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TheHeathens
Where the f*ck have you been!? You lost our little avatar and forum name bet - have you been hiding away from the punishment?
can't see how you can change your forum name but i did change my avatar as you can see.a reminder of when villa joined that elite group of four english teams to have reached the pinacle of club football and became champions of europe.a time when you actually had to be champions of your own league just to be in it.
Let's have a look at the mighty European Champions that you beat on your run to the cup:
Valur (who?)
Dynamo Berlin (on away goals)
Dynamo Kiev
Anderlecht
Bayern Munich
IMO, the current format is harder to win. Look at the knockout stages from when Liverpool won it in 2005:
Bayer Leverkusen
Juventus
Chelsea
Milan
Only one less knockout round as well. Don't get me wrong; what you and Forest did was a great achievement but let's not pretend it was harder to win then just because you had to win your domestic league to be in it.
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It's all been happening tonight.....Rochdale trying their best not to get promoted......Runcorn and Ramsbottom dugouts scrapping with each other, and Rainworth v Scarborough abandoned after the floodlights caught fire.......who says only the premier league provides excitement !
ps....you didn't have to be champions of your domestic league to be in the old European cup.......malmo lost to Forest in 78 or whenever, when at the time they had never been Swedish champions. They entered the European cup because they were leading their league half way thru their season (odd rules reigned at the time)
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2 goals in injury time. Absolute carnage!
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WillMarsh
2 goals in injury time. Absolute carnage!
:D now if you could just win this weekend it would be appreciated;)
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Just seen the gate for the Halifax v Lancaster game at the weekend 3,152. Not bad for Unibond Division 1 North
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IanDarkpeak
:D now if you could just win this weekend it would be appreciated;)
We'll do our best, we need to win to hopefully pull away from the teams below. Thank God we retained the 8 point lead over Southampton. Jeez I wouldn't want to play them in the playoffs :eek:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1B2m-mASdQ
United knocked out of Lego Champions League
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Richard Head
bet they did not build the wall properly
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Man from Del Monte
bet they did not build the wall properly
... the result of using a flat back 4.....:p
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Originally Posted by
TheHeathens
Let's have a look at the mighty European Champions that you beat on your run to the cup:
Valur (who?)
Dynamo Berlin (on away goals)
Dynamo Kiev
Anderlecht
Bayern Munich
IMO, the current format is harder to win. Look at the knockout stages from when Liverpool won it in 2005:
Bayer Leverkusen
Juventus
Chelsea
Milan
Only one less knockout round as well. Don't get me wrong; what you and Forest did was a great achievement but let's not pretend it was harder to win then just because you had to win your domestic league to be in it.
do you hoestly think you have made a point here. firstly villa won a league which had the winners of the previous four years european champions in it and then they beat bayern munich in the final who prior to the four previous years of domination of the english clubs had won the cup three years on the trot. under the same conditions liverpool would not even have been in the competition because they could not win their own league. plus liverpool were also in the cup the year villa won as defending champions.just because you have to play a few lesser teams in a mini league prior to the knock out stages doesn't make the trophy harder to win than having to win a season long division prior to the knock out stages of the cup
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fellboy
do you hoestly think you have made a point here.
Funny you started your reply with that sentence as I spent the rest of your post wondering what point you were trying to make.
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fellboy
firstly villa won a league which had the winners of the previous four years european champions in it and then they beat bayern munich in the final who prior to the four previous years of domination of the english clubs had won the cup three years on the trot.
We're not talking about the league, we're talking about the European Cup. Are you seriously saying that the European Cup wouldn't have been stronger with both Forest and Liverpool in it? You've already bigged yourself up by saying you beat them domestically so you must agree that they would add to the strength of the European competition.
You beat one decent team in Bayern Munich and a semi-decent team in Anderlecht. In 1999, we went through the group stages unbeaten (with Bayern & Barca), beat Inter Milan, beat Juventus and beat Bayern Munich. How can you argue that isn't a harder route to the title?
Incidentally, Juventus had contested the three finals previous to the 1999 one and not 6 years previous (Bayern won it in 1976).
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fellboy
under the same conditions liverpool would not even have been in the competition because they could not win their own league.
What's your point? The Champions League is easier to qualify for now? No argument from me on that front. That's not the point I'm making though - I'm saying it's harder to win because you have more of the big European teams in it.
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fellboy
plus liverpool were also in the cup the year villa won as defending champions.just because you have to play a few lesser teams in a mini league prior to the knock out stages doesn't make the trophy harder to win than having to win a season long division prior to the knock out stages of the cup
Most of the 'lesser' teams are weeded out during the qualification stage. When we won it in 1999, we had both Bayern Munich and Barcelona in our group stage - are these 'lesser' teams?
Don't get me wrong, I have massive respect for the achievements of Villa and Forest because (sadly) it's something that we'll never see again because of the over-commercialisation of football. However, please don't delude yourself that it was harder to win in the good old days.
I would like to see a reduction in the number of qualification places to 2 - the league winner and the FA cup winner which should see more teams putting more emphasis on the cup.
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Witton Park
scholes!!!!
:d:d:d:d
TheHeathens likes this :-)
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Fleeter Doesn't :rolleyes:
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All we need now is a Spurs win this evening and my day is made. 8 year best in the 5km this morning, Utd win and hopefully a Spurs win
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TheHeathens
All we need now is a Spurs win this evening and my day is made. 8 year best in the 5km this morning, Utd win and hopefully a Spurs win
I was mean't to go on holiday to tenerife yesterday,which has now been cancelled,not sure i'll get my money back and then that happened
Such is life...........Should have been a red :cool:
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Fleeter
I was mean't to go on holiday to tenerife yesterday,which has now been cancelled,not sure i'll get my money back and then that happened
Such is life...........Should have been a red :cool:
Yes if you were a red they would hold the flight open as long as you wanted.;)
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Cheer up Blues
There used to be a gulf in class between us and them but not anymore. We are close. Very close.
The way they celebrated you'd think they'd won the world cup.
We're now a serious threat and they know it.
We did ok today. Not great but ok.
Be patient.
Our time is near :cool:
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Danbert Nocurry
Cheer up Blues
There used to be a gulf in class between us and them but not anymore. We are close. Very close.
The way they celebrated you'd think they'd won the world cup.
We're now a serious threat and they know it.
We did ok today. Not great but ok.
Be patient.
Our time is near :cool:
Sounds like that could have come from Cameron after Thursday night:D
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You hardly had the ball in the first half Danbert, all that money spent and still no bling. Spurs are in 4th spot after beating Chelsea. What a day.:p
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CANTONA
all that money spent and still no bling. .:p
Genuine question Craig and not a wind up honest but what bling have you won this year :confused:
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Witton Park
Sounds like that could have come from Cameron after Thursday night:D
Danbert once went somewhere and met someone who had something happen to them.
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CANTONA
You hardly had the ball in the first half Danbert, all that money spent and still no bling. Spurs are in 4th spot after beating Chelsea. What a day.:p
The one consolation I can draw from yesterday is that your goal was a fair one, not a 96th minute highly controversial penalty - now that would really have made me explode.
3 times we have gone head to head with you this season and been beaten by a last-second goal. If you'd have been as low as we've been over the years you'd know that constitutes real progress.
Also consider... that the despot has been at the swamp for almost a quarter of a bloody century where-as Bobby Manc has only been here 4 months. Some of the tyrant's team have been playing for him for over a decade now(Giggs, Scholes, Ratboy etc), most of ours have been recent acquisitions.
We all knew it was going to take time, and time is the one thing we have in abundance. You lot, the detestable scum, do not have that luxury.
So all things considered, yes it was a bad day for us yesterday, particularly with Spurs winning. But it's not over yet. We are capable of winning all our remaining games (and maybe drawing at the Emirates)' so 4th place is certainly not out of our hands.
Tick Tock :eek:
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IanDarkpeak
Genuine question Craig and not a wind up honest but what bling have you won this year :confused:
League cup already and in with a shout for the league title:confused:
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TheHeathens
League cup already and in with a shout for the league title:confused:
Cheers TH:o
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TheHeathens
League cup already and in with a shout for the league title:confused:
The FA Cup...Oh, wait ;)
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Multiterrainer
My mate who claims to be the only Gills fan in Leeds won't be happy:eek:
He will be today ;)
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WillMarsh
He will be today ;)
He went down and was texting me from the match while I was sat in a pub in Brecon!!
Its looking increasingly like no-one wants to join Norwich in going up, although I now fully expect Leeds to win our last 3 matches to clinch 2nd place:rolleyes:
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Danbert Nocurry
The one consolation I can draw from yesterday is that your goal was a fair one, not a 96th minute highly controversial penalty - now that would really have made me explode.
3 times we have gone head to head with you this season and been beaten by a last-second goal. If you'd have been as low as we've been over the years you'd know that constitutes real progress.
Also consider... that the despot has been at the swamp for almost a quarter of a bloody century where-as Bobby Manc has only been here 4 months. Some of the tyrant's team have been playing for him for over a decade now(Giggs, Scholes, Ratboy etc), most of ours have been recent acquisitions.
We all knew it was going to take time, and time is the one thing we have in abundance. You lot, the detestable scum, do not have that luxury.
So all things considered, yes it was a bad day for us yesterday, particularly with Spurs winning. But it's not over yet. We are capable of winning all our remaining games (and maybe drawing at the Emirates)' so 4th place is certainly not out of our hands.
Tick Tock :eek:
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TheHeathens
Enjoy your moment The Heathens.
Personally I take consolation from the following:
(i) At long last we have a good team - yes, it might not get 4th, but it is loads better than the crap we're used to and it will be improved in the summer
(ii) The buying policy seems to be sensible - AJ, Boateng, di Maria etc are the right 'type' of player to be looking at
(iii) We are still in with a great shout for 4th. Losing the derbies in such awful fashion hurts like hell, but will it really matter if we finish 4th? No, not at all.
(iv) We're nearly there - we are knocking very loudly on the door and sooner or later (probably sooner) we will bash it in. And you know it.
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Danbert Nocurry
Enjoy your moment The Heathens.
Oh I will.
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Danbert Nocurry
Personally I take consolation from the following:
(i) At long last we have a good team - yes, it might not get 4th, but it is loads better than the crap we're used to and it will be improved in the summer
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/englan...h-place-finish
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"It is imperative we finish in fourth because we can change the way we are going.
"It would put us in the Champions League next year and that would make it easier to get the players we want."
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Danbert Nocurry
(ii) The buying policy seems to be sensible - AJ, Boateng, di Maria etc are the right 'type' of player to be looking at
See above quote - they're the type of player that you're looking at assuming you're not going to qualify for the Champs League
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Danbert Nocurry
(iii) We are still in with a great shout for 4th. Losing the derbies in such awful fashion hurts like hell, but will it really matter if we finish 4th? No, not at all.
You've changed your tune! You are in with a good shout as we have to play Tottenham and so do you, but Spurs are the form team at the moment.
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Danbert Nocurry
(iv) We're nearly there - we are knocking very loudly on the door and sooner or later (probably sooner) we will bash it in. And you know it.
Do you know I've been hearing that all my life but I'm still waiting for City have to win a major trophy in my lifetime.
This seasons stats for Utd show Played 4 Won 3. NFT.
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TheHeathens
Do you know I've been hearing that all my life but I'm still waiting for City have to win a major trophy in my lifetime..
Indeed.........The loyalty shown by City fans over the last three decades is inexplicable, intangible. For me it's about sentiment, commitment and passion. In many ways we have been prisoners to these feelings and to the club colours.
Incidentally i also reckon United fans are prisoners. They are prisoners of results and if the results don't follow i don't think the fans will either.
Anyway.... regardless of whether we finish fourth or not we have still made huge strides forward in a relatively short space of time.
We have to remain patient which is tough but we'll never get a better chance to build something special and long-lasting.
The blue moon is rising and I believe we will get it right but if we do f**k it up then what have we lost really? We were sh*t before and no doubt we may be shit again but we'll always be City and we'll always be proud.
This club gets into your soul and under your skin in a way that no United fan could ever understand and boy does it hurt when it kicks you but we all know and always have done that one day our time will come. We're nearly there. :cool:
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Danbert Nocurry
This club gets into your soul and under your skin in a way that no United fan could ever understand
Sorry Danbert but that's absolute cr@p.
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TheHeathens
Sorry Danbert but that's absolute cr@p.
Over the last two decades, City, despite all our ups and downs, have remained a football club with loyal and true supporters, United, however, have turned themselves into a designer label and as we all know fashions come and go:eek:
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Danbert Nocurry
Over the last two decades, City, despite all our ups and downs, have remained a football club with loyal and true supporters, United, however, have turned themselves into a designer label and as we all know fashions come and go:eek:
Over the last SIX decades Utd have had the highest average attendances apart from when OT was being redeveloped and one or two years when Liverpool were top dogs. That included our stint in the old division 2.
Tell me Danbert, why did you only get 3007 for a first team game against Mansfield in 1998? FC Utd regularly get more than that for a Unibond game; could you see Old Trafford ever being that empty? Where were your loyal fans then?
City fans are sell-outs - You let your club be sold (without protest) to a human rights abuser in Shinawatra. Top fans.
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TheHeathens
Tell me Danbert, why did you only get 3007 for a first team game against Mansfield in 1998? FC Utd regularly get more than that for a Unibond game; could you see Old Trafford ever being that empty? Where were your loyal fans then?
:eek:
As it happens I was 1 of the 3007 and what you conveniently forget to mention is that the crowd of 3007 was for an Auto Windscreens Shield game when we were in Division 2, and that Joe Royle played mainly his fringe players that night. With no disrespect to the lower division clubs and the AWS, it isn't a competition that is going to get City fans excited or many other fans for that matter, in much the same way as the Full Members Cup failed to attract decent crowds at any ground when it was in existence.
Incidentally where was your biggest league crowd ever?
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Danbert Nocurry
:eek:
As it happens I was 1 of the 3007 and what you conveniently forget to mention is that the crowd of 3007 was for an Auto Windscreens Shield game when we were in Division 2, and that Joe Royle played mainly his fringe players that night. With no disrespect to the lower division clubs and the AWS, it isn't a competition that is going to get City fans excited or many other fans for that matter, in much the same way as the Full Members Cup failed to attract decent crowds at any ground when it was in existence.
3007 is still extremely poor for a first team game; Utd got more English fans travelling to the US for a pre-season tour. City fans are the self styled best fans in the world but Old Trafford would never be that empty whatever the level of the game.
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Danbert Nocurry
Incidentally where was your biggest league crowd ever?
What's the relevance of this question? It was 61 years ago!
You know it's at Maine Rd but would easily have been beaten by now if we didn't have all seater stadiums. When Utd extend OT over the railway then it'll go, so within the next decade.
Incidentally, when we were in division 2 and you were in division 1 our attendances were 15,000 better than yours, but we only have glory hunters don't we!? ;-)
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TheHeathens
, but we only have glory hunters don't we!? ;-)
Yes - the majority of whom don't even come from Manchester
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:)
