Have you not heard of the new sport of Corruption? It's probably the cleanest sport of all sports.
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Have you not heard of the new sport of Corruption? It's probably the cleanest sport of all sports.
UK will have to up its game to keep up with the world's best.Quote:
Originally Posted by wharfeego
Ha ha ha, just look at our politicians and expenses,Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
The police at Hillsborough
Do you think sports will be and different????
Chris, you were correct. When they're struggling to find a credible runner to retrospectively award stripped medals to there's a huge credibility problemQuote:
Originally Posted by CL
Yep CL was spot on with his drug comments.
Will Alwaysinjured be vindicated with his safety comments?
Only time will tell.
I'm sure there will be about 40% of his million words on this forum that will be proved to be correct. No-one will ever read them in full.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
"No one" is correct. Dear AlwaysInjured admitted that he never read his own posts/ emails (or used a spellchecker) before sending because he was much too busy typing.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
Explained a lot really.
:mad:Is Coe guilty of corruption?
He certainly has a lot of explaining to do but being an Ex MP corruption will be nothing new.
Oh dear athletics is one if not thee dirtiest sport going.
I would like to think not although I was always an Ovett man myself.
Dirtiest is rugby apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-34902105
That's Union for the purists:pQuote:
Originally Posted by dominion
I don't follow that comment - the numbers look fairly similar for both codes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
So... Sharapova:
Innocent person caught in the crossfire
Or
Drug cheat
Remember, this is the forum, we don't allow for any grey areas. :)
What will be interesting is the extent to which her status as a blonde, rich, legs to die for, gorgeous young woman will affect the judgement of (men) in authority. (I could hardly write that with a straight face).Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
I read in the Times this morning that:
a) it's very far-fetched to be taking this drug for the reasons she states
b) there were something like 60 Russian athletes found to be using this drug
I say she should be stripped of all her medals and they should be given to "Tiger" Tim Henman.
This is yet another form of entertainment that has been ruined for me. Is nothing sacred any more? I'm going home to listen to some Happy Mondays records and remember the good old days.
Its all about degrees of innocence and guilt I guess. Until 1st January that drug was legal and now it isn't. So some kind of exercise capacity increasing additive was legit but now isn't. Sharapova definitely screwed up but its down to the dates as much as anything.
And apparently WADA are now looking at one or two powerful pain killers that are currently allowed but might not be in the future. Talking of pain killers don't most professional footballers take an ibup or two each time they play? Come to that most ultra distance runners I know use ibuprofen to help reduce pain. Surely you could argue that no pain killers at all should be taken, ibuprofen and all? A pain killer artificially increases exercise capacity after all :)
Actually the drug has never been legal in the USA for any use and the Latvian manufacturers only recommend 4-6 weeks use and not 10 years and ...but then you are male and she is blonde and pretty and rich.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
From the Guardian:
"• The drug was name-checked in the latest investigative documentary on Russian doping reforms by the German Hajo Seppelt on Sunday. The documentary referred to a 2015 study in which 17% of Russian athletes (724 of 4,316) tested were found to have meldonium in their system. A global study found 2.2% of athletes had it in their system."
So there is no doubt it is a well recognised performance enhancing drug, or at least has that reputation. The reason she gives for taking it looks extremely doubtful. What is surprising is that nobody in her no doubt large retinue of employees did not appreciate the importance of this - but perhaps she is surrounded by yes-men and so has trouble getting good advice.
If it was a natural product, like coffee or beetroot, it would of course be OK to take it, at least up to a certain level - but it isn't.
Ha ha great choice of music to listen to Noel.At least they were honest about their drug taking.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
A CHEAT
Could be armstrongs sister.
I'm missing a trick here, i think i'm going to get some gear for the new Bofra season.
Sticking with beetroot here :)
What about Staminade in the mid 80's or the SIS gels of today.
We have no idea what they are made of and whilst they are probably a much lower class of an energy boost than the stuff taken by professional athletes, where do you draw the line?
Its totally unlike you Graham I know but you completely missed the point I was making :). Sharapova screwed up like I said but most probably by not reading the fine print and acting on it quickly enough rather than openly flaunting the drug rules - the drug was okay and then it wasn't and stupidly she missed the change over day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
The point I was making though is that a lot of athletes examine the rules and go as near to the edge of them that they can do legally. In the spirit of sport though is that morally right even though (so long as you don't screw it up) its technically legal? Hence my point about ibuprofen - loads of people use it to minimise muscle pain even though if nobody used it the competition would be fairer. Surely although clearly legal, using ibuprofen gives the users a performance edge?
Mappers point about energy gels is exactly the same. I've used the SIS gels but others have said that I should go one step further and use the caffeine SIS gels because they're even better. I think fell races should restrict allowable running food to Booth's mini pork pies and leave it at that :)
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Originally Posted by Stolly
I care little for tennis and even less for Sharapova - since she stood me up - and my interest is in observing the legal shenanigans to follow: eg how did she come to be taking a drug that is not approved for use in the USA and which it is therefore illegal to import? Perhaps she is also a drug trafficker? :D
On your general point (SIS, Ibuprofen et al) I agree but there is nothing "fair" in all athletics. If you are very tall you should outjump someone short. If you live in Denver Colorado your body is naturally better equipped for endurance than living by the Dead Sea. I had an EPO test done and the result shows I have been handicapped throughout my running career. Fair?
I wish I had taken up tennis.:D
Like it! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by stolly
I certainly don't think she was taking it for 10 years purely for medical reasons. But, she wasn't going against the rules by taking it while it wasn't on the banned list. So I think she's been caught out for being careless. Bloody stupid error though.
If you argue that she's got what she deserved because she's knowingly taken a performance enhancing item, albeit one not banned, for the previous 10 years, then you need to ask whether it's right to use caffeine as that's also on the watch list for potential future banning. And how many of us have used caffeine for hoped-for performance enhancing reasons, i'd guess a large-minority at least. Also the use of 'altitude tents' for athletes training at sea levels, not one I guess that is available for most of us, but plenty of british athletes have admitted to using them. Tramadol is the controversial one at the minute, not currently banned, but serious effects. I've heard plenty of talk on the Leeds Chaingang about one or more members being prescribed this whilst away with their various pro set-up's.
Athletes will always look for the next thing, hasn't it always been that way? Sad state I know but unavoidable unless you go down the route of banning all supplements, and then they'll just find there way into every day food products. Of course the argument then becomes about whether a good diet doesn't already provide you with all your needs.
And round we go....
Do you want to borrow my glasses and ahem...my nostrils?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
She should never pick up a tennis bat again
No, it's a racket.........:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
A racket is what he makes at choir practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mapper
This drug - meldonium - was clearly being taken as a performance enhancer by hundreds, if not thousands of sportsmen and women. Having heard about the less than clear email, with the convoluted process to access the data, and seen the leaflet, with the complicated drug categories and the name mildronate - meldonium's other name - missing from the list, I have a certain sympathy for those caught out. Having said that, if I had an advisor, I would have expected them to sort this out for me!
One aspect of 'doping in sport' which isn't considered is the abuse of off the shelf medication to assist a performance in an endurance event - for example in a local ultradistance event regularly undertaken by people who just want a go for charity as well as serious regular competitors often you will see people who have no medical or healthcare background without the slightest bit of knowledge as regarding the contraindications or spacing out of doses advising people to take painkillers like paracetamol, cocodamol, or antinflammatories like Ibuprofen. Just because they're off the shelf doesn't mean they don't have the potential to damage muppets who think they can take them like smarties. I've come across examples of overdose in races and the potential for long term organ damage is heightened due to the dehydration factor.
It's accepted practice, but to me it's a form of cheating. Part of the challenge of ultradistance is having the mental strength to deal with the pain and if you can't take it then you have to ask yourself is there a genuine reason you're having those problems and whether you should be considering withdrawing rather than masking the symptoms.
What's everyone's thoughts?
ps I'm not talking about athletes on long term prescribed regular medication as advised by their Dr who are taking it for a specific condition who are an entirely different case.
re ibuprofen it will be interesting to see the outcome of this study
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT02272725
I suspect NSAID use will not come out well
Agreed - I have seen so much harm from this group of drugs.
I was talking to my uncle about this safety debate. He is fairly high up in Lloyds of London and insures events such as the Isle of Man TT. He said the thrust of AI's argument is correct. That is good enough for me, as you say time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
The end game for me was the point at which I stopped believing in what I was seeing on TV. You spend all your mental energy trying to work out if this is real as opposed to enjoying the competition. I am afraid I am at that point with athletics and CL who was initially pilloried for his suggestions in this area is correct.
Brilliant. Just bloody brilliant.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/36823453
But they couldn't beat us in the medal tables. Wonder why?
Well this is a genuine surprise. The Russians are normally so subtle.