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Recall all the "what will happened to all the fruit and veg produce from Spain as it sits and rots on the docks at Calais?
It's probably going to struggle to reach Calais for the next month or two.
If supply chains mostly hold together through April, WTO terms will be a stroll in the park!
Not heard much lately.
Hope it's still going through.
It's gone through.
We've left.
Can we close the boarders now???
I think every other member country has closed their borders against the wishes of the EU.
Now push has come to shove it shows what a waste of space it is and always has been.
This pandemic will hopefully be its downfall.
Ha ha ha I do like it when you tell it as it is.
A refreshing change in the modern world. 👍
and the refusal of the richer countries to help the poorer ones underwriting a cheap debt instrument - corona bonds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llani Boy
So the EU sends 20 million to Iran to fight CV.
All it sends Italy is demand for payment of a big fine for helping Sardinian hotels.
It’s getting money from destitute Italy to send to Iran.
Southern Italy is on the verge of insurrection. Supermarkets being raided.
For Southern Italy isolate means don’t eat.
That is why EU will fail. Eurocrats don’t give a toss. They never did.
Ferrari resigns as head of ERC based on shambolic EU response to COVID and the refusal of EU to take a pan European response. His policy of coordinated research and action crashed in the commission and hit the buffers. From. Europhile to eurosceptic. Covid has shown up the EU for what it is. When it hits the fan, Every man for himself.
If there was any doubt over whether to Brexit, it is surely settled now.
The callous reaction of EU, to ignore Italy’s desperate plight, sending instead unconditional funding to turkey! Just sending a bill to Italy for state aid to hotels.
Worse than that - Merz - set to take over CDU from Merkel is stating that Italy is just using corona to push for EU funding for its domestic program. The idiot has clearly not even looked at italy. EU does not deserve to survive.
https://t.co/oh33HQEofD?amp=1
I do like Mr Frost. The cut of his jib is a huge improvement on Olly Robbins.
So, bored of Covid, its time to lob another hand grenade in the Brexit pond!!:rolleyes:
I vote leave.
I didn’t realise Brexit was still a thing
Have you read we are officially out and no longer contributing to the EU?Quote:
Originally Posted by matthew
Although the UK has left the EU we still have all the benefits of membership until we can agree new terms of business (e.g. Customs Duty).Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
We still have to pay for this benefit see BBC Brexit Divorce Bill
In my divorce bill it was written up at court and all financial transactions completed within 28 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by XRunner
Should get my Barrister and Solicitor on it. They only cost me £11k and the job was completed.
It appears strange that you pay to join and pay to leave. Must be one of the few clubs that operate that system.
I don't think your divorce involved 60 million people on one side and 400 million on the other. And I suspect that the assets of Mr & Mrs Stagger were slightly less than the combined assets of 28 European nations. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Just numbers.
It wants to be over and done with and never mind paying in future.
Full and final settlement and see ya later.
That was the point I was trying to make.
You are the only man I know , that has managed to put the word “ only “
And “ 11 k legal fees” in the same sentence!
I’ve heard many other phrases used for “ 11k legal fees”
Most of them were not printable or usable in polite company!
There is no fee to leave, we had the wrong person negotiating ( aka. Capitulating) at the time.
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Originally Posted by Stagger
You would have been proud of me, I fought hard to keep my teaching pension at the cost of giving away a house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
State pension funds are worth more than bricks and mortar.
Ask the greeks what happens to state pensions when the state runs out of money. Meanwhile they still don’t have a proper land registry, so hiding property assets is easy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
I'll be dead and dead people don't worry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
It’s gone off the radar.
But Nissan now consolidating European operations in Sunderland, shutting Barcelona.
So what was it remainers we’re saying about the inevitable migration to EU after Brexit?
Renault moved some Clio operations to Turkey.
It is not one way traffic, but EU mainland provably not essential.
Well, who'd a thunk it. Perhaps it isn't quite so simple and straightforward after all. Here's a headline from the Business section of the Daily Telegraph today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oracle
"Nissan warns Sunderland plant can't survive no-deal Brexit. Carmaker said it would not be able to stand by its commitment to Sunderland if the UK failed to secure tariff-free access to EU markets."
Doesn't life have an irritating habit of appearing to be simple, encouraging people to make simplistic assumptions, only for it to show itself as being (to paraphrase Ben Goldacre) a bit more complicated than it first appeared.
If the EU are stupid enough to allow that outcome, then we should not want to be in such a dysfunctional zone as the EU.
But its true. The EU are plenty stupid enough. Its why we had to leave.
But then : Nissan don't believe that outcome or they would not be committing to sunderland.
It is of course not just them. EU Factories have moved out of EU to for example turkey. Last time I looked turkey was not in the EU either, and it wont be.
Hyundai are doing nicely, and south korea is not in the EU iether etc etc etc. So it is utter b!ll!x you need to be in the EU to trade with it. EU cannot keep chinese goods out.
And worse for EU than that, China is tooled up. So the German bonanza in selling manufacturing equipment to china is well past the peak and on the way down. Germany is in serious trouble. It cannot afford to lose the trade of selling cars to britain as well.
Surely even the most ardent remainers have now been forced a dose of reality about just how useless and nasty the EU is ,by how it treated other members when the sh!t hits the fan with the corona and refugees. Every man for himself is the message.
It always was. EU wants your money to flush down the toilet, not to help with problems. The EU is world class at one thing only. Wasting money.
The money trains still run back to berlin, full and on time. There is a large flushing noise from the rest of EU, making recovery impossible for southern europe with the weight of historic debt and the taxation needed to balance budgets. Check target 2
EU is a dead loss. Stop defending it.
We are well out. A deal preferably. No deal, if necessary. We will still keep trading.
If tarriffs come, those in the UK with car plants will clean up on UK demand.
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Originally Posted by Flem
Talking of The Daily Telegraph: Business, page 5 today.
"...billionaire owner Sir Richard Branson..."
As far as I know there has never been any factual evidence that RB has ever been a "billionaire" despite what The Sunday Trash "Rich List" might wish its gullible readers to believe.
And were he to be so, why does the business section of the DT feel the need to tell its, presumably well-informed, readership that it is referring to THE Sir Richard Branson, the "billionaire", in connection with the airline Virgin Australia?
And if we have sloppy, lazy, cliché journalism in the Business section then why should we expect more rigorous journalism elsewhere in what was once a newspaper of quality?
(For the absence of doubt - the question is rhetorical).
But then billionaire has always been a matter of opinion.
The “wealthiest” people on earth primarily own shares in the companies they own or founded.
Even in the listed companies, covenants prevent them selling even a small part of the holdings, and with governments deciding to wreck share values by prevention of trading due to covid, many of the fortunes are very disputable. There is generally not a liquid market for billions of shares.
A very few own land. In dysons case he owns a lot of essex. Productive farmland escapes some inheritance tax. That is easier to value.
Unlisted or delisted companies are near impossible to value.
Branson has been pumping money into virgin atlantic and galactic, and virgin health is run non profit.
So arguably both are worth little. Before COVID , let alone after! The deal done for virgin money valued Branson share as hundred(s) millions.
Not small change, but not a Berkshire Hathaway either!
Amazon is run near to not for profit. So what is really worth?
Socialists state that billionaires shouldn’t be allowed. I often wonder what would happen if the workers were offered employee shares instead of pay. You could be sure they would not value them!
The fact is virgin Atlantic, needed and should have been given grant help.
The idea that billionaires have billions in cash is a misunderstanding of what it means. I suppose buffet is an exception! Since BH has hundreds of billions in cash!
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Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
I see the knob from the EU says we are not making any progress.
Since that description. applies to most of them, I’m obliged to ask which one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
They still don’t get it. We are now an independent sovereign state.
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Originally Posted by Oracle
Michel Barnier
Consumer goods giant reverses previous attempt to shift to Netherlands.
https://www.ft.com/content/ffbe3980-...3-169a87cb0824
Neither the original decision, nor its reversal, had anything to do with Brexit though. It's all to do with a desire to simplify the dual-nationality corporate structure which resulted in their shares being listed independently in London and Amsterdam (to save money, after prolonged pressure from shareholders) and to try to protect itself from unwanted takeover attempts. The objections by UK shareholders to the original plan were all to do with the fact that the company would lose its place in the FTSE 100 and so its shares would (probably) drop in price (because dropping out of the FTSE 100 would mean that a lot of tracker funds would have to sell the shares they held).Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Two links which aren't behind a paywall:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53005454
https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a4465716.html
From the second of those two links:
"Pitkelthy [Unilever Finance Director] said Brexit had no bearing on the move at all, other than the fact that it had been simplified by Britain currently being in the EU due to cross-border merger rules."
As I understand it, there's no impact on manufacturing or jobs (apart, perhaps, from a few in the head office) under either plan.
So I wonder why the government didn’t want to investigate if the Russians had interfered with the brexit referendum?
Clue to the answer: they knew what the investigation might reveal 🧐
I think one needs to look a little more carefully here.
A line up of folk today to take a pop at Johnson.
Grieve being one, Straw as well - both Remainers.
But the real point is that this goes back to at least 2014 and if anything 2014 is the main time of any evidence they seem to have unearthed.
Who was in Cabinet in 2014? Mr Grieve.
The only grumble can be had against Johnson was the non-publishing of the report prior to the election, but also the fuss kicked up by Grieve, about the non publishing was for what? It's a bit of a non-report. Certainly in terms of Johnson and he must have known that.
To present the report, which has to be cleared by the Service, redacted where necessary (and it has removed some Lords who are perhaps culpable in taking the ruble) and expect it to be rushed through prior to dissolution, was expecting a lot.
A fuss over nothing really, and where is Carol the crazy cat lady?