Brexit

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

Not very simple

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It might not be for you, but it is for those that do it.

What isn't simple is when you've invested years of time and money in developing a supply chain for the customers of your multi-million pound business and then a body of governance throws you under a bus for political ends.

Companies are well able to manage the standards required by the customers market, they are well able to handle tariffs, customs documentation etc.

But chuck in 98% anti-dumping duty, or a quota limit on a particular product as of midnight tonight and then it's not very simple.

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Originally Posted by Stagger

Moan moan moan.

Just like the media and journalism.

Sometimes in life you don't get your own way.

So you have to make the best of whats in front of you, and get on with life.

Not throw the teddies out and sulk.

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Read back what you just threw your teddy out and moaned about :). I’m not moaning at all - I’m just pointing out what bollocks you come up with all the time and am quite enjoying myself too

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

It might not be for you, but it is for those that do it.

What isn't simple is when you've invested years of time and money in developing a supply chain for the customers of your multi-million pound business and then a body of governance throws you under a bus for political ends.

Companies are well able to manage the standards required by the customers market, they are well able to handle tariffs, customs documentation etc.

But chuck in 98% anti-dumping duty, or a quota limit on a particular product as of midnight tonight and then it's not very simple.

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Look at the big picture - when we were a member of the EU we had a trade agreement with 27 European countries and, through the EU, benefited from 41 other trade agreements affecting 72 other countries. Right now we’re losing all that and have one replacement trade agreement, with Japan ��

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

Look at the big picture - when we were a member of the EU we had a trade agreement with 27 European countries and, through the EU, benefited from 41 other trade agreement effecting 72 other countries. Right now we’ve lost all that and have one replacement trade agreement, with Japan ��

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You say "benefited" others might say restricted.

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Originally Posted by Llani Boy

You say "benefited" others might say restricted.

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"Others" being complete nut cases yes

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Originally Posted by Fellbeast

"Others" being complete nut cases yes

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Must feel great being right all the time and full of your own self importance.

The majority voted out, so you minority have to live with that decision.

You might not like it but that's democracy.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

You can ask, but you've provided the evidence yourself, so no need to.

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I provided a link to evidence of what proportion of people who voted for the SNP voted to leave the EU in the referendum. (Note - the EU referendum took place over 4 years ago.) Some people might think that pretty weak evidence to support your claim that "a lot of SNP voters are Brexiteers" - not least because 'my' evidence related to those people who voted Leave and were SNP voters 4 years ago whereas you were referring to the current situation. A lot of things can change in 4 years, such as the UK actually leaving the EU. But even leaving that claim aside, you made two other claims for which I haven't seen any supporting evidence. Namely, "a lot are not actually pro Independence" and "they certainly aren't pro independence and then join the EUers". Would you care to provide any evidence to support either of those two claims? (I think it's your use of the word 'certainly' that makes me think you must be aware of some pretty strong suporting evidence which, for some unknown reason, you're keeping to yourself.)

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Originally Posted by Stagger

Must feel great being right all the time and full of your own self importance.

The majority voted out, so you minority have to live with that decision.

You might not like it but that's democracy.

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Brexit has happened Stagger, deal with it :). Whats not happened though is a trade agreement after next January with the UK's biggest and nearest trading block. The only possible basis that Brexit makes any sense at all on is if we can get the full cake and eat it version, you know the one promised by Boris... and the one that has ever had a hope in hell.

The complications of Northern Ireland in all of this and the reasons why we can't leave an exclusive club, but somehow still fully retain all of the benefits, are nothing new - they've been around for yonks its just that Boris seems to have ignored them. Now he's between a rock and a hard place

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Originally Posted by Flem

I provided a link to evidence of what proportion of people who voted for the SNP voted to leave the EU in the referendum. (Note - the EU referendum took place over 4 years ago.) Some people might think that pretty weak evidence to support your claim that "a lot of SNP voters are Brexiteers" - not least because 'my' evidence related to those people who voted Leave and were SNP voters 4 years ago whereas you were referring to the current situation. A lot of things can change in 4 years, such as the UK actually leaving the EU. But even leaving that claim aside, you made two other claims for which I haven't seen any supporting evidence. Namely, "a lot are not actually pro Independence" and "they certainly aren't pro independence and then join the EUers". Would you care to provide any evidence to support either of those two claims? (I think it's your use of the word 'certainly' that makes me think you must be aware of some pretty strong supporting evidence which, for some unknown reason, you're keeping to yourself.)

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If you want peer reviewed studies I'm going to disappoint.

"a lot are not actually pro Independence"
There is a significant group of voters that left Labour and vote for SNP even though they are unionists. In 2010 Labour lost a huge number to the SNP and although it is only my opinion, I think some SNP voters do not support independence.
At the 2014 indy ref, 14% of SNP voters opted to stay in the Union.
https://www.open.edu/openlearn/peopl...itical-parties

so I think it is fair to say what I did. You can quibble over "a lot" but 14% at the indy ref 1 was a lot.

"they certainly aren't pro independence and then join the EUers"
It's really linked to the first point that a descent rump of SNP voters supported Brexit.
If 36% voted for Brexit and want to leave the EU (accepting that figure will have moved since) and they might include the 14% that voted against Independence, but that still leave around 20%.
That would be circa 220% of SNP voters that maybe want Independence and not EU membership. They may want EFTA for example.

It's a very complex situation and with every year there will be swings backwards and forward.

If there is an Indy Ref 2 at some point, it will be interesting to see if having voted for independence the Scottish folk opt not to join the EU.

or you could look at some actual data...

recent polls, with 57% saying they'll vote SNP, more than twice the vote for any other party and 53% supporting a "yes" to independence vote.

In fact in the 16 polls about independence this year, only two have come out against (in both cases by 1%) and two were tied.

So yeah, sounds like the Scottish are really anti-independence.


Two months ago polls also suggested support for rejoining the EU was at 63%. And a few weeks ago, 67% were against leaving the EU, up from 62% in the referendum.

So yeah, sounds like the Scottish are really anti-EU.