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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
No.. you go in as plucky under dogs.. little city who have risen from the bottom of the pile..
Or.. a team that spent 100 million.. on a team which were champions 12 months ago..
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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
No.. you go in as plucky under dogs.. little city who have risen from the bottom of the pile..
Or.. a team that spent 100 million.. on a team which were champions 12 months ago..
Should be a great match, no glory in beating Olympiakos :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Andre Villas-Boas out! they obviously don't like 5 goal thrillers at White Hart Lane :D
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Originally Posted by Alf
Precisely Alf. I think that the rags getting Olympiakos is brilliant.
Just imagine how it will look if we beat Barca and they get stuffed by Olympiakos who a few years ago in United minds would have only been there to make the numbers up.
Wee Davey is on a hiding to nothing.
Ideally though we would both win and draw each other later on - with us giving them another schooling both home and away. I could see a 10 nil score line over 2 legs :p
This season is getting to the stage where I am seriously thinking that if there is a God up there he has decided to pay us blues back for all those shit times we had but remained as loyal as you can be to a club that at the time became a laughing stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Well whose laughing now !!!
Yep you've certainly got the better draw here...
Have you heard a rumour!? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Well God's just taken Aguerro from you.. so hes got a sense of humour anyway..Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Shocked at AVB.. they sack Redknapp for finishing 4th, only missing out on CL qualification because of an unbelievably lucky final win by Chelsea..
And now Sack AVB after selling his best player. I want to know who the buys were? AVB's or Baldini's...
Not sure who will go next.. Capello? Could do a job but it wont be the Spurs way, he's not a fluid coach.
Hoddle? I'm not sure about him, out of the game for a long time..
Its a strange season though. There's only 6 points between Liverpool and Spurs.. and Liverpool have been flying.. its such a fine line, 2 humpings have made it look far worse than it is.
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Originally Posted by IainR
5 Live just stated that he's out for 4 weeks but will be back for Barca game.
If 5 Live say it, it must be true
Its certainly madness to rule your lot out IainR. If City start to get a head of steam away from home as well as at home they may take some stopping. Arsenal still seem a tad fragile, Chelsea too inconsistent and Liverpool too. Spurs have committed Hari-kari by the looks of things. Everton to nick it anyone?
The AVB decision looks weird when you consider they are above United in the league, but if you're getting thumped 5-0 and 6-0 in close succession by your supposed rivals and losing 3-0 at home to West Ham then clearly something isn't right.
Clearly it was going to take a while for the team to gel, especially with the amount of overpaid players they brought in, but some performances have been genuinely appalling and the manager has to take responsibility for that.
The players yesterday looked like they weren't playing for him - they were down to 10 men but there was no effort to even look proud in defeat. They just limply surrendered to the inevitable and if that's what the coach is instilling in them perhaps he had to go.
There's a few.. Everton and then Saints and Newcastle look strong.. with Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U and Chelsea a bit known. The most open season for a while. Chelsea look at long way off the old Mourinho team, too many of them are now getting past it.
I think City are favourites.
As I said, a cup, a last 4 last 8 in the CL and top 4 will be a decent start for Moyes.
Cup game wednesday could be crucial, need to win that. Fergie used the cups a few times to keep the winning mentality going, give the players confidence. I think Moyes will do the same.
OK I'll admit this one is your area of expertise...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
but I'm not certain if it was Baldini who picked the players.
AVB has gone from the brightest prospect in football management to finished in 120 games..
It's the second dressing room he has lost now..
Spurs should've ordered a portacabin, they could've got changed in there until someone handed it in:pQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Gianfranco Zola resigns at Watford
I wonder where he's going;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
I tried to explain to my missus that she needn't feel too sorry for him because they will have to pay up the remainder of his contract so he will be sat at home earning millions for doing eff all. She said if they are paying him anyway why don't they give him a few jobs to do round the groundQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Capello 11/4 Laudrup 3/1 Hoddle 7/1 with Sky Bet. Klinsmann could be worth a bet at 20/1Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Just stuck money on Pochettino, they seem to like looking to Southampton, Hoddle, Bale, Richards, Redknapp had a stint there etc. etc,.
Good news for Danbert, AVB is 16/1 second favourite to be City's next permanent manager, Pep Guardiola favourite at 8/1
Aguero will get a rest and a few games under his belt before facing Barcelona. Calf injuries can be tricky though so they don't want to rush him back. It just just needs Suarez to pick up an injury and that should even the odds all round. I have a feeling that the other City forwards will step up to the plate though now just as Welbeck has done in van Persie's absence. Should be an interesting month ahead.
I'm not too worried about Liverpool.. they've had a good season, City and Chelsea haven't.. yet are still in the hunt.. City, on form, are the best at the moment, Arsenal have been good but will always drop points against the stronger teams. So far they have failed major tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alf
Lets face if City had sorted there away form out this season would be all over now. Most years it would be. But City are still capable of silly performances away which have kept the league open.
I think Everton will struggle, we controlled the game against them but got caught out, but should have won that, at least a draw.. The Christmas period should sort the league out, I'll take 6th or higher come January 1st..
Has Fergie done a Busby?
Busby left United with a squad of ageing /average players and within a couple of seasons they were relegated!
So in comparison when Busby retired ( 1st time) 1969/70 Paul Edwards, Steve James, Carlo Sartori, Francis Burns, John Fitzpatrick, John Aston, Dave Sadler, Willie Morgan, relying on ageing Nobby Styles, Denis Law, Bobby Charlton, Paddy Crerand etc plus George Best (on the bladder) Brian Kidd, Alex Stepney and panic buy Willie Morgan .
Cleverley, Smalling, Anderson, Hernandez, Young, Fabio, Buttner, in comparison with those mentioned above and we take RVP and Rooney and Carrick I suppose as top class (like Best) Ferdinand,,Vidic, Evra,Giggs ageing and Panic buy Fellani.
Gotta say it looks very similar
Wilf McGuinness got Utd into two semi finals losing to City and Leeds narrowly.Finished 8th in the league.Which Moyes could very aspire to .
What do you reckon?
Come on Danbert.. you know that is so wrong it is untrue...Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
The average age is about the youngest in the league. Vidic and Ferdinand are far from our number 1 defensive pairing at the moment.
We have just won the league.. that team won the league in 67.. and were relegated in 1974... a couple of seasons..
He retired in 1969... write that post again.. with some factual accuracies then I'll waste 10 minutes destroying its content.. I'll let you off because you posted at 7 am.. I normally expect a tad better from you..
Look Mackay will get sacked by the looks of it, that will be 6 managers of 20.. add you lot sacking your manager for finishing second and thats 7 managers sacked, Pulis 8, Benitez, Adkins.. 10.. 50% of the managers have been sacked in the last 12 months.. on top of that Moyes left to come to us. 17 managers have been in their jobs less than 2 years..
We are a club with class.. Moyes will get a good few seasons. I'm not sure about Felliaini, but I dont think Moyes was to blame for the summer, Gill was a huge loss.
City are the new Spurs.. over expecting, sacking their manager every 18 months..
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Originally Posted by IainR
Rimmer. De Gea
Brennan. Rafeal
Foukles. Evans
Stiles. Vidic.
Burns. Evra
Morgan. Valencia
Crerand. Jones
Charlton. Carrick.
Best. Wellbeck
Law. Rooney
Kidd. RVP
On the left Busby's last game
On the right Moyes best team?
Much difference?
What? As in its 11 players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Rimmer was young but no where near the class of De Gea.. brennan in his 30;s, so is Evra but Evra is playing well, Foulkes was playing his last ever match? or close to.. Burns was young, but Rafael is young and a class player.. Morgan decent age, but Valencia is different player..
In those days you retired at 31/32.. Crerand was on his last legs by then. Best was also. Charlton was never capped again and also well in his 30's, law was 30,
Come on.. you could do the same for City. It is incomparable
Danbert I'd respect these wild ideas if you'd not been spent the last 5 years going tick tock as trophy after trophy came through Uniteds doors whilst at City Manager after manager made the opposite journey...
I cant say your predictions have been wholey accurate at all... this one is another desparate attempt to knock United because you hate the fact the club has too much class to be a sacking club like City, so youlot try to instill fear.. and its just not happening.. and that worries you. we are a stable club, and thats your biggest threat, its something you cant offer.
I've got some man city supporting mates at work. On any subject you care to mention they're completely placid, reasonable and coherent - just laid-back, professional family men in their 40s. Get them onto ManU though and they become bug-eyed, foaming, vein bulging, ranting nutters.
In fact I haven't seen a hatred for another team run so deep - even Leeds v Man U, Liverpool v Man U, Leeds v Chelsea, Chelsea v Millwall, Tottenham v Arsenal etc doesn't compare. It seems to be the combination of both the success and strutting arrogance of Man U and more importantly the belittling of City by Man U as being a complete irrelevance that most annoys the blues.
Makes for some entertaining Danbert posts though.
tick tock.
:D
Was it really that different to Liverpool bragging to United?Quote:
Originally Posted by crowhill
Generally the Man U city derby for me wasn't the same as Liverpool Man U.. but since I've been watching football, I'm 33 now, City haven't been up there apart from the last 5 years. So for me our rivalry with Liverpool was always greater. Its nasty with leeds but for different reasons.
City can never lay claim to being a top club.. Liverpool can.. they are our rivals.. city are the annoying oik in the corner wanting attention... that should rile Danbo some more.. :-)
You may be stable but it looks as though the horse has bolted!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
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Originally Posted by IainR
I wouldn't say its incomparable.
New manager after a supposed legend retires.
Young back four Kopel Burns James Edwards Greenhoff to replace and ageing defence Brennan Foulkes Stiles .
'Promising ' forwards Kidd Gowling Sammy Mac ,Sartori.
World class player George Best.
Crerand, Law, Charlton almost finished.
It's only hindsight that tells us the so called promising players weren't good enough, and the club at the time definitely didn't invest in top class players, and the manager didn't survive.
It's funny how history has a canny way of repeating itself.
Tick tock.
Spot on Crowhill, spot on.Quote:
In fact I haven't seen a hatred for another team run so deep - even Leeds v Man U, Liverpool v Man U, Leeds v Chelsea, Chelsea v Millwall, Tottenham v Arsenal etc doesn't compare. It seems to be the combination of both the success and strutting arrogance of Man U and more importantly the belittling of City by Man U as being a complete irrelevance that most annoys the blues.
You know what the big difference is? Those young players hadn't won much... ours have been there and done it. The average age is lower, we have a far stronger squad,Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Jones, Januzaj, Smalling, Rafael, Evans, Zaha, Welbeck, Cleverly, Powell, De Gea.. most of those players have won trophies.
Best wasn't world class by the end, he was sporadic and the drink finally caught up with him.
I think we learnt well from the post busby years, no chopping and changing, Fergie has stepped clear.
Maybe history will repeat itself... I'll take one relegation.. 20+ years no title then another 13 titles... will you take successive relegations and ?
TBH I think you are the next Blackburn, teams built on money, no togetherness... they plummet when things go bad, Leeds, Blackburn..
Don't think you can compare City with Blackburn. Despite their history Blackburn don't have the fan base of City, they're not even the biggest club in East Lancs. This was epitomised in the Jack Walker funded title year by the chant 'you wanna buy some supporters' they heard at many groundsQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Look if Danbo can make those comparisons it must be National Wild Comparisons Day....Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
United are incomparable now to 1971-1974.. anyone who knows about football, even a city fan, knows that.
The fan base, infrastructure, recent success, average age of the team, its all good..
We do have debt but we get stronger as a business and as you say City have a fan base.. which is what owners exploit.. so say the glazers default, new owners step in.. our Fanbase is many times that of City's.
I know Danbo thinks Man U struggle the fans dissapear.. do they? year on year our attendances, even when relegated, eclipse that of City...
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/wp-...Attendance.JPG
"Interesting facts
- United have had a higher average attendance than City EVERY SINGLE SEASON since 1947.
- When City won the league in the 1968, they had the 6th highest attendance in the country. United had the highest average attendance of 57,552, more than 10,000 higher than any club that season.
- When United were playing in Division 2 during the 1974-1975 season, they still had the highest average attendance of any club in the country, including Division 1.
- City have had a higher average attendance ranking than they have average league position every decade.
- Between 1946 and 1949 United played at Maine Road whilst reconstruction work was being done on Old Trafford after the bombings in the war. In the first season, when City won the league, United had an average attendance of 4,662 more than City at their own stadium. In the second season, United had an average attendance of 12,165 more than City at their own stadium. In the third season, United had an average attendance of 10,109 more than City at their own stadium.
- United have a higher average attendance than City for every decade since the 1940′s.
- Between 1947 and the year before the Munich Air Disaster, there was an average of almost 7,000 more United fans attending games than City.
- City were a more successful club on the pitch than United in the 1970s, yet there was a difference of over 13,000 in our average attendances, with United the best supported club of the decade."
The clubs like United and Liverpool have a secure future. It is labelled as arrogance but the club as a whole is worth more than it possibly could be stripped down, other clubs didn't have that... only a few clubs in World football have it.
City dont and never will. they have big crowds now because they are winning.. all clubs have their share of glory supporters, but I think the scousers have shown many actually do stick around...
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Originally Posted by IainR
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It seems United are the only club with any class...
You keep talking about class. The fact is that most rags, know absolutely nothing about the 'classless' treatment of the Munich survivors and families by this most classy of football clubs. That's because it's been carefully airbrushed out of the clubs official club history. All the time of course this most classy of clubs have been milking the tragedy for commercial gain ever since. :mad:
Class don't talk to me about class.
But United have a completely different fan base now compared with 74. In those days if you supported a club you got a glimpse of them on Match of the Day till you were old enough to go to matches. Now United have a generation most of whom know nothing but success, always have to have the latest shirt, rarely miss a game on Sky but have never been to Old Trafford. This lot will soon be offski when it all goes tits up under MoyesyQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
http://i43.tinypic.com/j10gef.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
I went to Old Trafford many moons ago with Villa. The biggest abuse for the home fans was for the large number with banners saying “Midland Reds”! (The other abuse was for the poor lady that looked like Vera Duckworth and spotted by the away fans!!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Head
Never understood why they didn’t support a midlands team????
I really can't see Man U slipping much below the top six in the next decade. As IainR says, the game has changed far too much. If I'm honest, as a 'Dirty' Leeds supporter, of course I'd love to see them fall to the depths we did, but it just isn't going to happen. There are far to many monied people out there that would take the club on because at the end of the day its a money machine! We on the other hand have much the reverse, we will now always struggle to maintain a position in the PL (...if we ever get back there!?) due to the glass ceiling of the four big clubs blocking the way. Spurs are more likely to fall than man U and I also doubt very much that they will. It cost a fortune to finish just mid-table, Man U will always now have the cash to at least do that.
Which midlands team ever gets into the Champions League?
You're right of course, but that's not the way modern football fans seem to think.
But that won't be good enough for the prawn sandwich brigade, they aren't like the old football fans as we know them, they need constant success or they will be f**king off quick style.Quote:
Originally Posted by that_fjell_guy
The hard core fans will remain, i've not got a problem with them, it stands to reason that out of a home crowd of 70,000 by the law of average there must be some decent fans but the majority are undoubtably c*nts