I knew Tan would sack him cos all the sines were there!:DQuote:
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I knew Tan would sack him cos all the sines were there!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
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Originally Posted by IainR
Off the top of my head I remember Andy Hinchcliffe, David White, Steve Redmond and Paul Lake were all products of City's youth policy and more importantly they all featured in the demolition 5 - 1 derby when united fans were shouting for Bacon-faces head.
http://youtu.be/ixkhac26SwI
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Originally Posted by Swoop
Log out :cool:
Just thought I would make a few trig points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry
Thnaks Danbert.. you go back in history (25 years!! to name 4).. I name last weeks team.. all key players this year. The home grown rule is no issue for us, name yours in this squad?
Geronimo.. great cutting response.. with no detail or info.. in other words you know sod all.. just want to wade in with no actual debate.. at least Danbo knows his city... well the mercenaries who represent them.. step up or shut up eh?
Good one swoop.. :-)
Anyway, Danbo for a review of history and what youth gives you.. here's a taster..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qdfBgckbYA
You do get a trickle through Iain but no more than most other teams.
All the quality in your team came through the cheque book.
Come on Stagger that is wrong.. Name 5 home grown players for top 6 teams in the last 2-3 years..
United easy, ignoring 92 class.. we always bring through 1-2 every few years.. and they get game time.. when do City and Chelsea provide that?
Everton you can.. credit to Moyes...
Liverpool you can.. just.. few make it but they do try...
Arsenal, City, Spurs and Chelsea you can't...
Lower down West Ham do, off hand I struggle to think who does. Yes United have stability to do that, but even under Moyes Januzaj has had game time.. it speaks volumes about the clubs investment in youth and belief in youth going back to the Babes.. City just cannot commit like that.
At United Moyes has gone for Smalling and Evans over Vidic and Rio.. people moan about about lack of english talent than attack United constantly who blood more english players than anyone.. who was the last household name to break through at City? Richards 5-10 years ago? Hart was bought in... they even relocated Hennesey, his dad quit his job.. so he lived within FA rules... yet he never got the chance..
I would give the cardiff city job to phil brown he has experience of working in the premiership with a ridiculous tanQuote:
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Originally Posted by Swoop
Sin, Cos and Tan are all at a party. While Sin and Cos are on the dance floor they see Tan sitting in the corner looking sad. They walk over to Tan and ask what's wrong, to which Tan replies "I don't Integrate well".
I should have put it in better context. As the biggest, richest most successful team in the country over the last 25years, your has nowt special to bang on about.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
There are clubs like West Ham, Southampton and I would say even Everton all have a better youth success rate than your lot.
Lets not forget all top clubs usually pluck the good kids from lower league outfits and then ditch most of them.
I don't think that is true, yes we get young players, everyone does, everyone poaches clubs below them, you see it in the league. Everton moan on at Utd poaching their players, then they go and raid the likes of Wigan..
But young players come to us because they get game time early on, if good enough they play, at City that just does't happen. Would any other club have sold their 3 best players, popular with fans, to play 18-19 year olds in their place? If you are good enough you play, but you also get developed. They take a long term view because we have stability. Look at De Gea, Danbo was abusing him at will that first year, we stuck with him, developed him, now have one of the best keepers in the world. We buy to develop as well as develop within.. and have the team spirit from that.
You can lay at lot at Uniteds door not leading youth development isn't one of them
Southampton and west ham have done well too. But United have shown how advantageous it is,financially as well.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...ootball/page/8
http://www.givemesport.com/376858-ma...th-development
The fact noone answered my question re kids on other teams says it all. Geronimo can have his rants.. but actually had no response..
41 points in the bag for City. We should (hopefully) be safe for another season. :)
1-0 defeat for us today... Stenhouse Muir too strong for the mighty Brechin City, good pies though, bloody cold at Glebe Park, new flatter pitch.. pie at the start, pie at half time, and a nice soup... £12 entry for Scotland League 1...
Heard United won, gave up with them.. no appeal now the trophies have dried up..
Iain, you've got to bear in mind that the lad is from Yorkshire so football knowledge obviously won't be his strong pointQuote:
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Fine post IainQuote:
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Iain, you've got to bear in mind that the lad supports a Lancashire club so football knowledge obviously won't be his strong pointQuote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Very good!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Rabbit
that was a cracking game... 95th min equaliser... think cardiff have lost a lot of neutral fans...
RE players coming through the system, from Arsenal you could argue Jack Wilshire hasn't done badly. Ashley Cole is another decent example. Arsenal get many at very young ages and work with them, Gibbs at 17, Jenkinson young (think 18 or 19). There was a dearth of English talent coming through but Wenger has taken youngsters through and if you look at some of Arsenals league cup teams,from previous years, quite a few have gone onto have careers, although maybe not at Arsenal.
http://www.nextgenseries.com/en/Clubs/Arsenal
says that sine Arsenal got academy status in 1998/9, 'close to 50 players have had first team experience'
Wilshere, Gibbs and Jenkinson have come through..
TBF to Wenger he has bought more UK players through in the past 2-3 years.. I was thinking abut that today.
Cole was a long time a go..
Man U have had a home grown player in the squad for every game since 1937... nearly 4000 games... that's a historic commitment to bringing players through and is unrivalled in the UK if not world football. Also watch any game and you see ex-youth players, today Bardsley and Campbell playing in the 5:30 game..
At the moment we are 8th in Europe in the number of first team players who came through the youth set up..
Check out
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/prem...transfers.html
shows all the transfers in and out, think IainR, you can do pretty well with Arsenal players still in decent level of the game, Anthony Stokes at Celtic isn't bad, Steve Sidwell is doing okay and I'd say the ex Arsenal keeper Mannone played well vs Everton on boxing da. In fact quite a few keepers leave arsenal and don't do badly, Marshall, Stack and Almunia, never hit the heights but have okay careers.
Look at that website and you can see the shocking level of spending from City and Chelski!!
I think you are getting a bit confused darling, geronimo supports the scousers and we got shot of them 40 years ago along with the mancsQuote:
Originally Posted by Miss July
78 games since utd last conceded a penalty.
You decide.
Agree Diara.. when you look at money spent.. the fact that City and Chelsea won so little is incredible..
Wenger has done superb, the fact he was questioned was a disgrace... a great manager.. United fans have hated him but you cant fault his belief in youth and passing football. Him, Fergie, and Jose forced the league to another level.. despite what is said I think the English game is far far better for him and jose,,
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Originally Posted by Richard Head
Anyway Lanky Lad, I'd like to have your thoughts on this. Mourinho and Wenger may have brought on the English game, but wouldn't you agree there are too many foreign players in the Premier League these days?
There is, however I think thats the failing of our youth system. We just don't bring through technical intelligent players, all we'd do by banning or restricting numbers is take the english game back to the 80's.
I watched Brechin yesterday, one touch football.. hoof... hoof.. brechin had a front line of nice technical players, young lads, slight, short but fast... yet the were still hoofing balls at them... everything wrong about the British system was highlighted.. they had a freekick, 10 mins to go one nil down, you looked across the bck line and every player gave 2-3 inches on his marker, and the centre back just floats a high ball up.. just incredible.
I like the 4 home grown players in the squad rule, encourage the development. However Wenger has changed and realises the value of english players and those that make it are far better now.. wilshere et al. Strangely the best thing to happen has been the stupid prices, its forced clubs to invest in youth. At the moment I think the english gave is healthier than is made out at the 20-25 level. Maybe not in numbers but in quality technical players.
Perhaps you'd want to go back to the days of the 1880's when players had to live within 4 miles of their club's ground for 3 years before they could play in the FA Cup. That was brought in to stop the Lancashire clubs dominating by bringing in players from Yorkshire and Scotland. Just as in those days as long as they were winning Preston fans weren't bothered that half the team were jocks, Arsenal and Chelsea fans aren't bothered where the players are from as long as they win some silverware.Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss July
Thing is when a team is winning people rarely care who the players are, where they are from and how they play..
When you start losing it matters if you at least have players who care for the shirt, players brought up in the club playing good football.. Chelsea were a perfect example under Jose first time around, it was when they started losing Roman suddenly wanted better football..
Its why City go through so many managers, when they win they don't care they are paying £45 to watch 11 mercenaries with no link to the club, when the lose they easily turn on the players and manager.. and the manager goes... then the pantomime starts all over again..
Compare and contrast with United.. we are going through a bad spell yet Moyes still gets sung about and has the OT support...
I loved it in the 90's when the Rams has some local-ish lads playing. iirc Lee Carsley was a Derby fan, born in domtown
You mean back to the era where English teams won 4 European Cups in 5 years, that would be a backward step wouldn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
When was the last time a team won a trophy with a team of local lads? Starting with Blackburn Olympic winning the FA Cup helped by players poached from Sheffield, then the Scottish influx in the late 1800's, through to modern days where most of the great teams I can remember were boosted by Scottish, Welsh and Irish players. What's the difference between those imports and those of today. As long as they are of the right character and quality players who gives a shite where they are from
Ok late 80's... but even then the football is far lower than now, and remember club success did not tally with international success.. not by a long shot.. so trying to say the english game was healthier then doesn't really add up...
In fact the mid 70's to mid 80's was our worst period in the history of our international football....
Basically group stages at most, normally didn't qualify, only once did we make the second round in that period..
72,74,76,78 didn't qualify, 80 group stages, 82 second group stage, 84 didn't qualify....
From 98 > now we have been latter stages at most championships... semi's or 1/4s 5 times in the last 16 years pre-2012...
I hope you say the same for all immigrants coming to work in this country, or does that run counter to your UKIP/BNP/EDL views?Quote:
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Don't think I've ever expressed any UKIP views mateQuote:
Originally Posted by Miss July
Todays football... not todays politics....
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Originally Posted by IainR
You watch City on Sky....
at OT.. well in the exec lounges where my parents have season tickets we are all in support.. I was chatting to a few others over last weeks prawn sandwiches..
Last week we had Lee Martin.. with his FA cup medal and all, came over for a chat and the missus wanted her turkey then so we missed a chat.. tbf though United do use ex-players well now as ambassadors.
I'd take the England team from that era over this one any time. 1986 - World Cup quarter finalists, knocked out only by the brilliance (and villainy!) of Maradona. 1990 - World Cup semi finalists.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Well we didn't have a good qualifying record.. also 88,92,94 were also awful years. For a 20 year period we had a pretty awful qualification history...
I think we have a genuinely good squad now, with Welbeck and Sturridge we have genuine pace up front with Rooney..
We lack a world class centre mid but otherwise I think we're in decent shape now.
I do think the EC was easier to win than the CL.. now you have to face Madrid and Barca.. right now the Italians aren't around but the German clubs are a lot stronger... but then again the Eastern teams were much stronger then. Now Europe is dominated by Spain, England, Germany and Italy.. it's hard to see a winner outside of them really..
I just think the cream rises to the top, we may have less in terms of numbers but we are still producing and our league teams are putting the effort in. The FA didn't help, appointing that muppet Wilkinson as technical director set our youth development back a decade...
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I've got a season ticket and have had one for the last 40 years.
Another one coming through United's famous youth academy, at a mere £50 million, if you believe the story?
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ey-6452643
That's bound to be true... if its in the papers.. it's not like we've been connected with every centre mid in western europe or anything...
A city fan making comments about ludicrous spending....
Come on Danbert, up your game a bit...
Anelka is in for a huge ban, that comedian has come out in support.. probably the worst possible thing for him.. I reckon 10-15 matches..