Possibly a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway. What about the trod after Grindsbrook?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
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Possibly a stupid question, but I'll ask anyway. What about the trod after Grindsbrook?Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
The trod is not on the skyline so I guess out of bounds
Just seen this new route. What's the thinking behind it, anyone know? I did this in 2014 and 2015 and I'm in again for this year.
I assume the Win Hill kink into the forest is to make up the out+back to Grindslow Knoll missing?
Gr.Knoll was a terrible place to be a marshal in 2015!
I see the Mam Nick cut off time is extended to 3hrs as a result. I'll likely be on a first half recce tomorrow
Ignorance is bliss sshhhhhQuote:
Originally Posted by nutkey
we were talking about it last night, the removed Grindslow deviation came after the decision to put the extra climb in. Now that Brown Knoll is paved we wanted to make it a bit harder/rougher again. also the ES was always on the cusp of A or B status...with the extra climb its definitely an AQuote:
Originally Posted by drmorris
Well the first 'half' is definitely further, and harder than last time! I made it 12.7 miles but I might have had a couple of minor navigational clarifications. The jink through the forest was surprisingly easy to find but it is a muddy, rocky track, and the climb out is notable.
There's a trod I found immediately on leaving the forest which goes almost directly to the summit of Win Hill. Access land, so must be fair game?
I need to speed up, as with dog, map, snacks, photos, rests etc it took me 3:30 to get to mam nick, but I know on the day that I won't stop at all and the course should be marked by the 85% of the field in front of me!
There is a your developing through the bracken on the way of Hope Brink too.
Lovely day out.
said trod is used on the Hope Wakes race so presume so.Quote:
Originally Posted by drmorris
The Pete Bland map of the old route has a text box covering what I presume is the new climb up to Win Hill. Will this now be unacceptable for kit check? Will there be a new version produced?
Likely will be recce'ing the 2nd half on Friday. Looks cold.
checkpoint 8 has moved as well, no? It looks to be a good bit (600m?) further west than previously.
Used to be able to drop off Rushup Edge from CP8 just after Lord's Seat and curve around to the ruined wall and sheepfold to the cairn crossing Chapel Gate track; my 2015 DIY map shows the 'bearing' was to head for the turrets of the Cowburn air shaft (295deg) before turning N 315deg for the slog across Colbourne.
As I haven't been over Colbourne to Brown Knoll since the 2015 race, I assume CP8 is now at the head of Chapel Gate track to link with a path across the bogmonster's home?
the bog monster has a dirty great slabbed path across it now. Takes away all the fun (it was this section that won me the race a few years back)
If the bog monster's hungry enough the slabs will get eaten, then it'll be double jeopardy - sink like before then gouge shins on submerged slabs, like happens on Rombald's Moor.
Never done this, but am strangely tempted? Good to make a change, and who know - it might be fun. What are the nav challenging bits please? I may be able to do a bit of a recce 4/5th March,as I'm in the paradise that is Buxton then; if anyone fancies acting as a guide dog, but then I might do Cloud 9 for a laugh
In The Rambler after a recce of the second half.
It's further down Rushup Edge than you think to the junction with Chapel Gate(1.75 miles from Mam Nick), but after that it's not exactly challenging navigation now is it?
Never found Brown Knoll trig so easily - and with dry feet!
Got the kahtoolas on by the Wool Packs and speed and confidence increased.
Sun's almost out now but at 10:30 it was -1C in the car park, and there was light snow showers all the way round, but more than a light dusting on most of the paths making it tricky to see what you were putting your feet on. More snow forecast tmrw.
On on!
Possibly, give me a shout nearer the day, we used to do a forum reccieQuote:
Originally Posted by MattPo
Done a recce from Edale to Mam Nick today where I sacked it off with the weather conditions getting worse and headed back to Edale down the trod of shame!!! Got to Mam Nick in 2-55 so it will be quite tight for me with the 3hr cut off on the day!!
You'll have others to pull you around wazzy, no problem.
Hi Wazzy, Was it you I was running with for a while today. agree it got quite bad. the new dip down before Win Hill was a tad muddy. a fine alternative to Brown KnollQuote:
Originally Posted by wazzy
No it wasn't me you were talking to Ian as I know you. There were a number of runners out today considering the conditions. I agree with you regarding the path you drop down to before the climb up Win Hill, it is very muddy!!
Now that the route has changed does this mean that the winners this year will be the record holders?
you would hope they recognise records over the new route whilst maintaining the 'old course' records as a historical document.
Ha Ok, I was running with a mixed couple from Pennine, they did say there were some faster Pennine guys ahead?Quote:
Originally Posted by wazzy
Hulleymonster was out with his cousin on Saturday. I suppose he counts as a faster Pennine ;)
Aagh! the race is full now and I'm 9th on the waiting list. Fingers crossed for an entry.
When I did my recce a couple of weeks back, rather than go through the forest gate at Wooler Knoll, I stayed high on the path round the forest edge until the two fences join in a right angle at about 187856 and then went down through the woods. This path is shown on the old Edale Skyline map that I was using - but not on the OS map or Open Streetmap, which would have you go round to the fellgate at 188855 - and although there was a clear path, the gate at 187856 was definitely not opening for me, I had to hop it. I'm guessing this route is probably OOB for the race, probably OOB full stop given the gate...Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Nutkey, think you’ve got a typo there. That gate ref “SK 187 256”, should be “SK 187 856”?Quote:
Originally Posted by nutkey
I was up there today to have a look myself, pretty wet and windy. I think it must have been gusting around 50mph. Could hardly stand up on the top of Win Hill and much tree damage was evident between Hope Cross and Wooler Knoll.
I also stayed out of the woods passed CP4 (gate into woods) and continued along the edge of the fence/wall, but before you get to the gate Nutkey refers to, you arrive at a stile (SK 178 857), go over, then immediately on your left is another stile which will take you into the woods. Contour around a small clough for about 50 yards before descending more sharply and you will see the remains of a very old logging track. Stay high and to the right initially as there is a large fallen tree blocking the way. Once passed, drop onto the old track and follow it to the bottom (will only take 1-2 mins most). You are then on the main track marked on the map. Follow that around to CP5 (SK 190 859), but on the way as you get nearer to that be careful not to miss a small path/trod off to your right, otherwise you will descend too far and only have to climb back up further around the corner.
The climb up out of the woods from CP5 is straightforward, a bit of mud, nothing too steep. Emerge from the woods, a few yards further and you go through a gate. From here the paths go left and right, but there is a clear and obvious trod which takes a direct line to the summit of Win Hill. It’s not as steep as I expected and is good underfoot, so must be quicker than taking the path which follows the fence/wall edge.
See my actual route plot and comments for more details.
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Myself and a mate recce'd it today, fair to say conditions were not the best!!
Mark. I think you have misunderstood the idea of a reccie...:)
Yeah, maybe I've got carried away a bit. However, I've received some great race advice on here before. Just wanted to try and give back a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Enjoy your race with your new knowledge Mark.
But giving away my secret lines is a bit much..:)Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkClayton
Sorry Ian, now I understand ��
The only part of the route I am still unsure about is the point where you drop down in to Hope off the path from Win Hill. Yesterday we just ran down through Twitchhill farm and up the road in Hope and up Lose Hill.
I think they normally have a marshal at that point directing people, or at least some tape/markings.Quote:
Originally Posted by wazzy
There will be a Marshal in place, normally you run passed them on the higher route to Win Hill but with the new climb you won't see them until you get there. its a steep descent. good studs required for the bottom sectionQuote:
Originally Posted by wazzy
There are notes on the website. It doesn't go through Twitchhill Farm http://www.dpfr.org.uk/pages/view/skyline
Look for ROUTE on the tabs and scroll down to the map showing the route off Win Hill
No spoilers here as it was marshalled last time I ran it:
Off Win Hill, you run W then NW on the wide track, through the obvious gateway-without-a-gate until you start thinking "I've gone too far..." as the path goes obviously more downhill and starts to curve away right.
At that point, not quite 1 mile from Win Hill summit you turn 90deg left, west(there is a faint trod through the heather, but there will be a marshal on the day), LoseHill/ Mam Tor ahead of you across the valley - look down and you'll see the trod through the bracken after the heather section, which goes all the way to the reinforced 3-strand electricity pole at the North end of the farm wall/ corner. On the OS there's a spot height at 239m which is your target(although the electricity pole is more visible :-) )
Drop onto the lane, through the gate and to Townhead via Fulwood Stile Lane and under the railway bridge. *Drink station usually about here*
Turn right(NW, don't turn left, south, into Hope!) and follow the path up to Townhead, signposted to the hotel(or spa?) and then find the muddy ginnel of a path to Lose Hill and dig in for along uphill...
Hi,
I am after advice for the best route from checkpoints 4 to 5, any help appreciated.
Cheers Arthur
Does anyone know roughly the distance and ascent to the two cutoff points? 3 hours at Mam Nick and 4 hours at Edale Cross? Thanks.
12.0 miles & 3,400 ft to Mam Nick, then a further 4.2 miles and 595 ft to Edale Cross.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTangoViking
Very helpful, thanks. Good to get an idea of the challenge ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkClayton
Very enjoyable run round the course yesterday, greatly helped by the weather with lots of sunshine and fine views to a soundtrack by skylarks. It was a bit damp underfoot and some snow. Started from Mam Nick and met a lot of High Peak Marathon teams - shame about their generator on Win Hill. Great run on a nice route, just hope I get a place from the reserve list.