Anyway fellas setting Brexit to one side...what's really good in your lives right now?:)
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Anyway fellas setting Brexit to one side...what's really good in your lives right now?:)
well it isn't the running Graham :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
First venture on to the fells for a while last weekend and my calf has been playing up since. Tried a potter this morning but could still feel it.
Family are all good. Youngest granddaughter now walking and doing well.
Business is good.
I've just set up and Devolo Magic 1 network around the home and it seems to be working a treat. Had been plagued recently with t'internet constantly dropping off.
I even seem to have resolved what seemed like a conflict between the Sony Smart TV and the Sony soundbar which had meant 3 months or so without using the soundbar.
Running on Portugal’s trails!
The irony :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
Log burner lit, a gently snoring vizsla by my side and Sinatra / Jobim playing gently
he doesn't hate the EU, you know. Just hates those who he thinks like it.Quote:
The irony
And people who disagree with him.
Sunning myself out side of the EU.
Turkey is still warm😎
at least you've stayed within the Customs Union, if not the European one :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Have a good holiday Trevor.
Cheers Richard.
Mid 20s and blue skies.
Perfect before going into a long winter.
It's very therapeutic.
Got the blue skies, but the car was proper frozen up this morning. Super fresh morning though. Great for being out. Unfortunately I'm working.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
In the words of the 2 Ronnies,
"It's good night from me and a good night from him,"
Bring me sunshine
Morecambe and wise 🤪
So will we continue to change our clocks? Will Ireland choose to have a different time to the UK? Will our government be able to get a majority on which time we should adopt?
"Clock-changing must stop. Member states should themselves decide whether their citizens live in summer or winter time."
Under the new legislation, governments opting to make summer time permanent would adjust their clocks for the last time on the last Sunday in March 2021.
For those choosing permanent standard time - also called winter time - the final clock change would be on the last Sunday of October 2021.
Clock changing has stopped.
The time in parliament is exactly the same as it was three years ago!
NOTHING has changed in all that time!
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Originally Posted by bigfella
After labour declining to vote yesterday for a general election they have now done a full U turn today.
Tossers
Do you know why that was? Is it because they're all tossers? ;)
But now labour are asking for the date that lib dems and snp proposed.
They really don't deserve a single vote.
100% negative.
Vote for the political party that does the best for you and your country.
or the one that does the least harm, which has tended to be how I've casted my vote for the majority of my voting life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I noticed Muddy and The Oracle haven't had anything to say on Boris' new treaty. Even Witton brushed lightly over the issue. Oracle must be disappointed in Boris as he had high hopes for him. So come on guys is Boris' new treaty Brexit in name only?
Now don't tease CL!Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
I suggest we now all agree that the best outcome from the forthcoming election is a thumping majority for Boris and chums, the annihilation of all the loony parties: labour, liberals, SNP and worse and then we can all live happily ever after in tranquillity,harmony and comfort only having to worry about which shoes are the best for the Three Peaks Race.:)
The test I set is that it doesn't tie the hands of future Governments.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
Mrs May's did, because it gave the EU too much control over the process.
I don't like the Northern Ireland solution. It isn't needed. However politics in NI means that a political fudge was always going to trump a pragmatic solution.
So whilst it wouldn't be my ideal method of disengaging, it seems to be passable.
To the dulcet tones of John Lennon imagining impossible happily ever after!
In answer to CL , I actually think Myagi of karate kid has the answer as he does on most deep philosophy.
If left side of road safe. If right side of road safe. If in middle “ squish” like grape : to be out we must remove all EU leverage which will be weaponised by them.
Boris deal is better than mays , because of trade, but is still partly one leg in the road. But I would not even deal with an organisation that thought either the backstop, 39 billion or the negotiate order were a step in a negotiation
I would walk away
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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
His negotiating position had been undermined by parliamentary shenanigans such as the Surrender Act so I think Boris did very well to get the deal he did. We were told that the EU would not reopen the Withdrawal agreement but they did, that they would not remove the backstop but again they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL
Assuming the deal ever gets through Parliament, the UK will not be in the Customs Union, which is a big plus in my eyes. Also the so called level playing field provisions, which would have kept the UK tied into EU regulations have been removed from the binding Withdrawal Agreement to the non-binding Political Declaration. Such vague fair competition commitments are apparently common in free-trade deals. i think the UK will be able to diverge.
The deal isn't perfect and I can see why the DUP aren't happy. It is a fudge on Northern Ireland as WP says. But the deal is definitely not BRINO.
I suspect you're not convinced however CL. Will Nigel still be getting your vote?
It wouldn't surprise me if we end up roughly back where we are now. I can see the Tories still being the largest party but having no overall majority, more LibDem's and SNP MP's and less Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
But it's worth trying to break the impasse at least, it couldn't carry on as it was.
I agree. For me the big factor is whether the Brexit party will take a substantial number of former Conservative votes. If not, then I predict a reasonable Tory majority and Boris will be able to pass the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
I'm also interested to see how Corbyn does. If you remember Labour experienced a slight increase in support throughout the last election campaign. But perhaps that was partly down to the lack of charisma and political nouse from May.
I forcast the Labour voters in the heartlands of northern England will rebell and vote Brexit as most of the North wants this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muddy Retriever
Ah but then he was the new kid in town with little history but now voters have seen what an incompetent, spineless, hypocritical, dim and useless joke he is as Labour leader - even on a good day.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
The best comment I heard about Corbyn's chances this time (following his unexpectedly good result in 2017), was that expecting him to do well again would be like expecting a soufflé to rise twice.
I think the May effect is more relevant than a particular appeal of Corbyn. She ducked interviews and had the worst Tory manifesto in my lifetime.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
The Dementia Tax as it was called, and the move to means testing winter fuel payments were huge own goals.
But I also think Corbyn escaped real scrutiny as the GE back then was seen to a question about how big Mrs May's majority would be. He wasn't considered a potential PM.
In this campaign he will be scrutinised much more.
Then of course Labour still retained most of the votes of it's Leave voters - supposedly 5 million of them.
I'll vote for anyone standing in my constituency who wants leave the eu.
Here’s my election predictions for what it’s worth:
1. The tories will do okayish in England but won’t gain seats from labour in pro- Brexit constituencies in the north - the Brexit party will instead split their vote there. The tories will also lose a few pro remain seats here and there but their core vote will keep their noses just about above water.
2. The tories will get completely hammered in Scotland
3. Tactical voting could lose a handful of seats for the tories - it would be a darn shame if Boris lost his. Or Rees Mogg, or Steve Baker, or Duncan Smith, or that completely annoying twat Mark Francois 😊😊
4. Maybe that will net down to them ending up with the same number of seats that they started with or maybe a slight gain or (wishful thinking) a slight loss.
5. Labour too will end up just about where they started with their bonkers Brexit policy putting off both some remainers and some leavers in equal measure. Also Jeremy Corbyn will lose support from Jewish communities (and rightly so) which might cost them here and there
6. The Lib Dems will gain some seats. As a very pro-remain voter my best hope is that the balance of parliament at the end of the day will mean that labour have a minority government and we go for their renegotiated softer Brexit vs remain in a second referendum. It’s a very tight hope though 😬
I try and look at politics through very simple eyes...
Labour (as the opposition) surely have a massive contradiction in their interests, as do all the other opposition parties...
Surely their role in parliament is to govern as to the wishes of the public? I.e actually help push Brexit through rather than trying to block it at every turn.
Or is their role to oppose the government? I.e make things as difficult as possible for the Conservative party.
They can’t do both. It seems to me this is a massive stumbling-block at the centre of UK politics, and I have no idea how to solve it.
Would be interesting to see how the individual politicians voted in the numerous parliamentary votes over the past 6 months, in comparison to how their constituencies voted (leave/remain).
Notwithstanding the above, the opposition politicians who are lining up to publicly slate Boris Johnson for not getting us out of the EU today (get in that ditch, etc)..... are by and large being completely hypocritical, as it seems to me that it is they who have prevented us leaving, and not necessarily Boris Johnson....
Which then brings us nicely back round to my first point above....!
Travs that is bollocks. If labour and parliament have done anything to delay Brexit, it’s largely because they did not want a rock hard Brexit as favoured by the nutcase wing of the Tory party. Theresa May drew her red lines early doors and never dared to relax them and get a consensus. Labour would have signed up to a softer Brexit yonks ago. In fact that’s pretty much exactly what Jeremy Corbyn prefers
Parliament stalled on Brexit because in simple terms there were three factions, all sort of equal to each other: Hard bastard Brexit, softer Brexit and remain. Whatever one of those factions wanted, the other two consistently voted against
It might be “bollocks” but it’s my view, and no amount of going round in circles on this thread will change it.
I think this is my 2nd or 3rd post on the entire thread and I’ve got no great desire to increase that number. Was just presenting, as I said in very simple terms, what I see as a large stumbling block right at the heart of UK politics.
I have very little interest in politics in comparison to many on here.
Just saying what I see.
We can check back at the end but here's my take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
1. Tories will gain seats in England and Wales. Overall up 25.
2. The Tories will lose a couple of seats in Scotland, but the SNP won't clean up as they expect.
3. yes it could, but it could also win a few for them in surprising areas.
4. I reckon + 20-25 for the Tories.
5. Labour will tank. Their Brexit policy is confusing, but also many of their core policy positions can't be taken up if we eventually remain eg. the Amazon tax, state aid, nationalisation.
You can really see the EU salivating at the prospect of revising the WA and future declaration for the 3rd time, only to see it go to another vote.
6. LibDems will stay about the same. They'll pick some up, as Labour get caught in the cross-fire and perhaps also in Scotland where the SNP don't have it all their own way, but they'll also lose some. A case of swings and roundabouts mostly.
+/- 5 seats.
7. I think the Brexit Party will take some seats in traditional labour areas. 5-10 I reckon. Martin Daubney for example as a local lad in the East Midlands and son of a miner could win.
I can also see them picking up one of the M65 seats, perhaps Burnley.
So in the end I reckon 335-345 Tories and Brexit Party.
Well Travs, there might be some on this Forum who think that holding and expressing a different view to Stolly is a compliment to your perspicacity, candour and dare I say, cojones.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Haha, as somebody famous once said, the trouble with democracy is the ignorant have exactly the same influence with their one vote as the informed 😊Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
WP is a lot closer to what will happen than the ill informed dale mister.