I don’t blame you. If you left the forum it would be someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
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I don’t blame you. If you left the forum it would be someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
so.Quote:
you cannot leave any post of mine alone
You post stuff on an internet forum. Someone disagrees with it. This is apparently bad.
No, it's "maybe even hatred".
You're one of the most prolific "virus sceptics" on here and have a tendency post material which is questionable, defending it as "scepticism" whilst criticising those who disagree as "narrow minded". Then you try and shut down disagreement by suggesting it's "discourteous" or not polite. Whilst accusing people (and not just me) of being "trolls".
If you want to be controversial, people are going to disagree with you. If you want to be "sceptical" of something which is, quite literally, a matter of life and death, then you might expect people to react strongly. Flouncing off in a huff is not a victory, or validation of your views.
An article by someone whose daughter received a positive test result, after visiting an asthma clinic but not being tested for Covid. She seems legit, being a lawyer with presence on Linked In and Labour Home so not a made up troll.
There may be problems both ways with this “world beating” system. What to trust?
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/11/...-being-tested/
is this the story WP was trying to pass off as his own experience a few days ago?
The story seems like a case of poor communication to me: doctor suggesting pateint with asthma gets a C19 test to be sure, parents disagreeing and doctor suggesting self-isolation as protection against C-19. Doctors receptionist gets wrong end of stick and assumes positive test result as reccomendation was to self isolate? Dunno, it's all speculation, isn't it? Can see why the parents would be upset, but don't think it's a reflection of a "politicized agenda into the health care of children". Could it not just be a genuine mistake?Quote:
One of my nurse friends has just had a patient who was scheduled in at a local test centre on Monday. They failed to show.
Today they received a positive test result.
Work that one out.
wholeheartedly :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
:rolleyes:Quote:
From now on, I will not respond.
I won't be going anywhere Muddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
By the way fellow forumites - no more anecdotes. They are banned.
Not a high speed one, but a crash coming off the motorway in a Renault 4 (now you see why it wasn't high speed) and the brakes failed. Coming up to a three-lane roundabout. Had to put the car into a traffic light to stop it. Police attended. Wanted to know if the traffic light was OK....Quote:
You never forget your first high speed motorway crash
A Renault 4? Your modesty so becomes you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave_Mole
However based on my examination of the five cars I have seen destroyed after being driven into mine, my view is that the more metal you are surrounded by the more likely you are to step out and walk to the verge. :(
Used to drive Landrovers. Had a car go into the back of me. Thought something was odd, looked in the rear view and saw a red hatchback surrounded by glass. Pulled off the road to find a huge dent in the front of said hatch. Looked like a write-off.
Damage to the Landie? A bit of red paint on the tow hitch.....
That's a nice little scam you've got there, Graham. How much do you charge people to drive into your vehicle when they want to claim the insurance for a write-off? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
He's the originator of flash for cash
I used to live in an isolated house at the top of a hill by a sharp turn in the road. I once had a conversation with a car insurance inspector investigating a claim for a car that had allegedly left the road and been written-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonykay
I suggested that whilst that was feasible in terms of necessary trajectory, etc it was unlikely that I would not have noticed a destroyed car from my window, the field where sheep safely grazed might have shown traces of a sudden impact and the dry stone wall which would have been en route might have provided evidence of having been a barrier to progress.
The inspector thanked me for my help.:)
Just realised there are 226 pages of guff in this thread and as far as I can see none of you have solved the crisis yet:rolleyes:
No, but GB solved an Insurance scam!Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnK
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Originally Posted by JohnK
There is nowt to solve.
Its here to stay, be safe and sensible and get used to being oppressed by the government.
(This is a post from me free of both sarcasm and satire.)
I spent yesterday walking in the Brecon Beacons. On my way home I stopped for petrol at a petrol station with a Spar shop attached. It was on the outskirts of Cardiff, just before I joined the M4. Quite a busy little place, cars continually departing and arriving, people going into and out of the shop. (The pumps were 'pay in the shop' only.) There was not a single face mask in sight (apart from mine). Not one. It felt really quite weird, as though I'd gone back in time. I didn't realise at the time, but I checked it later at home, that face masks are not compulsory in shops in Wales (in general). They will be from Monday, though, because cases have been going up. Why on earth wait until cases are already increasing before implementing such a simple mitigation measure?
Even now that I know that masks aren't compulsory in Wales, I still find it quite incredible that, of all the people there (and there were quite a few), I was the only one wearing a mask. I said this shop/petrol station is on the outskirts of Cardiff, but, actually, it's closer to the centre of Caerphilly than it is to the centre of Cardiff. It must be really quite close (probably less than a mile) to the Caerphilly County Borough boundary within which, as I understand it, various restrictions, including the requirement to wear a face mask in shops, etc., were introduced a few days ago. The reason the restrictions were introduced, of course, is that there has been "a sharp and rapid increase in the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus" in the Caerphilly region. And yet, less than a mile away, not a single person was wearing a mask in that shop/petrol station. Furthermore, even though the shop had implemented a form of one-way system for people entering and leaving, the people there when I was there seemed to be paying no heed whatsoever to the concept of social distancing. None.
Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that Boris Johnson was talking about a significant return to normality in time for Christmas, and saying that we (i.e., in the UK) should all be "looking ahead with optimism"? I wish I had access to whatever substances he's on. And as for those people who say that everything would be fine if it was all left to individual responsibility - say what!?
If anyone is tempted to trust the Off Guardian website for their news and information (and I'm sure some are), might I suggest they also have a look at some of the websites which explain - or even prove - that the moon landings were faked and that the earth is nothing like being round. (I could suggest a few other topics that might interest you as well if you would like me to - there's lots of truth out there on the internet if you only know where to look.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetherby whaler
https://www.newsguardtech.com/wp-con...f-Guardian.pdf
I ended up with a prison sentence for that! Thanks a bunch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Thanks for that link. An excellent read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
The economy is still hurting, mental-health problems are growing, and educational futures have been curtailed, not because of some fearmongering overreaction, but because an uncontrolled pandemic is still afoot.
... exponential growth is counterintuitive, so “we don’t understand that things look fine until right before they’re very not fine,”
It can take a month for infections to lead to symptoms, for symptoms to warrant tests and hospitalizations, and for enough sick people to produce a noticeable spike. Pandemic data are like the light of distant stars, recording past events instead of present ones. This lag separates actions from their consequences by enough time to break our intuition for cause and effect. Policy makers end up acting only when it’s too late. Predictable surges get falsely cast as unexpected surprises.
I find Twitter often has news well before the mainstream media, and sometimes it never makes the mainstream media. I try not to only follow those that agree with my thinking. Challenge is good, though there is lots of rubbish and abuse out there. I only post occasionally, and only to those I know, though I "like" frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
I also found it different when I was in Wales a few weeks ago although I noticed that people seemed to be keeping more of a distance from each other than in mask wearing England.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flem
On another note I found it odd that the Welsh Health Minister, as you have, referred to Caerphilly County.
I was not aware that Caerphilly was a county and thought it was in the old county of Monmouth and latterly Gwent.
It is not a county, it is a newly named county borough formed in 1996 when, no doubt, a lot of empire building and wasting of money was taking place!
This is so important - masks/distancing cost so little/nothing - yet people are not doing them. Avoiding the virus is about avoiding people, and what is in their exhalations/coughs/sneezes and what is on their hands and what they have touched. Some public health advertisements along these lines would be so helpful. As to announcing measures that will start in a few days time - why not straight away??Quote:
Originally Posted by Flem
I am reading "Duty of Care" by Dominic Pimenta - even though I have an idea of what is coming it is really quite frightening to read things from his point of view.
...and people on here are posting videos of "sceptics" arguing that they don't work/had no effect on the course of the virus.Quote:
This is so important - masks/distancing cost so little/nothing - yet people are not doing them.
Dave, log off and go out and have a run today. If you can’t run go for a walk or a bike ride ;)
And for balance maybe Witton should too. As for stagger he should go for a very very very long run 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
They stated that it was to give people a chance (couple of days) to purchase masks if they didn't have them. Which makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
What you highlight firstly is the situation that has been created where differing parts of our country have different regulations. I don't think that is helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flem
Devolution was and remains a dog's breakfast.
I don't have an issue with masks - I have an issue with face coverings and to be clear it is face coverings that have been asked for.
To abide by the regulations I wear a buff. I have only once had to wear it for a long period when in a shopping centre in Nottingham a few weeks ago. It did get a bit warm. But mostly I wear it for nipping in the Post Office, the local convenience store etc. so only a few minutes each time.
There is some weak evidence that suggests wearing a mask in a public area, particularly indoors, may reduce the aerosol effect of an infected COVID person.
OK, accepted.
But there are also knock on consequences such as what Llani alluded to, which was some of those wearing a face covering seem to thing it offers a more significant level of protection than it does - they also seem to think it offers protection to themselves.
There are also possible knock-on consequences of face coverings. There is little evidence for the consequences, just as there is for the benefits.
But that doesn't mean to say they aren't realistic. You can imagine a child at school face covering on, then off in to the pocket, constantly touching it and the cloth could be capturing and accumulating pathogens that can then be transferred by touch.
So if you are pro face covering, that's fine. It's a reasonable position to take if you see that as erring on the side of caution.
I'm not. I tend to think the slim chance of any benefits is countered by the similarly slim chance of negative effects.
The HSE are fairly pragmatic.
Face coverings are not classed as personal protective equipment (PPE) as they:
are generally not manufactured to a recognised standard and not CE marked
do not provide a proven level of protection for work risks such as dust and spray
and they ask employers to support workers who choose to wear them.
One of the articles posted by Mike T yesterday was a great one in that it explained the benefits of ‘layering’ - masks alone isn’t the answer, social distancing alone isn’t, sanitisation etc etc. But taken altogether they are absolutely the right way to go.
That’s why masks are a good thing 🧐
On the flip side, and to show some balance, I also like this article from the Spectator:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...he-rule-of-six
Especially this quote:
“Our leaders amount to little more than a Dad’s Army of highly paid individuals with little or no experience of the job at hand.”
😊
Another great article here from yesterday’s Times regarding statistics and how they can be (mis)used by the government and others to suit the point they want to make
“Sir David Spiegelhalter: When a politician says they follow the science, that’s when I start screaming”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/s...ming-hqtl2pfgf
(Probably behind a pay wall but we’ll worth opting for the free trial to read)
I'll have a read later. Off for a walk on the hills with the wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
But MPs are only ever good - at best - at being politicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
If someone reads, say, for an engineering degree and spends decades practising engineering eventually they should know a lot about engineering.
If someone climbs the greasy pole in politics - all they know after decades as an MP, is politics.
I was just looking at the career of Ruth Kelly (my brother knows her well) who is now going to work for the Vatican. She held four Ministerial posts under Tony Blair - each for about a year (!), including Education and Transport. She read PPE at Oxford - and ended up determining the UK's Tranport policy: well for about a year.
Is it any wonder...?
I guess it’s especially true though of Boris’s motley crew. He bounced out of government/the party a huge raft of experience available to him and just brought in new comers that would sign up to his Brexit jihad 🙄
I’m definitely not a fan of the tories and, amongst other things, hate Brexit with a vengeance, the lies and exaggerations, the disregard for law and parliamentary protocol by Boris and Cummins (if it doesn’t suit their aims), their cronyism, their complete and utter lack of ability to govern and run things in anything like a proper way and, going back before this lot, a million other policies of the Tory party in general have introduced. (Other than that they’re great obviously 😊 )
They’re here to stay for a while yet though so I really really hope that the bit of the Tory party support that remains in anyway ‘normal’, flexes their muscles and gets Boris and co booted out. Rushi might be a better choice maybe 🤔
I once spent an evening chatting to a very senior civil servant about "Ministers he had served".Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Fascinating but horrifying.
Extinction rebellion for you beasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
Or some other meaningful rally.
Enjoy your day.
Elsewhere in West Yorkshire the ban on indoor household gatherings will continue in areas of Bradford where it is in place.
In Kirklees, the ban on indoor household mixing will continue in Dewsbury and Batley, and parts of Calderdale.
I wonder what is specific about these certain areas???
Similarly the areas in Lancashire with the small mill towns???
Does appear to be strange that only certain locations become hot beds. Maybe someone should have a serious look at the demographics of such places???
It mainly seems to be places with lots of fell runners. Blackburn, Pendle, Calderdale, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Yeah, but on a positive note, when Brexit goes completely tits-up with a no deal at the end of December and when the rest of the world sees that the Gvnt are a bunch of lying, rule breaking shysters, who you should never trust to sign a deal(trade or otherwise) with, then the ports will cease up, flights will be grounded, and the entire country will be fully locked down (a part from a trickle of sushi from japan)! Result! Every cloud... as they say. What's not to like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fellbeast
More! You do not have to give names.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze