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Originally Posted by TheHeathens

You can't define it because it's subjective; your idea of white may differ from Nikalas's (for example).

I would say it's the other way round: because you can't define black and white, everything is grey.

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If it is subjective then there can't be any grey either. Since human beings are quite capable of distinguishing and defining good from evil it cannot be subjective.

"Captain I can't believe he's dead!"
"Doctor...is this a dead man?"

Sorry I got that from Star-Trek.

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

Since human beings are quite capable of distinguishing and defining good from evil.

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So what is good and evil then?

Is it what the bible or the Koran tells us?
Is it what the laws of a country tell us (laws differ across countries)?
Is it what is generally accepted in society (one 'evil' thing in one society may not be in another - abortion for instance)?

We all live by our own rules with our own ideas about what is good and evil based on our upbringing, the society we live in, religion and the rules of the country amongst other variables.

Because of this, my ideas will differ from yours and yours will differ from Nikalas's, whose ideas will in turn differ from Noel's. Without uniformity, it's not possible to define good and evil or black and white.

We all have ideas which won't vary massively but with so many different variations on the definition of black and white, does that not make it grey?

But CL, there is so much in life that can not be categorised at either evil or not evil. Things such as the variety of things we have been debating on this thread. Issues of race, migration, gender, education, politics, etc.

I fear this good/evil debate is side-tracking us once again.

I've decided against trying to get back on thread, and am happy to run with this good/evil thing for a while.

CL, please give your opinion on whether these things are good or evil. You're not allowed to pass, since you say all things can be defined as one or the other.

1. The NHS
2. Mobile phones
3. Marmite
4. Disqualifications for lack of kit in fell races
5. The current UK Government
6. The Geneva convention
7. Pol Pot (when he was in power)
8. Sperm whales
9. The book Captain Corelli's Mandolin
10. Windows Vista

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Originally Posted by noel

I've decided against trying to get back on thread, and am happy to run with this good/evil thing for a while.

CL, please give your opinion on whether these things are good or evil. You're not allowed to pass, since you say all things can be defined as one or the other.

1. The NHS
2. Mobile phones
3. Marmite
4. Disqualifications for lack of kit in fell races
5. The current UK Government
6. The Geneva convention
7. Pol Pot (when he was in power)
8. Sperm whales
9. The book Captain Corelli's Mandolin
10. Windows Vista

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This should be interesting but I can sense a barrage of irrelevance grenades being dispatched out of Hayfield as we speak.

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Originally Posted by noel

I've decided against trying to get back on thread, and am happy to run with this good/evil thing for a while.

CL, please give your opinion on whether these things are good or evil. You're not allowed to pass, since you say all things can be defined as one or the other.

1. The NHS
2. Mobile phones
3. Marmite
4. Disqualifications for lack of kit in fell races
5. The current UK Government
6. The Geneva convention
7. Pol Pot (when he was in power)
8. Sperm whales
9. The book Captain Corelli's Mandolin
10. Windows Vista

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Is he allowed to go into detail or is he limited to just 'good' or 'evil'?:D

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Originally Posted by Al Fowler

Is he allowed to go into detail or is he limited to just 'good' or 'evil'?:D

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Surely got to just be good or evil; we can eleborate on any of them later

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Originally Posted by Al Fowler

Is he allowed to go into detail or is he limited to just 'good' or 'evil'?:D

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Good question Al. Lets see what CL says on this.

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

...human beings are quite capable of distinguishing and defining good from evil it cannot be subjective.

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Fair enough.

My turn first


1. The Nhs - Good
2. Mobile Phones - Good
3. Marmite - Evil
4. Disqualifications For Lack Of Kit In Fell Races - Good
5. The Current Uk Government - Good
6. The Geneva Convention - Pass!!!!
7. Pol Pot (when He Was In Power) - The What?
8. Sperm Whales - Good
9. The Book captain Corelli's Mandolin - Never Read It
10. Windows Vista - Evil!!!

We've come a long way from the BNP to marmite and good old Capt. Corelli. Did that fella get that pea out of his ear? ;)

I await Christopher's responses with interest