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That's our Andy, full of sense:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ratfink
Let me know when you go, no promises but if I'm free happy to give you the tour.
If you head for Crowden you do do Blackhill in morning and back to car eat lots and then do Bleaklow in PM.
IDP
Posted entry.
Has anyone any route tips as it is has ben a little time since I last did this one, about 20 years :rolleyes:
think we are going to crowden sunday morning (think mrs stagger might be coming :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Read through some of the earlier pages of this thread, Route descriptions and the odd tip mentioned. the best way to discover is to to get out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bornagainfellrunner
I'm over Bleaklow tommorrow.
Next batch of lucky people, :D
101 Henry Keighley-Elstub M Tring RC
102 Chris Bagley VM Fat Boys
103 Howard Chambers VM Saddleworth
104 Mark Rochester M Tring RC
105 Roy Bradley VM Saddleworth
106 Alan Jones VM Dark Peak
107 Peter Calladine VM Saddleworth
108 Graham Butcher VM Rochdale
109 Ozzy Kershaw VM Team Krypton
110 Allan Pollock VM Rolls Royce Harriers
111 David Bevan VM Unattached
112 Jon Robinson M Goyt Valley Striders
113 Helen Allison F Pennine
Yes, since it is twenty years since you have done Tankys.....those rectangular slabs of "eye sore" that lead upto Blackhill are exactly that, an eye sore but they have done a grand job in reducing erosion and do aid the fell runner in forward momentum....I'm sure twenty years ago this section of Tankys would of been a knee deep quagmire and alot tougher unless frozen.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bornagainfellrunner
Tip: one of those rectangular slabs not too far from Blackhill Trig has three bits of rusting iron sticking out of it, hit that and head south....;)
Years ago we never went near the summit of Black Hill, over the road at Wessenden Head, immediately right and parrallel the road for 4 / 500 yards and contour round to Dean Head and carry on to hit the Pennine Way half way down from Soldiers Lump to Red Ratcher, under Laddow Rocks to the check point at the stile above the outdoor centre at Crowden.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphin
No paving slabs anywhere.
..they a seek him/her here, they seek him/her there....but Bluebike runs and rides everywhere....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Thanks for this chaps.
I have a vague recollection of going up the road & to the right of Black Hill then going over Westend Moss, back in the day. I will get out & recce after the OMM.:cool:
Putting my entry in the post tomorrow:confused:
Full list to date:-
1 Gordon Cooper M Glossopdale
2 Gary Fleet VM Saddleworth
3 Phil Davies VM Dark Peak
4 Ashley Norrie VM Saddleworth
5 Jan Danilo-Garbacki M Dark Peak
6 Alistair MacDonald M PBM
7 Simon Rippon VM PFR&AC
8 Darren Unwin M Dark Peak
9 Susan Hinde VF Saddleworth
10 Greg Rimmer VM Dark Peak
11 Andy Butler VM Pennine
12 Ian Charlesworth VM PFR&AC
13 Mark Ollerenshaw M Glossopdale
14 James Wilson M Glossopdale
15 Gavin Williams VM Dark Peak
16 Tim Whittaker VM Unattached
17 Mark Vogan M Glossopdale
18 Clare Griffin F Goyt Valley Striders
19 Nick Cable VM PFR&AC
20 John Nunn VM Calder Valley
21 Dave Ward M Borrowdale
22 Jon Colins M Glossopdale
23 David Lewis VM Unattached
24 John Doyle VM Pennine
25 Cathy Murray VF Glossopdale
26 Nicky Snook VF Saddleworth
27 David Hickling VM Saddleworth
28 Dan Riley M Pennine
29 Kenny Turner VM Dark Peak
30 Lindsay Palmer VF Glossopdale
31 Michael Baldwin VM Denby Dale
32 Beryl Buckley VF Glossopdale
33 Carl Buckley VM Glossopdale
34 Ginny Willey F Middleton Harriers
35 Kate Cooper F CFR
36 Julien Minshull VM Glossopdale
37 Geof Briggs VM Pennine
38 Adele Metcalfe VF Glossopdale
39 Susan Clapham VF Glossopdale
40 Steve Burgess VM Unattached
41 Nicky Spinks VF PFR&AC
42 Matthew Hulley M Dark Peak
43 Graham Walton M Wilson Cycles
44 Jim Bell VM Dark Peak
45 Ian Winterburn VM Dark Peak
46 Brent Lindsay VM PFR&AC
47 Linda Murgatroyd VF Stainland Lions
48 Colin Bishop M Saddleworth
49 Peter Adams VM Rolls Royce Harriers
50 Anne Beresford VF PFR&AC
51 Helen Lambert F Calder Valley
52 Becky Harper F Totley
53 Nick Harper VM Totley
54 Mark Rawlinson VM West End Runners
55 Winkie Thin VM Sheffield Tri Club
56 Colin White VM Totley
57 Steve Duggan VM Totley
58 Peter Parsons VM Totley
59 John Boyle M Dark Peak
60 Iain Kelly M Keswick AC
61 Roy Gardener VM Unattached
62 Ian Fitzpatrick M Dark Peak
63 Heln Elmore F Totley
64 Roy Gibson VM Dark Peak
65 Tony Steward VM Calder Valley
66 Mark Harvey VM Dark Peak
67 Ian Clough VM Fat Boys
68 Rick Ansell VM Tring RC
69 Ross Howard VM Retford AC
70 Amanda Howard VF Retford AC
71 Mark Pearce VM PFR&AC
72 Mike Hudson VM Goyt Valley Striders
73 Jon Glanfield M Glossopdale
74 Sue Kiveal VF Saddleworth
75 John Hewitt VM Glossopdale
76 Keith Holmes VM Dark Peak
77 Ian Arnold VM Holmefirth Harriers
78 Chris Maylor M Saddleworth
79 Jamie Rennie M West End Runners
80 Amanda Heading VF White Peak
81 Lynda Howard VF Retford AC
82 Lynda Max VM Retford AC
83 Bill Goodwin VM Pennine
84 Nick Whittingham VM PFR&AC
85 Anthony Capuano VM Unattached
86 Gus French VM Pennine
87 Jo Wood F Totley
88 Dave Fields VM Unattached
89 Duncan Proud M Unattached
90 Andrew Kitts VM Keighley and Craven
91 Nick Harris VM Rossendale
92 Clare Kenny VF Calder Valley
93 Jamie Collier VM Unattached
94 Ruth Canton F Totley
95 Kate Parr F Totley
96 Mike Munelly M Pennine
97 Alison Brentnall VF Pennine
98 Alan Brentnall VM Pennine
99 Johnathan Bradshaw M Macclesfield Harriers
100 Andy Plummer MV PFR&AC
101 Henry Keighley-Elstub M Tring RC
102 Chris Bagley VM Fat Boys
103 Howard Chambers VM Saddleworth
104 Mark Rochester M Tring RC
105 Roy Bradley VM Saddleworth
106 Alan Jones VM Dark Peak
107 Peter Calladine VM Saddleworth
108 Graham Butcher VM Rochdale
109 Ozzy Kershaw VM Team Krypton
110 Allan Pollock VM Rolls Royce Harriers
111 David Bevan VM Unattached
112 Jon Robinson M Goyt Valley Striders
113 Helen Allison F Pennine
114 Mark Bartley VM Totley
115 Justin Gutmann VM Macclesfield Harriers
116 David Sykes M Dark Peak
117 Jenny Caddick F Dark Peak
118 Jane Cockerton VF PFR&AC
119 Geof Nichols VM Dark Peak
120 Brian Layton VM Tring RC
121 Kenny Jones VM Dark Peak
122 Darren Holloway M Pennine
I see the big man has finally put pen to paper at 122, Piglet is in aswell and some one I used to work for not forgetting Ken Jones the man behind the Kinder Killer/Dozen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PlumBum
Any advance on 122 entries this year? :confused:
I did hear talk that there might be a few minor route "modifications" this year. Will we get a "heads up" beforehand anyone? ;)
Andy has been in negotaitions with Moors for the Future and United Utilities about the route, Perhaps more for next year than this but they have asked for some consideration about route choice. Andy has run their prefered route and Brent and I went up to day, I would doubt that the route will change but can't confirm it yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Don't worry you will find soon enough.;)
Entries are still on the increase.
No FRA Relays for IDPK? Penistone folk had a good romp!
Not much chance of that, Did you see the standard of our 'B'Team, I might have scraped in to a 'D'Team if I was lucky. Who was the Penistone team?Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUEBIKE
Race limit this year is 200 entries, however, with natural wasteage, may mean 180 (ish) runners if we get full entry list.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
Any route mods that may happen, probably none for this year as Ian DP intimated, will be described on here as soon as we know.
Hopefully meeting with United Utilities this week sometime to discuss.
I was out Saturday afternoon reccing the section from Wessenden Head to Crowden, didnt get that far as I was a bit pushed for time. Took the Tooleyshaw Moss path from Blackhill trig down to the col where there is a stile in the fence, then dropped down into Crowden Great Brook. Is this the right way to go as I couldn't see any paths down to the brook & it was very rough going.
Can Ken bring my Killer / dozen certsQuote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Decided to enter Ian so YOU can show me the route:).
Ive not recced much
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Originally Posted by bornagainfellrunner
See below
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Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
You have to submit details of your attempts first!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by daz h
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Originally Posted by BLUEBIKE
Dark Peak 'B' team were 18th and the Dark Peak Vets won their class, thats why I wasn't at the relays ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Hiya Bornagain,Quote:
Originally Posted by bornagainfellrunner
I met you on Saturday afternoon at Black Hill trig. Been out and recced this route this morning with Ratfink and her pals. Bumped into IanDarkpeak and his mate too.
Leave the trig and follow the PW until you get to a flooded area where the stone path goes over, just before you go over this 'bridge' there is a path to the left, follow this as best you can over the peat until you come to a fence, climb over the stile that also has a dog gate and follow the path all the way down to Crowden Little Brook (passing a white post and sheepfold), then you have about 2 miles along in to Crowden.
Hope this helps.
Linda
Thanks for that Mrs Stagger, I will try a recce again after the OMMQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Stagger
"Flooded area"? Can you be more specific? ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Stagger
Seriously though, lots of waterlogged ground - terrific! :p
Just had a reply from Unitied Utilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by jodg
We were being asked to continue for another 1.3K beyond Soldiers Lump before turning off for Sliddens.
I ran this last Friday and it was horrendous.
The best route for all concerned, UU and runners, is to got beyond the "flooded area" where you will see a mound of peat covered in small stones on the north side of the paving slabs. Turn left south st this point and pick up a small trod for 50 metres where another small trod crosses it. Turn right on this second trod which will bring you to the rickety stile at the top of Crowden Little Brook and nearly the start of the path down Sliddens.
The ultimate aim is to avoid damage to ANY newly seeded parts of the peat, namely before the flooded area.
This flooded area is just after a paving slab with 2 iron cleats in it, approx. 80 metres past Soldiers Lump trig.
If in doubt go on Pennine Way until long established grass is on the left (south) side of slabs.
This is imperative if we are not to jeopardise the future of the Trog.
Can you indicate this on a map for us please?Quote:
Originally Posted by PlumBum
Hi AndyQuote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
The "old/usual" route before the flooded area was 50 double paces from the Soldiers Lump Cairn for me so should be similar for you.
By Plumbums description go beyond the "flooded area" where you will see a mound of peat covered in small stones on the north(right) side of the paving slabs. On race day we will put a marker here so it will be more obvious. I might go up this week and make a more obviuos cairn/Marker for recciers.
This is only a short deviation and soon brings you back on to the usual trod.
Ian
Difficult to show exactly where on a map but its well before you dop off the plateau.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Main object of the "diversion" is to avoid the obvious new gars on the south side of the paving slabs.
The new grassed area goes up to IanDP's "flooded area" whaich is a pond, about 10 / 15 metres long, either side of the slabs.
Just after these "ponds" the path rises slightly, after this rise there is a small mound of peat, on the north side, covered in small stones. Look south at this point and you will see the grass right up to the slabs, is well established stuff with a trod running away from you, follow this for 50metres and bear right on another trod.
OK, I'll go up and have a look. I'm sure it will make make more sense then.
no no no no no no NOQuote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
all this 'guided' recce-ing is in my opinion the ruination (in general) of route choice and dare i say spirit of the race :mad:
obviously we have to adhere to landowners wishes in order to protect the race for future years.....BUT at this rate we wont need to carry a map and compass on race day
Totally agree ...it's a race and therefore competitive! that may be competing against oneself or others..and the environment and weather!
I'm totally agin way markers for the course where it's not needed for safety purposes. The only ones we need to worry about are the CP's and road crossings and where there are out areas deemed out of bounds by landowners.
So do I but can't play out this weekend :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Stagger
...and as for giving grid refs out etc....:eek:
The only marker, if indeed one is put out, will be so I don't get some negative back from United Utilities that, so far, have been very accommodating and supportive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slippery Stones
The least we can do is make sure, as far as reasonably practical, we do not spoil some of their hard work and if this takes one marker at the side of a paved path then so be it.
Lets face it, the race has not been the same since the Pennine Way has been paved.
Going round Dean Head on, what seemed like miles of, man eating turks heads
and then over Bleaklow without any waymarkers / paving slabs down Hern Clough and then finishing over the 3,4 or 5 minute crossing when all you had was a cross scratched on a rock above the second stream of Blackden to show where to strike off.
And I am sure those who ran it before I started to would have other stories.
Set of soft poufs we are nowadays.:D
...point well made PB! What ever would Brian make of all this ....as for those paving slabs...
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Originally Posted by emmilou
Have you entered Emmilou? Are you doing the Tour of Pendle this year? I think I'll do it just as a warm up for Tanky's.
Linda
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Originally Posted by Mrs Stagger
can't do Tanky's am away down south for a birthday 'do' :(
I'm doing Pendle yes and the Roaches if you fancy that as another 'warm up'?! :D
Another batch:-:)
123 Craig Stansfield VM Rossendale
124 Pat Goodall VM Totley
125 Duncan Irving M Pennine
126 James Riley M Todmorden
127 Muir Morton M Pennine
128 Colin Lago VM Dark Peak
129 Jon Morgan VM Dark Peak
130 Stephen Martin VM Dark Peak
131 Robert Marsden VM Dark Peak
132 Philip Elliot VM Totley
133 David Shepherd VM Totley
134 Richard Andrews VM Unattached
135 Suzanne Darke F Saddleworth
136 Ged Cudahy M Stockport Harriers
137 Mark Cudahy VM Buxton A.C.
138 Andrea Foster F North York Moors AC
> 124 Pat Goodall VM Totley
VF!