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What if God is not a "sky god" but something utterly more than that. We don't need sky gods maybe. Maybe we don't need any sort of god. We can get along, surviving or not surviving according to the laws of physics and Darwin, just fine. Robust individuals may not need the consolation that faith brings to some believers (ie not all); intellectual independence and their own capacity to endure may be enough. But what if there is a god made up of "universal laws" , a tension within "creation" that stops it from disintegrating, a something, not understood, but there nonetheless, which gives a point to things. In other words, and this is my hope, that things are not absurdly pointless; that there's a reason for me being here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad
By the way I can't understand why Darwin and physics are still set up in opposition to God. Surely no one capable of engaging in this level of debate still asserts an old testament version of creation. Christians of my ilk assert that Genesis is a profoundly interesting creation myth. A myth that explains nothing and at the same time, (because it is in the nature of myth), explains it all (of course).
Science is looking for a universal theory, you feel a need for a universal god. Perhaps they're the same thing with a different name.
I see no need for a reason to exist, I think Dawkins says there's no point in the 'why' question.
And I agree, plenty of Darwinists and scientists have faith, too. I also agree that all cultures have a creation myth and many (if not all) religions share very similar values and ethics, so that we can all rub along together.
I've said earlier, I don't know whether God exists or not, but I do know that faith and religion exist, and that alot of modern civilisation originated in established religious bodies. Things like the codex of laws, science, astronomy, medicine, education, the printing press, soft cheeses, Trappist beers and Benedictine, fine tapestries, charitable works.
In fact I think you'll find all successful civilisations through history have been based on just two institutions: an established religion (faith) and organised, effective miltary and naval forces (power). Plenty of mistakes on the way and retrograde steps of course, but then we're simple human beings.
Who put the scent into the
roses?
Who taught the honey bee to
dance?
Who put the tree inside the
acorn?
It surely can’t be chance!
Who put the feathers on the grouseQuote:
Originally Posted by Grouse
Who ate the porridge?
Who unleashed the Tsunami?
Who Unleahed the Haiti Earthquake?
You eyes are filled with dead mens' dust.
Your mind is filled with dirt.
""If you can't speak out against this kind of thing, a crime that's so unjust," sings Dylan, "Your eyes are filled with dead men's dirt, your mind is filled with dust."
Or my favoutire, when the prophet Elisha kills 42 kids for calling him baldy!
2Kings 2:23-24 [NIV]
"Elisha left Jericho to go to Bethel and on the way some boys came out of a town and made fun of him. "Get out of here, Baldy!" they shouted.Elisha turned around, glared at them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys to pieces."
They don't make gods like they used to.
Obviously! I was bitten by one last sunday!
Oop, thought we questioning the existence of canines. Soryr lfie is hrad wiht dyslexia.
Ah, delboy, missed you. Wondered what the smell was, dykehade.
Biblical literalism is on the increase. I don't really get it, but I think it might be to do with those who are sceptical of evolution trying to distance themselves from the whole thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guick Dotto
Noel, have you seen film of the creationist museum in the States with a tableau of humans in sheepskins cooking over a fire with dinosaurs looking over the scene? They say this is what the world looked like 10000 years ago. Hardly drawing on the Old Testament, not a dinosaur in sight, none on the Ark either.
Reminds me of the old joke....
Have you heard about the...... sorry cant tell it, just in case I upset someone!
Oh, go on, the kids are in bed.
Have you heard about the Agnostic, Dyslexic, Insomniac?
He lies awake every night wondering if there is a dog!
Perhaps we should have a.... tonights joke or tonights subject most probable to cause offence topic?
Sorry, I went to bed, too. That's a very old one. :wink:
Plenty of source material here (go to the NAAFI bar near the bottom) :w00t:
http://www.arrse.co.uk/forum.php
Any truth in the rumour that there's been a power-cut at AI's and he can't get on the forum?
I imagine he's on the Cycling News forums doping clinic sub section writing a single post.
I think the water needs testing. We need a sock puppet to post something relating to the new safety rules.
Give Derby Tup a shout, he's got a few extra log ins.
Sounds like a plan. I think I've used up all my spare logins....Quote:
Originally Posted by shaunaneto
Not true. T'was never my thingQuote:
Originally Posted by shaunaneto
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
He informed your obedient servants on the FRA Committee that he would be away.
Presumably he felt we needed notice of his absence in case we failed to, notice his absence.
It's sad that after telling us he would post no more only about twelve times, and after only another 200,000 words we've lost such an active forum member.
Hmmm, quite interesting. Graham and AI seem to have been away at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
Maybe the thread should be changed to 'does AI exist?'. He was here for a short time, had a lot to shout about and is gone(or has he?). Maybe it is time for his second-coming and evidence of his omnipresence?
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
I believe you Delroy :cool:
HA! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
SniggersQuote:
Hmmm, quite interesting. Graham and AI seem to have been away at the same time.
The resurrection!
It seems you can't keep a (good) man from posting thousands of words a day.
The forum would be a different place without his contributions.
I can't decide whether I prefer the almost unbearable level of sexual tension between Danbert and IainR in the football thread or the nauseatingly repetitive jumbled brain dump of AI's possibly sensible safety outpourings.
Genuine LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Eeeeeuuuurrrrggghhhhhh!