best fell runner ever ?

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Originally Posted by christopher leigh

Or is it the one who would win the race if they all lined up on the start line in peak condition?

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Aye line them all up at Borrowdale or Wasdale with the clag right down an see who wins ;)

Or they could all go round the BG :rolleyes:

No lets do all three in the same year :D

There is something awe-inspiring about a BG in 13 hours and 53 minutes.

Keswick to Threlkeld - 2 hours 13 minutes
Threlkeld to Dunmail - 2 hours 41 minutes
Dunmail to Wasdale - 3 hours 43 minutes
Wasdale to Honister - 3 hours and 9 minutes
Honister to Keswick - 1 hour 47 minutes

And running the road section at 6 minute mile pace.

That's greatness in my opinion, and Billy would get my vote.

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Originally Posted by BGSec

There is something awe-inspiring about a BG in 13 hours and 53 minutes.

Keswick to Threlkeld - 2 hours 13 minutes
Threlkeld to Dunmail - 2 hours 41 minutes
Dunmail to Wasdale - 3 hours 43 minutes
Wasdale to Honister - 3 hours and 9 minutes
Honister to Keswick - 1 hour 47 minutes

And running the road section at 6 minute mile pace.

That's greatness in my opinion, and Billy would get my vote.

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it's on another level dont get me wrong,billy is something else,but there is more to fell running than the bob graham round,and the lake district

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Originally Posted by Fleeter

it's on another level dont get me wrong,billy is something else,but there is more to fell running than the bob graham round,and the lake district

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yes it is true but the majority of propa fell races are in the lakes eg borrowdale,langdale,wasdale,buttermere not all the time but very often and alot of the best fell runners from there as well eg billy bland,kenny stuart,joss naylor,hugh symonds ect :)

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Originally Posted by IainR

That guy can't do proper fell races..Jura'd kill 'im..Snowdon's just a glorified road race..

go on Andi bite...race.. :-)

TBF though if I was a good enough runner I'd do road over fell, that's where the best runners are, the highest level of competition. I love the fells, but 'generally' bad runners fell run.

I still reckon the best female mountain runner in the UK is Paula, someone tempt her out onto the fells, she'd murder a race like Snowdon.

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Nothing much changes. I think you and I had a similar discussion a couple of years ago.

Because it is so hypothetical it is pointless.

The best fell runners are the ones who beat the other fell runners, not the premiership footballers.

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Originally Posted by Fleeter

it's on another level dont get me wrong,billy is something else,but there is more to fell running than the bob graham round,and the lake district

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Good point.

There are several fabulous runners who would never dream of tackling a BG or the long Lakes races in the same way that Usain Bolt might not be planning on doing a marathon soon.

I can't believe that anyone hasn't mentioned either Fred Reeves or Tommy Sedgwick yet. This discussion isn't complete without them.

It is a good point there Harry H.

I think that (say) Fred Reeves' record at Grasmere which is his biggest moment is great.

Rob Jebb ran 10 seconds slower in recent years - the time you and I battled our way to the top of the hill and you left me on the way down. In a two mile race, and assuming similar conditions 10 seconds is a massive difference.

Fred Reeves and Tommy Sedgewick probably trained exclusively for those kinds of races. For Rob I guess it was just another challenge amongst all kind of running and cycling races and in the context of what he did over the season it was fabulous.

There is too little appreciation of short steep fell races; by that I mean they are a bit marginal in the calendar or indeed not in the FRA calendar at all.

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Originally Posted by dominion

So have we whittled it down to a shortlist for a poll yet? :D

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A poll would be complicated - let's get them on Harry Hill's Burp for a fight:D

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Originally Posted by Harry H Howgill

I can't believe that anyone hasn't mentioned either Fred Reeves or Tommy Sedgwick yet. This discussion isn't complete without them.

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I totally agree with this Harry.

On his day, Colin Donnelly was invincible on both short steep races (e.g. Chapelgill) and long events (his unbelievable Welsh 3,000's). And he's been at it a long time. Was it 86 or 87 when he bamboozled Rod Pilbeam at Moel Hebog to take his first British Championship? I know BB has the emotional vote coz he comes from 'native' fell running country but as an all round winner and for the duration of his prowess, I still stand by Colin.:cool: