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RobH has it. The check-point has been moved so the iDent timing station can get Mobile signal.
As previously said in the thread iDent has been used for timing and safety reasons. As the diversion is only 150m I'm sure everyone will buy in to the benefits that this brings and that these outweigh the disadvantages of this diversion.
I see I no Longer need to reply
it was like Karno's Picnic on the skyline today
couldn't chuck your gel wrapper without hitting another runner ;)
I tried the down-and-up, and reckon I could do it a couple of minutes quicker than the top (mainly cos've how tortoise-like I am on the flat bits) - but only if I don't cramp up in the attempt...:confused:
Good run out in cold, icy conditions. Everything frozen, so bogs were easy to cross over Brown Knoll. Did the down and up (maybe be quicker...). Also a few other little shortcuts. Good crew out today: Carl Bell, Lee Newton, Steve Hebb, Ben Mounsey, Gav Mullholland, Stu Bond, Dave Taylor. Lots of banter.
Evening all.
I'm not an experienced fell runner (trail/roadie) so just after any info regarding suitability? From looking at the websites it looks as though the route is obviously not marked, I wondered whether you get away with it by following others on the day or whether it needs a reccie in advance? Any info regarding the course would also be appreciated.
Many thanks,
Rich.
Bows and arrows at the ready gentlemen.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Richantsmith86
It's a champs race so should be plenty around to follow, but I wouldn't rely on it if I was you. Recce is the gold standard, not only will you learn the general layout (even if you don't get it exactly right), but you will also learn what to expect and therefore what to save in reserve. If you're not able to do a full recce, definitely recce the final half which is tricky, and the most likely point to find yourself on your own.
Well, a couple of points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richantsmith86
1. The race is full, so unless you've already entered and somehow got through the vetting process, the question is moot.
2. If you are in the race, then I would say you need to know where you are going and don't rely on others
No. I'd argue navigational ability should be the gold standard. But a lot of fell runners only rely on a recce, that much is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
Any Nav work for me is done during the recce, to save time during the race, it's not only about route choice. If everybody relied on map and compass during the race it would slow things down considerably for a lot of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by fozzy
Yep, which is why I'd argue a lot of fellrunners are not great navigators. I thought my navigational ability was reasonably ok from hill walking. Then I started orienteering and found out just how bad I really was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
If you are a good navigator, then on something like a fell race, where micro-navigation is usually not that important (as, for example it is on a MM or O event), then using a map and compass during the race should cost you no more than seconds.
Well I'm not a great navigator and I'm happy to admit that, but I have an excellent memory so the fastest way for me to race is to work out my Nav from a recce and then remember it. Doesn't stop me getting lost but is far quicker than trying to Nav on the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by fozzy
And when the clag comes down?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
Not trying to get on your back at all though. But, you should come and do some AIRE events for practise. It soon sharpens you up - made a big difference to my ability. We have quite a few fell runners who are AIRE members. I know SYO also have a lot of good fell runners who run for DPFR.
If the clag comes down I'll get the compass out then and have a crack. You're not getting my back up at all, I just place more emphasis on racing rather than navigating because that's usually more relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by fozzy
We need to bring along a bothy bag just in case the weather is really grim - any suggestions as to a lightweight/low volume one most welcome.
Do people normally train for this, or should I just turn up and give it a go? It can't be that hard surely.
Cheeky sodQuote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
I got one of these based on recommendations in another forum thread. Was smaller than an apple went I got it, but being inquisative I took it out to have a look, it now packs down to the size 2 small apples - how do these guy pack things so small! Anyhow I normally run with a small back pack and space isn't too much of an issue - those who prefer a bumbag might need to hone their repacking skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/amk-heatsheet-emergency-bivvy/
I basically tried that method in 2011 :thunbdown: I can not recommend it Geoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
I seem to remember your strategy also involved some break dancingQuote:
Originally Posted by Truck
It wasn't really part of my strategy.... Having said that, I'm not sure I even had a strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Do we know if the reserve list is available anywhere or the likelihood of anyone on the list getting a place? Will there be an assumption (as in other races) of a percentage dropout therefore the 1st how-many-runners in on the waiting list will get a place?
Many Thanks.
will be interesting this if it is published as not much point travelling if you are last on the list. When it was full I emailed the organiser as instructed if missed the main entry (due to sodding hotel not rebooting its router until entries were full as was working away) but never got a reply even put bids of £21 each time on ebay just to be pipped but I suppose i at least pushed the two winners over £20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huwski
changed my plans for the season now as have a chance of taking a team place in lakeland 50 so will cancel blisco entry as not much point in doing championship races now. not that i was expecting to win anything but i felt my fitness has got to a level I should have got some points on the board in my age class
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Originally Posted by Huwski
The waiting/reserve list is not published.
due to the race being even more popular than normal I have had only one place handed back so far, all the others have been subs.
I don't expect any great number of people to get in off the waiting list beyond those who've already got in.
I already have 550+ on the start list to account for no shows.
as a point of order, people who are on the start list and don't turn up with out letting us know will not be running next year either!
Many thanks for the clarification Ian.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanFitz
It might be just a coincidence, but there's two duplicate names in the entry list - listed twice, and with the same club.
Kathleen Aubrey
Richard Suttle
(Not that I was scanning to see if my Fantasy Fell Running team were actually entered!)
Good idea! Jimmy McNulty would be proud of that kind of detective work. Seems I need to make a substitution already...Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
THanks fot spotting that, those extra places now removed and a couple of invites sent out...Quote:
Originally Posted by dominion
Enjoyed IanFitz's preview on page 25 of the new Fellrunner magazine. Was amused to see this wonderful piece of [dis]information:
"The race begins up the steep zig zag path Ringing Roger [...] this 300 meter climb in the first kilometre soon thins the crowd! From there its west across the southern edge of Kinder"
Maybe we really are running it anti-clockwise this year! ;)
I like that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanFitz
What's the cut-off for people to let you know? If I'd planned to do the race but then was ill on the morning of the race, I wouldn't necessarily think of telling the organiser, because they wouldn't have time to inform anyone on the reserve list.
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Originally Posted by noj
this has been pointed out to me... oops.
My defence is that I'm attempting to maintain home advantage by causing confusion for non locals. Or it could just be that I wrote the article quickly and didn't proof read it properly (or at all!)
Has it started snowing yet ? Thinking of a recce tomoz but forecast looks bad !!!!
isn't that the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Magners
No snow yet...apart from the stuff on Kinder that hasn't gone from the last lot... not due to arrive until Saturday evening/Sunday morning
It is amazing just how long the snow is hanging around on Kinder. It must be a month since we had that heavy snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
Having HPM'd last weekend, all I can say it that there's loads more over Bleaklow than Kinder. The Pennine Way 'gully' off of Bleaklow was still chocka with snow at dawn on saturday ->Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/5164/p3020025.jpg
The Skyline of Edale itself on the other hand was pretty much devoid of snow.
[QUOTE=barnyc;530658]isn't that the point?[/QUOTE
Not if you can't get there you muppett !!!!
Thanks nikalas. We should get there then but may not get back ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nikalas
There's been quite a few places handed back in the last couple of days. So if you're on the waiting list you might want to check your emails
[QUOTE=Bad Magners;530685]if only there was a train station nearby...Quote:
Originally Posted by barnyc
Yeah, dead easy to get there on a train from the Lakes :confused:
Don't get stuck mate, you would be more than welcome to spend a night in Yorkshire if you get in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Magners
Only be a sleeping bags and air bed but after a few beers would be more than comfy.