UKA and FRA sanction first fell race in England..... Lowther Trail & Fell Race, sunday 9th August... staggered starts of 6 at a time.
Not sure how much of a bona-fide race it is (not wanting to do it any injustice).... but it's promising.
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UKA and FRA sanction first fell race in England..... Lowther Trail & Fell Race, sunday 9th August... staggered starts of 6 at a time.
Not sure how much of a bona-fide race it is (not wanting to do it any injustice).... but it's promising.
It's an *ahem* CL....
It’s got three miles of the devils black stuff 😬
Don't think I've ever done a "C" race...
As I suspected, it's not exactly Wasdale then... But the fact both FRA and UKA sanctioned a race would appear to bode well for future races...
I have seen various other statements from English races due for the autumn, that unless government guidelines are re-tightened, they are looking good for going ahead... And heard similar even sooner in other areas...
No need for any snobbery, if itÂ’s the same route that I did in 1998 and 99 I remember it as a pleasant run out. In those days it was on a Friday morning before the show so that meant it wasnÂ’t a big entry.
All in all a nice day out
CL made me think of the forumite, not a race category
Fully marked 13 mile route with about 1400ft of ascent. The route has about 3 miles of tarmac. £14 to enter.
Welcome back to "fell" running
Any race is tough if you work hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
I reckon the National Cross Country is tougher than some fell races.
Some track races are as painful as anything I've done on the Fells (albeit shorter-lived). Steeplechase :mad:
BOFRA races were the toughest.
Speed off the line.
100% up the hill.
100% on the down.
Back to the start and totally knackered.
and we've had a few tough Northern XC Champs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
I doubt you know Sherdely Park St Helens, but the Northern there (in 2004 if I remember correctly) was just off the scale.
Mud, mud, mud and back then the U20 Men had to follow the senior men so I don't envy what they had to contend with.
Think of the Alton Towers National a few years back, but worse.
Many have said that the last Northern at Witton was comparable. The ground was already a bit heavy but mid way through the programme we had a 20 minute hailstorm, which the woman raced on, melted it all and mushed up the ground big time for the senior men.
I was the RO that day so didn't run, but it certainly looked a grim one.
Witton normally recovers very quick from a XC. Within 2 weeks you struggle to see the line the runners have taken. Some of the ground was still damaged after 6 months and had to be repaired.
Probably the first Northern at Knowsley Safari Park edges it for me. 6-8" of fresh snow overnight. My daughter was an U20 Fell international, a outside chance for a medal and was first up on fresh snow - she dropped out - very rare for her.
By the time the men ran, it was 12km of pure slush.
One guy ran in wellies!
Dave Norman was taken to hospital and treated for frostbite.
It was incredible seeing the winner Steve Vernon float across it as he lapped me :D
No need to be a "pillock". If you don't like the race don't do it "simple"Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
I have done the Lowther Trail 13 miler a couple of times. It is a pleasant route covering terrain not normally seen otherwise - some good views, and well away from crowds. The river crossing is interesting, given that there is a bridge - out of bounds - about 50 metres away; after the river crossing is a short challenging section that I find is the only unrunnable part of the route. A decent low key event that I would normally be happy to do again - but not with the current restrictions.
A variety of options based on this used to be the Lowther half marathon, run in conjunction with Lowther horse trials. As it was called a half marathon it attracted road runners in pristine smart kit. After the first mile or so (and a steep climb out if the village) the tarmac ran out and the route followed a muddy track, often wet, often liberally covered in horse poo. Very amusing to see the reactions of some!Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
I used to do it in the 80s and I still run around that area quite often - if you carry on you can go to High Street and beyond. It's a nice area and a good bad weather option.
Unfortunately i don't know that venue... the furthest North i've raced XC is Wollatton in Nottingham for the Nationals and Midlands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
The great Alton Towers race is talked about at our club in legendary tones every year the XC comes round though.
Parliament Hill is a goodun'.... and Wollatton earlier this year was probably the toughest XC course i've ran over.
We've got a course down here in the Birmingham League at Leamington Spa that for XC is quite hilly. One adverse-camber downhill about 50 metres long, even that was throwing people out... as anyone on here who's raced me will testify, i'm no crack-descender, but even that tricky downhill i could make up 10 places with ease... there were people who finish well up from me (so presumably they can run 5km in around 17mins) having to walk the main uphill...
Hopefully we get some XC this year!
http://www.tynebridgeharriers.com/20...championships/Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
A little taste of the 2016 Northern at Witton I was on about :D
That looks fairly similar to the Nationals this year... i.e most unpleasant!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
More than four million people in Greater Manchester, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Rossendale, Bradford, Calderdale and Kirklees will be affected by the tightening of restrictions.
What's the common denominator between these areas and Leicester?
They're full of slovenly northerners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
In effect we have a taste for the last 4 months of what communism would be like.
Telling you who you can see, when you can work, where you can work, where you can walk, run, cycle, travel, holiday...
Snitches grassing you up to the party if someone visits your house, or you go within 2 metres of someone they think you shouldn't have.
We already had a degree of it anyway. The state has already sequestrated you. They own you, your money, your labour, your assets. They allow you to keep what they feel you need, but don't be under the illusion that you own any of it. They can take 10% more of your income in tax tomorrow. They tell you when you can be treated for an ailment, where you can be treated, which school your kids go to, when they go, what they are taught....
Freedom. About the only real freedom we have is going out for a run. As long as they allow us.
Great Post and 100% true.
Government in this country have never had so much power.
And your spot on about snitches, half the population will grass you up for lowering a face mask with in 2 metres of the door.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
I can remember a clever bloke telling me several decades ago when I was just a spotty youth that we live in a country where the powers that be tell us (Dictate) that we live in a FREE COUNTRY and he went on to tell me that we will spend the rest of our lives being told (Dictated to) what we can and can`t do and TBH nothing has changed over the decades and that fella also pointed out that the joke is on us the ordinary citizen, how very true those words of wisdom have proved to be over the years.
It looks like we might be closing pubs so that we can open schools. Yet there are so many things we can do that are effective and cost nothing - distance properly, wear a mask, face away from those nearby, avoid talking/shouting when others are near. A typical example - a long narrow path, no realistic way to step off it, retreat by either party is asking a lot as it is quite a distance - the walkers beckon me/call me forward, whilst standing still. Yet they still face me as I pass, and often say well done or something similar when I am next to them. Face away, keep quiet! I of course will be holding my breath, but that is quite hard work when moving on rough terrain. And the group on a road, asked to move to one side, move to both sides, thus halving the distance we could have kept between us. As to crowded beaches - WTF!
My concern when the schools reopen fully is the false alarms.
Since lockdown started my son has not had a cold, cough,sore throat or sniffle. In normal times I could guarantee that he would have at least one of those shortly after the start of every half/full term.
When he goes back he, like all other children, will be picking up minor ailments and passing them on to family members.
I think that many people will naturally jump to conclusion that it is coronavirus, there will be panic measures taken, and we will be back in lockdown faster than you can say Jack Robinson!
Meanwhile Public Health England continues to inflate Covid-19 deaths by including people who have tested positive sometime in the past but who have since recovered from it. You would expect deaths in hospital to be the majority of cases but they are becoming a small minority
https://twitter.com/RP131/status/128...974850/photo/1
There was supposed to be an urgent review into this when the scandal broke a few weeks ago but this all seems to have gone quiet. To begin with I assumed the inflating of covid death figures was just incompetence on the part of PHE but now I wonder if the reason is more sinister.
I don't know whether to be angry, appalled or bemused.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Analysis has shown that the figures used to close down thee North have been skewed by delayed test results.
Between 22/7 and 29/7 they have 659 cases to 753 - up 16.7%
But when judged by date of test taken it drops from 641 to 442, a drop of 31%.
There is also the effect of increase tests which have increased by over 10% in the last week of July.
Add in the ONS dodgy guestimate.
13/7 to 19/7 the ONS predicted that 27,700 were infected in England. That is from 45 positive tests in a sample size of 114,674
20/7 to 26/7 the ONS predicted that 35,700 were infected in England. That is from 59 positive tests in a sample size of 116,026
14 extra cases and they bring the whole north back a step. Not only that, the data they used showed the North West as being one of the lowest incidences - East Midlands and London among the highest.
Public Health England’s (PHE) own surveillance based on positive tests reported that cases in England increased from 4,062 to 4,130 in the week ending July 26 - a rise of just 1.6 per cent. According to ONS figures the rise was closer to 28 per cent.
Let's cut them some slack. Let's say through July the rate of infection had been rising. That should be coming through in to hospitals by the end of July.
In the final weeks of July the number of CV patients occupying critical care beds halved from 142 to 71.
We are living under the Blob.
I want to know why hospital admissions with Covid are so low they don’t even show on the graph. Pubs have been open for a few weeks, everybody has either been marching for one thing or another, or to the beach, or celebrating religious festivals, having illegal raves, house parties, holidays. The shielders have ventured out. Why aren’t admissions going up? If loads of people get it, but don’t need to go to hospital, does it actually matter?
I heard you the first time :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Wetherby whaler
The latest one is that there's a likely second wave that could be more severe than the first.
Prof Stephen Holgate, a respiratory specialist from University Hospital Southampton NHS Trust, who chaired the report, said: "This is not a prediction - but it is a possibility.
Asked to model a "reasonable" worst-case scenario, they suggest a range between 24,500 and 251,000 of virus-related deaths in hospitals alone, peaking in January and February.
Neil Ferguson
News at Ten
COVID HQ - Blackburn
I'd hate to see an unreasonable worst case scenario!
I think the answer to that question is that the actual incidence of Covid is not going up yet. What has gone up is the number of tests so more people are being picked up as having the virus than they were before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetherby whaler
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-...ing-heres-why/
Thanks all and agree with what you said, sorry for repeating myself. I just would have thought there should be increased hospitalisation by now, given all the dire warnings after VE Day etc and there aren’t and no-one in authority has explained why, even though we can all see it. If hospitals can cope, why not just let those who want to mix, mix, and those who feel a bit vulnerable and want to avoid everyone, avoid everyone? If it looks like the NHS will be stressed again then put some restrictions in. But at the moment I feel like I am having “wolf” cried at me every day and it is getting a bit old. And virtue signallers can’t wait to blame pubs.
I'm all for sensible precautions. The virus has clearly not gone away as can be seen by the spikes in other countries. It may well be that we see an increase here too soon, especially in Autumn. But there seems to be a knee jerk reaction in some quarters to an apparent uptick in cases, when the evidence so far suggests that this is down to more testing, not more prevalence. If that wasn't so then we would be seeing an increase in hospital admissions right now. As shown here, they are continuing to fall.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare
As usual we target a majority to solve a problem instead of going to the minority (sauce of problem)
Its weak management.
Come on Stagger, you know that minorities are above reproach.
If that's true, can we have another vote??Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
Can’t have a vote over half the population, don’t know how to vote! They have only just taught 78% how to wash there hands..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Most people appeared happy that the majority won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Would anyone consider the theory that it's older people who have been brought up in a culture of shaking hands, cuddling, kissing/licking when greeting each other that tend to be more affected???
Cuddling, Kissing, Licking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I think it might be a touch too hot for you in Turkey, Stagger!
37° in the shade today.
Plenty of fluids required of different tastes.
Beware the cuddlers kissers and lickers.
Looks like France will be next on the quarantine list but I'm sure the Border Farce will continue to welcome illegal immigrants with open arms.
Come on Boris, get a grip or put Nigel in charge!
You have got to use the 4* hotels for something now we are working from home.