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The thing that amuses me is fellrunners ie lovers of wide-open spaces (we are all fellrunners aren’t we? Not just anonymous internet trolls) moaning about the country being ‘full’. If it’s full where you live why don’t you move? I’m in my mid-50’s and have never lived anywhere remotely full
Wonder why that was, would it becasue the likes of Farage were saying the things the racists wanted to hear. As far as that photo, I linked was concerned, a "truer" one would have been Romanians in a Bucharest bus station queuing to board a bus to London. Only problem is is they would all be white and being honest would look little different to any bus queue in the UK. Much better to use a queue of dark skinned people who are probably all muslim, of which half of them are members of Islamic State.Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonykay
Farage may or may not be racists, but he has no quams about using those sentiments to achieve what he wants, "the UK out of the EU".
I moved from Rossendale to Blackburn. Didn't think much of it. I was just moving closer to my place of work in Skelmersdale at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Kept my original GP - but when the out of hours service changes kicked in I had to find a new one. It took me some time in Blackburn. I was lucky to get one it turns out.
I kept my old NHS dentist, but then when he decided to move to only private clients, I couldn't get one in Blackburn and so have a 20 mile drive to one.
I hadn't considered school places. But the secondary schools in Blackburn were full, apart from 2 that were in special measures.
I found after I started coaching at the club, that many Blackburn parents sent their kids out of town to schools in Whalley, Clitheroe, Preston and often these were kids being sent from the wrong side of Blackburn such as one that travelled Darwen to Whalley.
If I'd stayed put in Rossendale, I might not have experienced these difficulties.
As fell runners we are aware of limits on race entries for a number of reasons and sometimes it is down to the capacity of the venue to cope.
The UK does not have the capacity to cope with a ten fold increase in the population growth of the country. That's an opinion, but it's backed up by ample evidence out there.
This is off topic but related to what has just been said. What do people think of how to fix the population dependency ratio issue, because continuously increasing the population is not sustainable.
More rapid increase of the retirement age is a must, but do you also stop dragging out the lives of chronically ill people, with very expensive health treatments?
Given that the population of the rest of the world is vastly more than the population of the EU it is no surprise that immigration from the former is more especially given our historic links with the Commonwealth. I think you're wrong to say that we chose not to exercise any control over it. If we allowed free movement of people from the rest of the world then immigration would be a good deal higher than it is. I think it is indisputable that people from the rest of the word find it harder to come to the UK than people from the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
It is often propagated by remainers that all leavers want immigration to be reduced. In fact for many like me it is much more nuanced than that. I think that it is for the Government of the day to decide the appropriate level of immigration that is suitable for the country given skill shortages and the pressure on infrastructure etc. They are then accountable every five years for that decision and others. At present under free movement of people, those from the EU have an absolute right to come and settle in the UK. So if Oracle is right and the eurozone is on the cusp of another economic crisis, we could see a mass influx of people wanting to come here and there would be nothing we could do about it.
But Farage does have policies and he has said so just a few days ago on his radio show. He said that the policies would be the same as when he was in charge of UKIP. That's consistency for you. For instance no foreign aid is a great policy UKIP held to. You won't get that with Labour or the Tories I.e. sticking to a principle. Simples!Quote:
Originally Posted by anthonykay
Noel you're skirting around the issue. Fundamentally the UK doesn't want immigration to welfare. They don't want miles of people coming here for cheap labour jobs or no jobs then having their children's education, health care etc paid by the state. It pushes their already low standard of living further down because they have to pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by noel
So it's you Noel that is on the horns of a dilemma. If you want free movement of people - full stop - then you have to abolish welfare because you're going to attract a majority that are attracted by that welfare. The country can't last long with that policy. Simples.
And the thing that amuses me is fell runners are supposed to love freedom but then support policies and parties that control all aspects of their lives. Why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
All the usual remainer straw men noel. What is the point in answering since the same straw men get echoed ad infinitum. Now the reality.
First. We know who and how many are coming from other than EU - they have to apply to come.
EU can just roll up when they feel like it making the problem uncontrollable.
Second: One thing no migrant brings is accomodation. England (as opposed to UK) is one of densest country for population other than micro states in the EU, and we already have 10 percent increase. Millions. So it is causing a massive accomodation problem. Even the most optimistic forecasts by liars like corbyn, dont come close to housing the migrants at the peaks of flow. In addtion - many of them want to live in London adding to the massive accomodation crisis for own resident. So we have to apply a brake.
It is not our fault EU is so crap, they want to come here.
Third. Every developed country in the world other than EU controls who comes. EU is the exception, not the rule.
SoFor as long as EU is run so badly that many of the youngsters prefer to come here, (causing as many problems for the states they leave as the ones they come to) and until EU gets its house in order and stops laying waste to countries, we have to put on a brake.
I notice our main corbynista has gone. But one reason they come is Britain is run for the many not the few. We have a massive no tax threshold , indeed give it away with tax credits, and most of our tax is payed by the top few percent (Corbyns main slogan is a complete lie, like the rest of his manifesto). In most of the countries that EU lays waste they have a 20 percent tax even for lowest earners and high rates kick in far lower, and they earn far less than we do on average. So all the professionals leave, making the problems worse.
So Until EU sorts out its crap economics, and allows these countries to grow by setting growth budgets, ( by ditiching the euro, and adopting their own interest rates and exchange rat5es) it is it is asking for trouble allowing the flood here to countries run for the many. But like our own parliament has no idea of what is north of watford. in brussels and Berlin they have no concept of how bad it is far away in italy greece or portugal, for many of the EU subjects. Juncker has only one thing to say to them "keep taking the medicine, it pays for myexpenses and berlin is waiting for another trainful of loot, so time to sell your grandmother, if you havent sold her already" From which you can know I take a dim view of EU and the hypocrisy of it.
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Originally Posted by noel
Thank you CL, that's very reassuring. I had begun to worry that my only reason for not wanting to vote for the Brexit party was personal distaste for Nigel Farage (which is not a good reason), but now I realise that he does actually have policies that I totally disagree with, like no foreign aid.Quote:
Originally Posted by CL