Edale Skyline Fell Race

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Do you actually understand fell running at all? 90% of the competitors would be running in the hills anyway whether or not a race was on. And in the right clothing the conditions in the hills will be far from life threatening - Edale is a bowl and its not beyond the wit of man to drop off the ridgeline if you're struggling.

Stolly, 'forum moron' :)

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Well said totally agree I will be doing 22 miles in the hills racing or training no different from what I have been running in all through the winter

I'm full supportive of the RO's decision and I feel that's how we all should be.
No bickering and moaning.
He will consult the relevant bodies and a sensible decision will be made.
PLEASE SUPPORT HIM.

Today is not Sunday so bide your time.

Common sense prevails: i.e. each individual competitor can make his/her own mind up if they deem it suitable conditions for them to run/race in! and present themselves accordingly at the start, or stay in bed.

A.N. Other Forum Moron

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Originally Posted by sweaty

Understand fell running!!!!!!!!
I have been fell running for over 20 yrs and what i do understand is when common sense should prevail and runs should not be undertaken in hazardous conditions, and to pressure an organiser is unfair to him, other organisers have seen sense and thanks to them there is less risk of unnecassary accidents to all.
Have a nice night

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Originally Posted by sweaty

Understand fell running!!!!!!!!
I have been fell running for over 20 yrs and what i do understand is when common sense should prevail and runs should not be undertaken in hazardous conditions, and to pressure an organiser is unfair to him, other organisers have seen sense and thanks to them there is less risk of unnecassary accidents to all.
Have a nice night

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This is the time of night when the forum get's interesting.

I'm slightly upset that tomorrow's Aran Race n North Wales has been called off having been in first V60 place coming up to the final race in the series and I've been really geared up for it a few days - however it goes up to 3000 feet on unmarked rocky, icy trails, the marshals at the top would be in a diabolical position - it's basically a low key race organised by some wonderful people n a village that's snowbound right now, no brainer - I totally repect their decision to call it off.
The Excalibur race on the Clwydians had an entry of around 200 hundred (lots of charity-ish funn-ish entrants, 26 miles starting at 8.30 tomorrow morning), my daughter is immensely frustrated because she'd brought a squad of soldiers over from Germany to do it - but it's just not do-able given the blizzard that we've had today.
In contrast the Edale Skyline is organised by probably the best running/racing machine on the planet, I did it 18 years ago and I looked at this year entry list - nearly all members of regular fell running clubs and quite a number who I recognised from all those years ago - I wish I'd got an entry again!;)

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Originally Posted by sweaty

Firstly let me take my hat off to Ian for his effort in trying to keep the race/walk on but not to his common sense on this occasion, it seems that he is pressured by the........ "forum morons" to get the race/walk started because it suits them!
Firstly it will not be a race as it should as the front crowd will have to plough through the drifts creating routes for the following runners like myself to ease our way through without expending as much energy thus at the end places/ rankings will not be a true result of a true champs race.
Secondly in todays world of blame culture who really would want to put themselves out as a target to any injured competitor or if the worse came to it any dead competitors family wanting to know why in such attrocious coinditions was their loved one running/walking in an "organised" event.
And last of all as a member of the emergency services myself and a member of a mountain rescue team the last thing we want on an allready manic weekend for us is an "organised" event going ahead that is encouraging people to put themselves into conditions that are nothing short of " life threatening " and stretching rescources from what could be more needy accidents.
Lets show some common sense on the matter like other race organisers this weekend and cancel the race for safetys sake is it really worth possible lives and emergency services lives just to have a run !
I certainly wont be running/walking this event there are plenty more to do later in the year.
Thanks again to Ian for his effort but lets show some thought for the people that will have to risk themselves to help YOU

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Really?

I'm at a loss to understand whether "the pressure" is to hold it or to cancel it??? If it's on I hope to get over there with a camera.

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Originally Posted by sweaty

Firstly let me take my hat off to Ian for his effort in trying to keep the race/walk on but not to his common sense on this occasion, it seems that he is pressured by the........ "forum morons" to get the race/walk started because it suits them!
Firstly it will not be a race as it should as the front crowd will have to plough through the drifts creating routes for the following runners like myself to ease our way through without expending as much energy thus at the end places/ rankings will not be a true result of a true champs race.
Secondly in todays world of blame culture who really would want to put themselves out as a target to any injured competitor or if the worse came to it any dead competitors family wanting to know why in such attrocious coinditions was their loved one running/walking in an "organised" event.
And last of all as a member of the emergency services myself and a member of a mountain rescue team the last thing we want on an allready manic weekend for us is an "organised" event going ahead that is encouraging people to put themselves into conditions that are nothing short of " life threatening " and stretching rescources from what could be more needy accidents.
Lets show some common sense on the matter like other race organisers this weekend and cancel the race for safetys sake is it really worth possible lives and emergency services lives just to have a run !
I certainly wont be running/walking this event there are plenty more to do later in the year.
Thanks again to Ian for his effort but lets show some thought for the people that will have to risk themselves to help YOU

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Heather Marshall (DPFR) reckons it's going to be an easy day out and the conditions will make it a proper fell race. If you emergency services types don't fancy it best stay at home!

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT JULES AND GOGS xx

I live in Sheffield & yes it snowing, I also run with Dark Peak. I was in the pub with the RO on Wednesday night and he spent the whole night going through the nitty gritty of the amount of bread rolls & bowls needed, He's doing a great job & now the weather is give him a nightmare. I feel very sorry for the people having to travel long distances to get there, but at the end of the day its your choice if you go or not. I'm going if I can get there & really looking forward to the race. I ran Winter Hill last year & went back for more this year in shorts, it was a fantastic event in brutal conditions in a area I'd never been before. You know your own limits, its your choice. See you all on Sunday with a smile on your face.

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Originally Posted by Welsh Harrier

This is the time of night when the forum get's interesting.

!;)

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It's only worth tuning in after the pubs have chucked out.

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Originally Posted by Jules B

NO I DID NOT SAY THAT JULES AND GOGS xx

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You're not convincing Heth!
Anyway my money's on you in those conditions.:D

Interesting time of the night, a certain amount of bravado and posturing!

It could all be down to actually getting there, this is the key issue given road closures and the access by road of Edale

Yes we train in these conditions, usually to and from our doorsteps and in training the pressure is off. In racing there is the cutting down of weight and pushing oneself harder than usual.

Yes plenty of time before the start to make the decision to run it, but in the conditions I am seeing out of my window in Glossop now I would not get my car out of the garage.

ian i've not been the pub im on call soi'm staying at jules and molls cos of the snow: its bloody barrett and gogs has got the 'Friday Giddy's' not me! promise! xx

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Originally Posted by Jules B

ian i've not been the pub im on call soi'm staying at jules and molls cos of the snow: its bloody barrett and gogs has got the 'Friday Giddy's' not me! promise! xx

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Haha, thas'll be reyt lass. As they say in the Valley.
I take it conditions are getting a tad interesting out there?

I do think that forumites should stop pressurising the RO, I'm sure they have enough to think about.

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Originally Posted by TheReverand

Good luck to any marshalls intending to be out on the hill!

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Absolutely.....

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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze

It's only worth tuning in after the pubs have chucked out.

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Agreed....

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Originally Posted by Jules B

Heather Marshall (DPFR) reckons it's going to be an easy day out and the conditions will make it a proper fell race. If you emergency services types don't fancy it best stay at home!

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Well shes an animal...a husky to be precise...:)

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Originally Posted by fellgazelle

I do think that forumites should stop pressurising the RO, I'm sure they have enough to think about.

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Again absolutley, Ian and any other RO have so much to do these days. give him space and let him do his "voluntary job"

Don't like his descision or rules? easy go to the pub it's your choice.

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Originally Posted by IanFitz

Because of the control measures we have in place and the kit requirements the race will go ahead unless:

1, the local roads are closed or this looks extremely likely. This should be known by Saturday. But i dont think this will be the case Or,
2, Edale MRT tell us to stop. From my extensive discussions with them it would be unlikely this would happen*

*although they do think we are a little bit bonkers for wanting to run in poor weather. Not from a risk perspective just a 'wouldn't you rather be sitting by an open fire with a cup of tea when the weather is like this' sort of way

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Originally Posted by sweaty

Firstly let me take my hat off to Ian for his effort in trying to keep the race/walk on but not to his common sense on this occasion, it seems that he is pressured by the........ "forum morons" to get the race/walk started because it suits them!
Firstly it will not be a race as it should as the front crowd will have to plough through the drifts creating routes for the following runners like myself to ease our way through without expending as much energy thus at the end places/ rankings will not be a true result of a true champs race.
Secondly in todays world of blame culture who really would want to put themselves out as a target to any injured competitor or if the worse came to it any dead competitors family wanting to know why in such attrocious coinditions was their loved one running/walking in an "organised" event.
And last of all as a member of the emergency services myself and a member of a mountain rescue team the last thing we want on an allready manic weekend for us is an "organised" event going ahead that is encouraging people to put themselves into conditions that are nothing short of " life threatening " and stretching rescources from what could be more needy accidents.
Lets show some common sense on the matter like other race organisers this weekend and cancel the race for safetys sake is it really worth possible lives and emergency services lives just to have a run !
I certainly wont be running/walking this event there are plenty more to do later in the year.
Thanks again to Ian for his effort but lets show some thought for the people that will have to risk themselves to help YOU

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Originally Posted by sweaty

Understand fell running!!!!!!!!
I have been fell running for over 20 yrs and what i do understand is when common sense should prevail and runs should not be undertaken in hazardous conditions, and to pressure an organiser is unfair to him, other organisers have seen sense and thanks to them there is less risk of unnecassary accidents to all.
Have a nice night

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So Sweaty, which bit of Ian's post have you not read/do not understand?
To spell it out, he hasn't made the decision yet, and has clear criteria for doing so, when the time comes.

Those that can, do (organise fell races), those who can't, post on forums.

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Originally Posted by TheGrump

Those that can, do (organise fell races), those who can't, post on forums.

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Agreed!

One day dear TheGrump you might post something I don't agree with-which will really confuse the deluded who think you are me or I am you or we are we or...

If the weather is shite and the RO says no so be be it
and stop all the bloody winging ! simple as
some on this forum are like babies winge winge:confused:

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Originally Posted by TheGrump

So Sweaty, which bit of Ian's post have you not read/do not understand?
To spell it out, he hasn't made the decision yet, and has clear criteria for doing so, when the time comes.

Those that can, do (organise fell races), those who can't, post on forums.

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Apart from the dozens of RO's who post... usual arrogance...

Whats the point of a forum if its not for people to comment, it works both ways..

Can't see the fuss here to be honest, can't see what more Ian can do..

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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze

Agreed!

One day dear TheGrump you might post something I don't agree with-which will really confuse the deluded who think you are me or I am you or we are we or...

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Not at all Graham.. My Grandad got like that one day saying one thing.. the next another..

Race cancelled? Just had a text through? A petty, understandable though.

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Originally Posted by TheGrump

Those that can, do (organise fell races), those who can't, post on forums.

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Haha. Couldn't resist a dig :).

As for the organisation, IanFitz's has been absolutely brilliant, what with all his forum updates, facebook uodates and emails. I suspect he's up on Ringing Roger right now 'testing out' the wind chill and snow blast for his marshals. I suspect if the roads are okay, the race will rest on the marshallability of it all rather than anything else.

You not got a text stolly? Mine seemed quite official but can't see anything on the web or book..

This is posted on the dark peak website http://www.dpfr.org.uk/posts/1189

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Originally Posted by IainR

You not got a text stolly? Mine seemed quite official but can't see anything on the web or book..

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Haven't checked my phone but will do now :)

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Originally Posted by J.C

This is posted on the dark peak website http://www.dpfr.org.uk/posts/1189

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Understandable.. you'd imagine the issue it would cause if the road was totally snarled up by runners cars.. it would give the race a lot of bad press locally.. plus the risk of crashes.. a pity.

Yep, just got the text. Shame but a good call I think. For the record I would also like to praise Ian for his constant updates, sterling effort.

Thats a good call IanF; I think you called it off for all the right reasons rather than some of the wrong ones suggested by sweaty. Right I'm off for a run in the hills....... and may be some time :)

Good decision and nice n early too. Thanks. Let's hope its rearranged on a nice sunny day!

Right decision made for the right reasons. That said, i'm so disappointed i feel like crying!

Thanks to IanF for all your efforts in a) trying to keep the race on and b) keeping us do well informed throughout. You've done a cracking job and made a tough decision in the end but the only one available to you of the valley is inaccessible.

This is my garden this morning, Theres a huge drift round the front of the house, I live close to the hills. Still snowing hard

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Now what to do with the 30 cases of Ale I bought....

Right call... we've got a cornice on our shed roof... going to head out from Chinley and try to get to Mam Tor but I don't reckon we'll make it

And I had just finished polishing my ski goggles! Gutted! Well done Ian, I can imagine this decision was not taken lightly, any later and people would have started setting off!

Absolutely support your decision Ian. Timely, and no doubt taken under much pressure from all directions. Well done. I'll look forward to the next skyline, whenever it is. Hope you will continue as RO and not be put off by the immense disappointment you will no doubt be feeling today.

Good call Ian and a brave one too. Many thanks for all your hard work and the superb job you have done in keeping us all informed about the state of play.

Thanks for all your efforts Ian. You can't do much about the weather. Now what am I going to do this weekend now :D

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Originally Posted by nikalas

Right call... we've got a cornice on our shed roof... going to head out from Chinley and try to get to Mam Tor but I don't reckon we'll make it

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take goggles....its driving the snow and it stings!

My wife is jumping around the house with joy as she is injured and was having to miss the race. I, on the other hand , am gutted coz obviously I was going to win :) Thanks for the early decision Ian, we were going to set off on our attempt to get there after lunch.