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Well I completed my first Fellsman and manged a time of 13h 35m - only thanks to some great support from Simon Bourne to Blea Moor and then on the second half from Robin (No.118). The pair of us then got grouped with Nicky Spinks and Tim at Park Rash leading to a quick last 10 miles just when I had my eyes set on 14hrs. It was an excellent group and Robin and I had to dig deep to stick with the pace - I'm so glad I did when I got to the finish in that time.
I suffered for a lot of the day in the wind, being 6ft 4in doesn't help and had blurred/clouded vision for the last 20 odd miles but well worth the effort.
Feet up today, eating and icing down a broken toe - why do you never feel these till the day after!
Congrats to all those that got round either to Threshfield or to the enforced finishes elsewhere on the course.
Finally huge thanks to the organising team, marshalls and volunteers - everything done with a huge smile and the greatest support.
That was the single toughest thing that I have ever done! The wind was biting and as soon as the sun went down it was absolutely freezing. There was snow coming down at Fleet Moss and Great Whernside nearly did for me. My huge thanks to all the organisers for their amazing work and cheerfulness and also to the three people that I teamed up with. Andy led us through the night section like a pro and I probably wouldn't have finished if it wasn't for his navigation skills. So sorry for all those that had to retire due to the conditions and those that didn't make it past Park Rash before the event was cancelled. We heard just as we arrived at Capplestone gate and the marshalls radioed ahead to makes sure we could finish. I'm chuffed to bits to have made it round. Stolly will no doubt post later but he pulled out at Cray due to the onset of hypothermia. Fortunately he was examined by the doctor, warmed up by the staff and fed saucepans of lifesaving rice pudding so that he was fit and well again when he met me at the finish. A huge well done to everyone that took part!
Oh yes...I am having trouble walking, bending, sitting, getting up/down the stairs...my quads are shot!!!:o
Well done Hes. Tremendous effort.
Of the 18 Fellsmans I've now completed, that has to be by far the coldest. I've had some pretty rough ones over the years, but I don't think I have ever been so cold. I couldn't warm up at all. Even a determined walk up Great Whernside did not generate any heat. I can understand why people got hypothermia, and was probably not far off myself. I know grouping is for safety reasons, but everyone still has to take personal responsibilty and in conditions such as those experienced you get into survival mode. One guy with us had a Petzl Tikka for his torch, which may be OK round the camp site, but up there when you NEED to see where you were going, it was useless. Consequently, we had a lot of standing around in the freezing conditions waiting for him. There weren't too many groups behind as we got through Park Rash before it was abondonned. But the worst point was that 900 metres before Capplestone CP, we waited for him at the stile, and then continued to the CP. We were only walking and he should have been with us but wasn't, and we had to wait 30+ minutes in the freezing conditions before he materialised. We were all getting varying degrees of shudders while we were waiting. The CP staff just told him to get in their tent and sent us on our way. I eventually finished in 19:43 and was my slowest time for many years. I've just about thawed out, but blimey that was a cold one.
Tough conditions the last 20 miles was cold and windy. Not sure of time or place maybe around 15hrs 30ish. Bit slower than last year.
Well, what can I say to the Fellsman?!! What an adventure...the wind really took it out of me all day. I wanted to give up at Fleetmoss when I couldn't stop shivering, but got with Andy Crag Rat and Hester and so off we set across 'The Somme' not at all that bad really. It was from Cray onwards that it became a case of survival. Couldn't have asked for a better group of people to be with - Andy you were an absolute star, and what a small world it is! I could start analysing my time etc, but this was an exception yesterday, just very very glad to have got round and been allowed to finish. Couldn't believe it when the marshalls told us at Capplestone that the race had been stopped, so thank you for letting us continue to race to the bitter end.
A huge thank you to all the organisers and marshalls and refreshment people along the route, brilliant food!
I hope all the casualties are starting recover and not too traumatised after their ordeals.
Well done Twinkletoes:thumbup:
Something similar happened to us a couple of years ago - half the group carried on but 2 of us waited at the checkpoint for him to catch up. The fault was ours though, not his - the point of grouping is to stick together at the speed of the slowest, and if they'd applied the rules strictly, we'd have been disqualified.
Felltrack here
Not sure if it's fully updated yet but gives you an idea of times and retirements
well i had a nap on the setee when i got home i buggerd. hats off and a big thank you to the check point staff and hq staff so freindly and supporting sat on top of those hills stationary must have been every bit as cold as us on hills. met nicky spinks at breaky ,what a nice lady . i agree that wind was very cold and strong. the ground froze after mid nightish and even got to throw a couple of snow balls on gt whernside from the old snow fields. went well upto the grouping then had slow down alittle with the group but got someone who knew most of route. we got over fleetmoss and middle tongue in the light and didnt need torches until after hell gap but then the wheels fell off for one of us. still was happy to get round and ended with 18:20something so probably crossed paths along the line hes. didnt get cold personally as i had enough kit but did see a lot of cold people in thin jackets. it was only the second time ive ever had to run in my waterproof bottoms . hope everyone had a good day out and got down safe. im still deciding wether to class it as enjoyable at the moment :thumbup:
Felltrack won't work for me either
Sorry mate but that's a bit of a shocker; you've only got yourself to blame for your 30+min wait. You're right that he should have been better equipped but you lots should have managed it better; kept him in the middle of a close group, nominated a sweeper and rotated the lead.
People are far too cavalier about the grouping system; perhaps the organisers need to lay down the law a bit more about just how to behave in a group. This guy (or any other runner) could easily have tripped and brained himself; you would never have found him and he'd probably be dead right now.
My group consisted of myself (novice) and three guys with over 30 fellsmans between them. As a result they knew the route well and we made good progress. Even so, I still had to restrain the lead runner from stretching the group out too much. It's easy to see runners with head torches on but if they trip and break their torch, suddenly they are an invisible casualty in a featureless landscape.
this seems to work on W7 and chrome;
www.davedriver.co.uk/felltrack/
Sorry to hear you pulled out mate, it was nice to chat to you on the way down from Ingleborough. You weren't making bad time but carrying on with that injury would not have been big or clever bearing the conditions in mind. Still look, they got our best side - http://www.sportsunday.co.uk/fellsman-10401#photo lol
Walked from Dent with and got grouped with cefn_dave of this parish and what a nice chap he is too. Draughted a strong team over Fleet Moss which made things much easier than they could have been. Saw friends who were at the Snaizeholme checkpoint which was a boost. We got withdrawn upon reaching Cray at 3:30am. Lots of hypothermic cases there. One of our group lost his sight almost totally on the approach to Hell Gap so I had to walk him hand in hand the nearly 2 miles down into Cray. Was gutted I couldn't carry on as I was feeling OK. Still had a great time - hope folk from our team and everyone else are OK.
JP
Sorry to hear you pulled out mate, it was nice to chat to you on the way down from Ingleborough. You weren't making bad time but carrying on with that injury would not have been big or clever bearing the conditions in mind. Still look, they got our best side - http://www.sportsunday.co.uk/fellsman-10401#photo lol
Walked from Dent with and got grouped with cefn_dave of this parish and what a nice chap he is too. Draughted a strong team over Fleet Moss which made things much easier than they could have been. Saw friends who were at the Snaizeholme checkpoint which was a boost. We got withdrawn upon reaching Cray at 3:30am. Lots of hypothermic cases there. One of our group lost his sight almost totally on the approach to Hell Gap so I had to walk him hand in hand the nearly 2 miles down into Cray. Was gutted I couldn't carry on as I was feeling OK. Still had a great time - hope folk from our team and everyone else are OK.
Hey, you can even tell I'm limping in the photo!
Bad luck being withdrawn. It says something that you can still write "Had a great time"! What a strange breed we are!
Hiya Dogbreath, it was nice to meet you at the start. I've got to admit that I agree with the other's comments about letting one of the group become 30minutes apart! I also ran with a Petzl Tikka headtorch and, whilst I am the first to admit its not as good as a lot of the great headtorches people had, it was perfectly adequate for the job and I ran easily with it as I always do when I'm doing a headtorch run. I suspect it was the person's confidence generally, tiredness, the cold and perhaps inexperience that meant he was lagging behind a lot? Our group got strung out on a number of occasions. Myself and another member of the party were weaker than the other two but we were never totally out of sight and if that was a likelihood, one person or another would shout out for the front runners to wait. It also meant that the two of us who were struggling looked out for each other and the stronger two kept us pushed on. I think that in conditions like that it was really important to crack on and keep moving as fast as possible but if one person falls behind, that person can easily get demoralised and drop off even more, so a sweeper and a bit of kindness might have prevented that and your 30minute wait.
I hadn't realised that I was running with Twinkletoes until now but would just like to say thank you for being a great team mate and for all the encouragement when I was suffering badly with the cold, feeling sick and mashed quads. Crag Rat was a brilliant navigator and I can't thank him enough for getting us all safely back and choosing some great routes.
thanks protodoc if i can help i will mate. we had a chief navigator and a sweeper in our group of 5 with one of suffering. on the top of buckden pike we caught group at the check point and they took off sharpish and left a member !!!! he tagged on with us for 5 -10 mins untl we caught them again he was a bit unsure what to do for the best and there torches were out of sight when we set off after them. if they'd have taken adifferent line or he had he would been on his own and we got hit with a hail shower in the chase too. poor form in book. when your put into a group its a team effot from then on and you get each other through the lows. ive had the same type grouping on long mynd and it can make or break your expeirence and have always been lucky to date as i think most people enter into the spirit of the event. personally i make sure im self suffuceint gear and nav wise and if i was ever left like that i dont think id be happy or chase them down but let them explain it at the next check point.and if they had to wait further along the line then its down to them.
Well now that todays activities are over and I have a little more time on my hands I would like to say a big thanks to the Fellsman staff for a great event and some lovely catering at the check points. It is a shame that I never got to meet or chat to any forumites (not that I know anyway). Congratulations to everyone for attempting the event with the weather and forcast as it was and was and fingers crossed you are all home safe and well having warmed up.
I found it quite interesting when I caught a conversation in the school hall by one of the organisers/helpers saying that they had got the grouping time wrong and it should have been at least 30 minutes later.
We would love to be able to get everyone who retires transported immediately, we are constantly working to make this as slick as we can. Unfortunately one of the minibuses "went tech". Somehow the bus co-ordinator managed to rustle up a 29 seater which helped the operation, but these were extreme circumstances. We hope we didn't let you down. We tried very hard not to.
I wasn't supposed to publicise the link, when I posted it before I was a bit premature and did it without committee agreement, sorry. However, it's out there isn't it, so I'll let you know that the actual link is http://felltrack.fellsman.org.uk/
I must stress that any times listed are NOT official, they are subject to amendment and they do not take account of waiting time or other adjustments. Also this event turned out to be a little unusual and we still need to finalise the arrangements of how the results for compulsorily withdrawn entrants will be treated - hence some possible inconsistencies in what you see in FellTrack.
well my first fellsman, and a great experience! Can't praise the organisation and marshalls enough, it was a brilliant event to be part of.
Grouping worked really well for us gt whernside was definitely not a place to be by yourself this morning!
There were indeed some heroes. I was at Cray with one of my friends, an event helper who is a trained first responder. An entrant there was suffering from possible hypothermia, and my friend sprang into action to give her the immediate treatment she needed, a very impressive spectacle. We didn't wait for a minibus, we got her back by car, and she was doing OK by the time we arrived back at Threshfield. This same friend of mine was also in a group that in the early hours went by foot to Capplestone Gate to treat another entrant who had been discovered, alone, virtually blind, and walking in the opposite direction. Many people never made it to bed last night, and I felt a little guilty about retiring to my comfy caravan for a sleep, possibly in excess of three hours.
Nice write up here:
http://blogs.sandomenico.org.uk/2012...nothing-fatal/
Brilliant, brilliant event in incredible weather. That wind was just brutal all day long. Unfortunately I had to retire at Cray after 45 miles because I had what I thought was probably the beginnings of hypothermia; at the Hell Gap CP just before Cray my vision was completely blurred and I had trouble speaking anything but dribble to the tally hole puncher. When I'd trotted down to the tent in Cray I was completely starving and had (no kidding) two saucepans full of rice pudding mixed with fruit cocktail but I just couldn't get warm and became very sleepy and groggy. Dropping out seemed a sensible move. Even if I had recovered (what with the wide open wind battered tops of Buckden Pike of Great Whernside to come) I'd have been a real liability to any team I grouped with and I was wary of me having to then drop out and kill their race in the process. The guys at Cray were brilliant by the way - they made a right fuss of me wrapping me in blankets and foil survival blankets and even gave me a hot water bottle. The race doctor happened to be there too and he gave me a good once over.
As for my race I think it died from self inflicted wounds to be honest. I started brilliantly and fairly whizzed to Dent (the 20 mile point) in 3 hours 55 minutes. Unfortunately though I lost my camera dropping down to Flinter's Gill and got side tracked reporting that to the Dent marshals and didn't take any proper food on board, just a couple of chocolate biscuits which I ate trotting off down the road (they were like trying to eat dust biscuits and I kept choking on them). All the same I was feeling strong all the way up the side of Whernside but this feeling died on me completely by the top of Blea Moor where my blood sugar seemed to fall through the floor. After dropping down through the woods (to get out of the fricking wind as best I could) I ate the best part of a snickers and felt much better and stopped properly to eat pasta and two slices of fruit cake in Stonehouse. After that I still only managed a trudge to the top of Great Knoutberry but, by the time I got there, I was feeling good again and ran in good nick all the way to Redshaw.
At Redshaw though I made another food error and just walked out with a hot dog and, although the hot dog itself was okay, I couldn't chew the bread down into anything swallowable and had to spit it out. I was still running strong though and got to the top of Dodd Fell in good order............ only for the cold to really get to me for the first time. I'd been running in two long sleeve tops but my bottom layer, one of those tight paunch hugging thermals, was probably to become the bane of my run. At this point I'd been out a long time exposed to the elements and I was feeling chilled to the bone - I should have put my wind proof on there and then but I delayed doing this until I'd dropped off the hill. I then put on my wooly hat, changed into my seal skin gloves and put on my wind proof. By the time I reached Fleet Moss I was warm but starting to feel another bonk coming on. At this point though I'd reached Fleet Moss (say 38 miles in) after 8.5 hours and a 15 to 16 hour finish was still on the cards.
I ate a delicious jam roll at Fleet Moss and had a mug of soup too and felt much better again. Here though I made another mistake. Wary of getting cold again I added another layer, my waterproof on top of my wind proof on top of my running top, on top of my thermal. I ran the stretch to Deepdale really well and was very warm to boot. Then the guy I'd hooked up with at that point unfortunately made a 'slight' detour to his cunning plan to get on the quad bike tracks to the Middle Tongue checkpoint but we found them after a bit of wading through the tussocks and again were able to run quickly to the CP. After that though it became the beginning of the end for me - my pal vamoosed and I was left on my tod just taking an eastward line, mainly walking, through tussocks head on into the wind and I started to chill very very fast. My energy levels also starting dropping quickly too and I was very, very hungry. Ironically adding the extra layer had made me sweat and the thermal kept that clammy sweat close to my body and while walking I just went from hot to fricking frozen in no time. The 2 or 3 miles to Hell Gap were absolute hell and I knew I would be struggling to be able to continue at Cray as I'd used up all my layers.
In hind sight wearing the thermal next to my skin was a massive mistake as I know that I'm an easy sweating :) type of person and sweat gone cold is something I've suffered from many times before. Having another replacement layer in my rucksack would have been perfect but I didn't have one. Nor had I been able to pair up with anybody else to that point which, if nothing else, would have helped on the morale point of view. So having reached Cray and wolfed down my first saucepan full of rice pudding and found myself getting colder and colder I pulled the plug on my race. And almost certainly avoided what could have been a very sticky end in the hills.
Fantastic day out though.......
EDIT: Oh and well done Hes for completing her first (of many ;) ) Fellsman. Not just a normal Fellsman either but a Fellsman with nobs and a half on!
Just picking up on this point from P161 of this thread - like AndyA I'm quite shocked about this comment. Do we not think that point 6c in the rules is there for a reason ??
"Failing to maintain compact groups ... will result in disqualification of the WHOLE group"
Yes, the conditions on Gt Whernside and Buckden Pike were desperate and yes, we all felt way too cold but that's no need to leave one member of the team 30+ minutes behind. Like AndyA I ran with a Petzl Tikka (mine was probably the brightest in our group !) and it was perfectly adequate.
I don't understand why they inforce the kit checks so rigorously when something like this is overlooked. Compact groups should be mandatory, sorry - it's for the safety of ALL competitors and not just those who have got some life in their legs.
Not sure about some of the times on the Felltrack link as it is showing me not getting to Fleetmoss until nearly 8pm, Igot there at 6.50 and got away before the grouping thing started...
Well done all, it sounds like a truly grim day on the hill.
Good write up Stolly. It's a good reminded about the importance of athletically eating on ultras. Food food food. Well done for having the sense to pull the plug, it's always a hard decision.