This is probably the 5th year I've missed it too -I'm gonna join you Jodg next year - providing I'm not on holiday or we have a heatwave.............:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jodg
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This is probably the 5th year I've missed it too -I'm gonna join you Jodg next year - providing I'm not on holiday or we have a heatwave.............:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Manhar - haven't seen you in AGES!!! Well, since Mt Famine. You back with us, up & running yet? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manhar
Hmmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xerxes
Hmmm...;):eek:
Just quietly & conscientiously carrying out the physio Jodg - exercises / stretches. Am able to jog - well at least 10 yards or so but there is 1 exercise which I'm unable to do - heel raise on 1 leg using the crocked leg & this reminds me that I shouldn't get carried away just yet - may be back hopefully racing before Christmas.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Has anyone seen the results yet please?
Any results out yet? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Stagger
Mrs Stagger says THANKS;)
Just a general question/request for information, please.
Is this event suitable as a first 'L' distance event?
I've not got a lot of 'past-history'* yet to fall back on.
However, it's seemingly 'Catch 22';
You can't enter/race if you don't have the experience, but how do you get the experience without entering/ racing?
I've had a brief look, using the search function, & can't find the event (comments) mentioned in the forum
Suggestions/comments/encouragements solicited please.....
http://holmfirthharriers.com/events/HolmeMoss.html
Should I forget it for this year???
* This is just to give you some idea of my (so-called) 'performance' before you all tell me not to bother with the 'Moss' race;)
'Harriers verses Cyclists' (ridden '07, & '08. Run '09 @ 48:12)
'Cross-Bay Challenge' (half-marathon over sands of Morecambe Bay @ 1.42:52 - 51st/239)
2009 Bingley Show 'Trail-Race' (20:10 - 23rd/57)
'Trunce' (races 6 - 9 inclusive in 2009, races 1 & 2 in 2010, 'PB' of 31:13)
2010 'Stanbury Splash' (1.03:09 - 154th/298)
2010 'Ilkley Moor Fell-Race' (1.00:16 - 119th/215)
'On The Road' 10K 'PB' (2010 Wakefield Hospice 10k') = 43:56 - 193rd/1190)
Summary here
Just enter Rich.
You have as much right as anyone and there will be a big field so plenty to follow.
Just make sure you are trained up to be out 3 hours plus.
You are good middle standard on the shorter stuff so take the plunge.
ENJOY.
Thanks John & 'Stagger'
I can read this forum at work last night, but for some (security?) reason our systems won't let me log-in to respond to anything.
Looking at Johns link, that appears to be a fair old clamber up Laddow Rocks, but as you ('stagger') said, there'll be others to follow & appraise their route.
I'll consider it properly over the next few days
Richard just get on and do it! i did coniston at the weekend and finnished last, if i thought about it i would not do anything being at the back but if you dont do it you cant get any better, you are fit and healthy have great cycling fitness (i know you work too hard and dont train much) and a much better runner than me, plenty of people to follow...........
caren
tha'll be reet - as they say round there
seriously, the Pennines in July don't hold much threat for anyone with a bit of common sense and a map they can read
if you're fit enough to get round in a decent time, I wouldn't worry too much.
Two out of the last 3 years have had the clag down and driving rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo
The other was baking hot.
Map reading is paramount.
Stagger's right. Don't underestimate this tough race. Its a proper AL
Ahh, but the important word is 'finished'Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs crabbers
Congratulations!
Fit?, healthy??, me??Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs crabbers
It certainly doesn't feel that way walking out of the door at about 04:50 to set off running to work, more like lunacy!:confused: (but, that's what I'll be doing tomorrow morning, riding bike there this afternoon)
And, I won't be feeling very fit, if I get to Keighley tomorrow evening for the first of the Yorkshire Cyclo-Cross Association 'summer series' races
Having said that, there's plenty (ie: the overwhelming majority) of my collegues who consider me stark-raing bonkers for running/riding to work every day, when there's 2 perfectly good cars here
(January = drive 3 times, but I was 'on-call' certain weeks. March = drove twice. April, = drove once!)
Well, there's only one way to find out, & as stated previously, there'll always (probably) be another runner to follow/'team-up' with for the remainder of the routeQuote:
Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo
Don't worry, I have the greatest of respect for 'the Moss', as I've been pedalled over it onto Woodhead, en-route to the Snake Pass plenty of times, & got caught out by the weather more times that I care to remember!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
(even, in the past, to the point of sheltering from the snow in that phone box on Woodhead, in the lay-by where Vals Butty Van used to be - then heading for home via Penistone)
Apologies for all the digressions away from the main topic above
The course changed last Year from Brummy John's summary, on the return you don't drop down to Yateholme res or Riding Wood Res but return by the outward and drop down into Ramsden Clough then climb up the hillside back to the track and road to the finish.
What a worrying approach to a taking on a very tough race. Richard wanted good advice not such an irresponsible reply. I did this race in the heatwave a few years ago when it was over 96 degrees and a lot of folk dropped out I'm glad I didnt do it in the clag.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo
oh come on, what an overreactionQuote:
Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker
there is nothing 'irresponsible' in what I said: with common sense and map-reading ability there is nothing that should scare someone with the requisite fitness off a race like this
fellrunning is about taking responsible for yourself: please credit Mr Thackeray with enough intelligence that he can do that. The info is there on the links posted with some suitably severe warnings.
If he judges that his map-reading - or general experience - isn't up to it, then I am sure he will decide not to enter. If he judges it is - then he shouldn't worry.
I think it more benefitial to offer encouragement than to scare people out of things by overplaying the dangers.
people need to get some sense of perspective
I live there mate and that is the worst point followed by a shite justificationQuote:
Originally Posted by ZootHornRollo
My advice, carry good kit, reccy and train hard for it and dont listen to the southerners ont forum unless its Roy he doesnt spout shite
Dont worry about anything...
Just do it, follow people and you'll be reet.
Its a 100% certainty that over that distance and just going to be in a cramp-ing mess...but what the hell.
Ive no idea where im going either, but since its and english champ there will be loads to follow - sounds irresponsable perhaps...but we all do it from time to time!
I didn't say follow anybody Al, please don't put words in my mouth.
You'd best set up a drip and start taking intravenous Nuuns asap Al :D I remember standing in a knee-deep bog eating jelly babies and wanting to cry the year I did it. Cakes were blinding mind. The thought of the coffee and tangerine number I had is making my mouth-water now :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Fowler
Oh no, i'll carry a gun with a single bullet in it then just incase :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Adrian I think it was the "off the cuff" remark that the peak is "easy" that got those replies. The peak is pretty featureless in places making harder to navigate than the lakes. The weather in any mountain enviroment can be extreme.
As you say though Richard will be ok but followng any one is a good way of finding out about others mistakes, I find it best to learn from my own..:o
Off track you can be any where, There were 4 people in two incidents rescued from the PW (big path) over the weekend and there are walkers/ramblers constantly misplacing them selves. it's easy to do esp with complacancy. ;)
http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/local...6081-26364047/
Hope to be there myself
ive sent entry off for this, wondered how tough it was looking at the winners times.
"I remember standing in a knee-deep bog eating jelly babies and wanting to cry the year I did it."
Jelly babies, knee deep? You were lucky!
details of this year's race here
http://www.holmfirthharriers.com/events/HolmeMoss.html
and map here
http://www.holmfirthharriers.com/eve...Course2010.jpg
Over the hills and far away, there be a Fell Running "follower"
The trick is knowing who to follow, and who not to follow
Take a map!
Don't follow, other wise you have only yourself to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flightless Bird
Get the map, break the route in to managable sections and do some recce's.
Don't follow ... me!!
And if you do, don't complain!!
I think you would be one of those worth following....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudolph Hooker
Just got work out who you are amongst all the other old men....;)
There really is no substitute for knowing the route. The main bit to recce is the central Holme Moss, Crowden, Holme Moss section especially the Bareholme to Laddow route. Much of the rest of the route is flagged or pretty obvious but a good route over the Bareholme Laddow section can be the key to having a good run or a real crap one. Never underestimate the weather either, it may be July but I've done the race in thermals and gloves, that's why there are obligatory kit requirements.
As for following someone I've seen the clag so thick the flagged section became a navigational challenge and I know the route/area better than most. Carry a map and compass, know how to use them and be prepared to if necessary, don't follow someone, esp. if they are wearing an amber vest!
Blimey, this certainly drew a ...'mixed response'
I've still not decided, but I guess if the places are limited (& seeing as it's a championship event), I'd better send it off soon.
As for 'following someone', it may be more as case of using him/her as a 'depth-gauge' in the claggy bits - as someone may be doing with me;)
One good (or is it?) factor is that SWMBO & 'small-child' are away on holiday that fortnight, so I won't get any grief for making her wait at the Cricket Club, or in Holmfirth for ages
Good job she's not around, as it'll be a busy few days;
Mon July 5th = 'Trunce 6'
Tuesday 6th = 'Stoodley Pike' (Todmorden Harriers)
Not got handbook with me to look for Sunday 11th, but there's this...
http://www.abbeyrunners.co.uk/Races/eccup10.html
Sunday 18th = Holme Moss
I must get my entry in too. You will get mixed advice, an AL race like this is fine in good weather, can see dozens of runners ahead and if you're 3 and 4 hour fit. It's an entirely different matter if the ground's heavy, the clag is down and the wind is up. You could easily find yourself on your own and not quite sure which hill you're on, that's why the recces are a very good idea.
My cheque is in the post. Recce to follow, I'll take the Major, she was born in Holmfirth.
Agreed Ian, but a lot less extreme in July than in December or April.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
My point was not that the peak / pennines are less dangerous than other English mountains: you've got to be prepared for bad weather, and it might well be claggy and windy in July. But it's not the same as something like Tankys or Edale where if you do get lost in bad weather, the consequences - because of the cold - could be serious.
Hill experience is necessary for an AL like this, and a recce will help as always, but on that route you're never that far from a road or the Pennine Way and in midsummer you will probably have a bit of leeway to noodle about relocating yourself if you do take a wrong turn.
There are different levels of danger and July races are a lot less dangerous than winter ones.
But of course there are some stroppy adolescents around who know better.
If I enter this now, cos you can absolutely guarantee I'll get lost ....
Hypothermia kills more in summer than in winter....youi might be close to a road but with a broken or sprained ankle it can take a long time...use your head before spouting out ill informed shite pal
Richard I am at a similar level to you time wise and have not used a map for a few years. I did the Chew Valley Skyline (BL) in March which I clocked at 14m but I didn't look at the map once as the day was so clear I could always see runners ahead even though there were just a few more than 100. Holme Moss is further than I've run to date, I've never run an 'A' race before either but posted my entry today.
With a reccy, a few long runs between now & then and sensible map use I'm sure we'll be fine. Go for it mate!