JezQuote:
Originally Posted by Jez Hellewell
You had better pray you get a nice day again.
If it's a very bad day, it can get nasty.......... it's late April after all.
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JezQuote:
Originally Posted by Jez Hellewell
You had better pray you get a nice day again.
If it's a very bad day, it can get nasty.......... it's late April after all.
Ha, ha, my fingers are crossed Morgan ! We were very lucky last year, it was a beautiful day. I'll take what comes though, like all fell runners I love the challenge ! I can't remember, did you say you were doing it ?
Bit short for me Jez. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jez Hellewell
And not enough big climbs. ;)
And too much cross country running. :wink:
3p's doesn't stand for 3 Problems Morgan :DQuote:
Originally Posted by MorganW
I quote from the PBS race map:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkshire Rob
"The Peaks has been described as three separate fell races separated by two cross country races or even a long cross country race with three big hills."
I'm in the Broxap camp. It's not one of my favourites; no chance for a rest anywhere!
Must be closing in on Masterhood that's making me grumpy. :wink::wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by MorganW
Descent off Whernside
Ran round the 3 peaks today (which was nice).
At the bottom of the descent off Whernside (just before you hit the tarmac) I met a frustrated (but very reasonable) farmer who was not happy about the number of runners who do not stick to the main (man made) path, and instead take the quicker, more direct lines, on the softer ground either side.
He mentioned that there has recently been a lot of path restoration work done on that section, and if runners don't stick to the path it could put the future of the race in jeopardy. He said in last years race runners were requested to stick to the path on this section (although I can't see any reference to this on the 3P website).
Please note if you are recceing.
Personally I find it frustrating not to have the freedom to descend on the best lines, but understand the farmers concerns, and will stick to the path if that's what it takes.
I can see were he is coming from if 600 runners come down but according to my map it is right to roam land down to the gate at Bruntscar so odd runners are probaby not doing much wrong but as you say one does not want to put the race in jeopardy and i think there was something in last years instructions and it was fenced off they have done some restoration work but it is still a horribe path to run downQuote:
Originally Posted by Thatch
Yea I'm in two minds about this one too. It was my first 3P last year, & on the recces had taken to the soft stuff, easier on the knees doncha know!
However on race day the path was taped most of the way down, so in theory you had to stick to it really. I did see a couple of people dropping off to the left just coming off the top, avoiding the path completely, but I don't really know the line there.
As Geronimo says, it is open access land so in theory you can do what the hell you like, but it does make sense to adhere to the organiser's wishes if they state such things & put tape up.
The caveat I would add to this though, is that if such "requests" are made as part of condition of entry, the said points should be marshalled & ANYONE transgressing should be penalised accordingly. Sounds a bit babylike I know but how fair is it to make me, a shit runner, knacker my knees even more plodding down an 'orrible path, when "others" can take the line they like with impunity?
Level playing field & all that (now a run round one of them sounds easier :D)
First time at the 3 Peaks this year so wondering whats the best type of shoe for the race.
I know some describe it as more of a trail race than fell race so would trail shoes be suitable ? I train a lot in Adidas Kanadia, not sure if they'd be grippy enough though for the descents ? I'm a half descent climber but a slow descender so I need grip on the downhill bits to avoid losing too much time.
fell shoes
Don't listen to anyone who says trainers - fell shoes are needed. Its not a road run
Not so sure - I've run round it all recently in wet conditions and I reckon (for me) my Kanadia 3s are a better bet than my Mudclaws. Reason - it's a long race, and that shifts the comfort v grip equation strongly towards the comfort end. If your fell shoes don't hurt your feet, you're lucky, wear them. If, like me, you get blisters off the fell shoes on anything more than a few miles, wear something a bit more comfortable. The Kanadias have a pretty aggressive tread pattern anyway (noticably more so on the 3s than my previous 2s).
Jim
no brainer
road shoes if its dry
if its good enough for the top runners
its good enough for us mere mortals
Comfort was what I was thinking of Jim and the Kanadia are certainly comfortable. Slightly concerned on the grip though. I wore them in Snowdonia ( different from Yorks I know ) on Monday and they were terrible on wet rock but absolutely fine on steep grassy descentsQuote:
Originally Posted by jtinnion
Interesting variety of opinions so far.
I think a reccie with part in Kanadia part fell shoes is the answer
.....what a relief to see again the annual PPP discussion point re footwear. Now I know that all is well with the world.
Slightly off topic but I know that this is a subject keen to the hearts of some and I can't find the "Julia Bradbury on TV" thread. She was filming in our village last night for that help the aged Countryfile show.
Oh....Trail shoes......
It all depends on the weather conditions on the day. It's like asking Jenson Button what tyres he's going to be using for the Australian Grand Prix two months from the race ! It could be as dry as a bone, like last year. Or boggy as hell ! Take 2 pairs, decide on the day. Last year, on hard, dry ground, I wore Inov-8 Roclite 312's straight from the box & had not a single blister.
Roclite 285 / 315, Highlanders, Mizuno Wave Harriers, Kanadia perfect imho
It'd have to be very dry for me to wear roadshoes and I don't see need for fell shoes
What Jebby wears is immaterial. He'd win it in Crocs :cool:
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Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Or Doc's (Martens):DQuote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Like the sun going down & the moon rising, in this unpredictable & hazardous world the perennial debate about footwear at the 3P's is reassuringly soothing. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ginge Whinge
......thirty places to go........
....... in fact it is now full - 971 registered - limit is 999 so presumably it has something to do with overseas and reserved places. A friend had for some reason decided to leave it until the last minute - but he was too late, despite 28 places apparently being available.
not just jebbQuote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
there are loads of others when the course is bone dry
jebb has only won it once in the last three years
whether he was in crocs ugg boots or high heels i dont know
I agree that in the nowadays usual bone dry late April conditions running in bog standard running shoes will be fine but last year, something like 2 or 3 weeks before the race, me and Rachel from this here forum went round in monsoon like conditions; so much so that the beck at the bottom of the Whernside ascent (Little Dale beck) was a raging white water rapid and totally impassable. Even when wet though the race route (annoyingly) follows main well used paths - the first part of the descent off of Pen y Ghent though can be dodgy in wet weather and normal running shoes here would be dangerous. Ditto if the race route isn't flagged onto the frigging boulder strewn path coming off Whernside, the fast line off the mountain definitely favours fell/trail shoes.
Ran in f-lite230 last year (first ever PPP); absolutely spot on for the conditions (dry and warm). Absolutely hammered down off Whernside (stuck to the path like a good boy) and passed loads!
Plenty were wearing road shoes and seemed to be doing ok. At worst a light trail shoe would be fine.
Can't see fell shoes ever being a sensible choice in april; there's only the one decent grassy descent and it's not very steep anyway. I'd rather take it steady on a short section than have to lumber round all that trail and tarmac in fell shoes. I appreciate it probably looks different at the moment but the race isn't on now is it?
The 'racing line' off of Whernside is miles faster than the boulder strewn path - a truly fun descent too. But I'm fairly sure the race route will force runners to stay on the track. As for level playing fields, fell running has always been about knowing the route and the quick lines :DQuote:
Originally Posted by alfa_scud
I know we've done shoes, but has anyone mentioned its a trail race yet and questioned why its an AL?
Trail race has been done but not the why its an AL :). Although I think someone has mentioned it's like 3 seperate fell races with a 6 mile sprint between the first two hills and a 5 mile chug after the third.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
I don't understand why this race is an AL
Open access only applies to you personaly, it does not apply to organised events where a fee is taken. permission to cross access land is required and can be refused on various gounds inc erosion, shooting, wildlife etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by alfa_scud
JohnK I'm sure would be able to confirm/clarify this.
You can sort of get round it by not taking a fee and saying it is a social run with in a group. I don't think the PPP comes under social run :)
I think they (the national park authority presumably) were worried that the racing line trod to one side of the main path, almost entirely created by the 3P race itself, was very likely to become another main path if they didn't do something. What they did was erect a small blocking gate just below the first stile and pin up a polite request that walkers keep to the main track. Further down where the fast line can also be accessed from the main path they tried to block the path with a couple of boulders too. I think it does stop most walkers and the trod last time I <whispers> went down it is now quite fine and relatively unused. The 3P was flagged there I believe last year. (I'm not talking about the very first short cut off the top of Whernside by the way; thats virtually invisible from view from the top ridge and not many runners use it as far as I know).Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Well I ran round today, although not nearly as stylishly as I would have hoped for. It was -7 degrees in Horton when I started and the ground was rock hard pretty much all the way round with frost. Never the less I was sweating cobbs going up the side of Whernside and I (foolishly as it happens) took off my sweat filled golves, hat and outer layer. Of course after Chapel le Dale, the north west side of Ingleborough was totally in the shade and, by the time I got to the top, I was frozen solid. And I seemed to get colder and colder from that point on. That said I made it back alive :) Even though it was cold mind, it was wall to wall sunshine and I may have got myself a sun tan.Quote:
Originally Posted by geronimo
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I don't know if it was you Geronimo but I passed a group of three (I thought walkers) just after the farm at Chapel le Dale but, as I went up Ingleborough, looking back I did see them running. If it was you, here's hoping you had a cracking run out.
Looking at the race on you tube , looks really hard. them steep stone steps look tough, and some hard downhill stuff
It's tough, but you'll be reet, run at your own pace and enjoy it chamber34:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by chamber34
I'm still a bit nervous about this race, even though there's plenty doing it that aren't as quick as me and probably plenty that aren't as prepapred as me either (as well as plenty that are faster and better prepared too!). I'm worried I'm going to set off too fast and blow up, which is sort of becoming my party trick :thunbdown:, or that I'll spped up too much in between peaks and suffer on the climbs.
I've been doing 1/2 mile hill reps (circa 300ft climb) in preparation though to try and combat it, I'm building up to 10 reps (although I'm comfortably doing 6 at 9min/mile pace so could probably do 10 now anyway). That and plenty of 20m+ runs as well. Hopefully should be able to get round in a good time on the day. I'm hoping to get round under 4:30 and as close to 4hrs as I can manage. How realistic that is remains to be seen :)
Unless you are super fit you will be walking the ups on the 2nd and 3rd peaks anyway, so it is only the 1st where you need to decide what to do - and even there it is fairly clear cut as it steepens quite suddenly shortly after the route goes onto the open fell side, and it makes sense to walk that bit. Do not go too fast between 1 and 2 - if you are full of energy coming off 2 - highly unlikely - then you can pass loads from then on.
You should do fine. I did 4h20 in my first PPP last year and i've never done more than 15m in training! (although I'm hoping to get out for 3h today; just as soon as my wife wakes up and i can hand the kids over!). I reckon you'll be pretty close to 4h. Just be steady away and walk anything remotely steep. It's just not worth trying to run when people are walking just as fast!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
I think the trick with the 3 peaks is to be able to run all the way up pen y ghent, without pushing too hard but not walking either, and being willing and able to try and run the couple of plateau-ey bits* going up Whernside and all of the slabbed path up Ingleborough to the steep final ascent. If you can somehow pace yourself to do all that, you'll have a good day.
* Okay to call them plateau-ey is a slight overstatement :). Not stupidly steep bits I mean
That slabbed bit looks tough but fun.ill try that i can do ok up hills but got into bad habit off walking when others do!! trying to stop thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Stolly