No you wont :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert
People don't usually put their feet in dogshit, human piss or broken galss just because they're wearing shoes :confused:
Anyway, dogcrap is probably good for the skin :D
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No you wont :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert
People don't usually put their feet in dogshit, human piss or broken galss just because they're wearing shoes :confused:
Anyway, dogcrap is probably good for the skin :D
DanBert
Barefoot does mean your senses are more alive, this includes your eyes.
You are very aware of where you are going to put your feet and you avoid anything that looks bad, to be fair its not so easy in the dark.
Recently found this online, thought it might be of interest to all of the barefoot natural running nutters.
If Jackson Williams pulls off what he's planning to do it would be amazing - 2500 miles across Austrailia barefoot, sounds crazy, but I love it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/active/69...oot-in-it.html
This sort of exposure is great in my mind, it seems like we're seeing BF running go from beyond a fad, to the beginning of acceptance... Who knows people might start suspecting that paying £130 for a top range running shoe might, just might be a load of marketing bollocks.
More Barefooting from the Telegraph today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/6...n-useless.html
(if the link doesn't work it's in Science News on their homepage)
Is this the same guy that was the subject of this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twister
Ouch
http://groups.google.com/group/huara...6c6bc5d5cadb92
Looks like the video is not on Youtube anymore. You'll see that his running form was a bit of controversy...
Do I have your permision to disobey to the last part? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
Fully on board with the whole concept and waiting for the ground to be a little less white before I can get my tootsies out again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
However when having to where shoes I stick to my faithful 330 which are coming to the end of their usable life as I have almost worn down the studs. Is there any news on the launch of the new barer footed edition to the Inov-8 family, can I hang on with my old 330's or am I going to need to buy an interim pair
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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker
Im afraid you will have to wait a while so an interim pair is the answer.
I will ofcourse let you know when we launch the new ones:D
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Originally Posted by bfluc
Hey the good thing is there is plenty of choice in the market:)
Lots of brands offering lots of different things to aid ( and sometimes hinder) our running.:D
Or go for the full barefoot experience if you can get away without any underfoot protection.
Loads of choices....Enjoy:cool:
I might have to travel in order to received from your hands the brand new one I am so anxiuosly waiting to be able to say I own 'em... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
I'm looking forward to this as well, but until then I'm loving the 285's (worn without insoles) okay not as minimalist as some shoes but they work well for me. I am looking forward to some warmer days so I can wedge a bit more BF/VFF training into my schedule.
Ok thanks lets hope its just 1 interim pair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
I have just come across the barefoot running concept and this thread and intuitively it seems to make sense.
I'm not quite ready to take the plunge for a pair of VFF, I notice a few people run with the insoles removed from their shoes. How does this affect the fit? Is it a case of just pulling the laces a bit tighter or buying a smaller size shoe?
I run in size 10 inov8's insoles in or out. I can't believe I had it any other way, the shoes feel pretty much the same tightness
rightyho,
i've decided to chip in.
after reading lots about barefoot/minimalism and all that recently and not really being too sure what I make of it all, but having an inkling that it probably makes a lot of sense and is therefore actually a good idea, i decided to experiment this morning.
most of my running is done on the road in asics ds trainers (fairly light, bit of medial support), or asics gel 3000s (bit more cushioning and a bit more support than the ds). i prefer running in the ds as they're a bit lighter and i feel that i run more smoothly, and faster, in them, but use the gel 3000s as i've been told they're good for my feet. i get the odd niggly ache, but i am increasing my mileage as i'm marathon training, so reckon that's to be expected.
this morning i went out in my ds trainers but took the thin foam liner insole bit out. the laces needed pulling a little tighter than normal, but other than that the fit was fine. i did a little under 6 miles in a little over 42 minutes and felt OK. without the liner the footbed is harder, but not uncomfortable, but i found that i was mid-foot landing, rolling through from the outside to the inside of my forefoot more than i would usually. so it would seem that a harder landing does make your foot work harder to support yourself (but in a good way). or, i was more aware of it so was compensating myself.
then after my run i walked around the block of flats where i live barefoot. the interesting thing was that though i usually have low arches when standing still, i was walking more on the outside of my feet and the dirt pattern on my soles looked more like the "normal" pattern on the famed Runners World wet towel test.
So with less protection, my foot strike was better.
Or so it seems.
Perhaps.
I do all my runs in F LITE 230’s or VFF KSO’s both are awesome. I used to run in Asics Gel Kayano but after so many injuries I ditched them for a more minimal approach. I find the 230’s are a perfect transitioning trainer. I’ve recently purchased some F LITE 220’s for a desert run I have coming up as the uppers seem slightly more durable. But I can’t wait for the VFF Bikila to come out in March they look like the perfect all rounder.
right.
did a 10 mile tempo this eve, with a 2 mile warm down. for the last 2 miles, i took my shoes off. it hurt a little bit, but not much.
there is definitely something in this barefoot malarkey...
Just listening to R2 over dinner and the news has just quoted an American study saying that compared to barefoot runners, runners using cushioned shoes are at greater risk of injury. Is barefoot running now mainstream?;)
There was an article on Radio 5 Live today & then something on BBC1 news at 6pm.
The tide is turning:)
Here is the link for the item.
I've been very interested to read this thread as for a while I have thought that it cannot be right for running shoes to 'insulate' us from natural terrain and to attempt to make every footstrike identical to the last. To do so, I am sure, produces the repetitive strain type injuries so common in runners. Paradoxically (to non fell runners), fell running places us at less risk of arthritis of the hips and knees than road running because of the continually varying terrain, footstrike, and load bearing on the larger joints.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8483401.stm
Running Scared
http://www.runningquest.net/
Not posted on here for a while, just saw the thread..My input on Barefoot/Minimal shoe running.
Started using VFF's back in August and my beloved X-Talons without the footbed. Initial response was that shedding the cushioned shoe's makes you run in a more natural way. Took a couple of weeks to adjust the soles of the feet to rough terrain but I now look on this as getting a free foot massage.
I now only run in VFF's and X-Talons (no footbed), mainly Dark Peak area and tend to favour my X-Talons in wet, slippery conditions.
Running - I have re-evaluated my style and as a result I am now more interested in form and travelling more efficiently on foot. Seeing more enroute and enjoying the experience more!
I cover 30+ miles a week, the longest run in my VFF's being the Saddleworth Five Trigs (20 miles'ish).
Barefoot/Minimal shoe travel has opened up a new world for me!
Will certainly be interested in Inov8's addition to the minimal shoe market.
See you out there :)
Thats really good! Did you ever have any stone bruising issues? I think my initial problem was doing too much too soon in VFF, I went from 3-4 barefoot miles a week to doing a full 12 miler on fell/trails... So I went back to running in inov8 Xtalons, then decided that theses were too minimal for the amount of miles I was putting in [training for an Ultra] and went up another level to the 285's (Both without the foot-beds). I've recently started back on the VFF for my recovery runs of about 2-3 miles and this feels very nice indeed, and I'm back in the Xtalons again so I'm going to hopefully build up slower, my goal is to run distance, and by this I mean +26 milers completely barefoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alphin
Like you I'm waiting patiently for the new inov8's and hope that they may come out a bit earlier than July as we leave the country the first week of July for good...:) (sooner if Cameron gets in)
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Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
This is a very interesting article and a great Blog.
Check out this from Brooks...
http://talk.brooksrunning.com/2010/0...ceo-jim-weber/
http://www.brooksrunning.com/media/F...ewo_letter.pdf
I have now taken to litterally running barefoot... no shoes... and will be building this up once the weather gets a bit better and once I am well enough to run again... (recovering from a very bad chest infection that turned to pneumonia and caused transverse myelitis) :):):)
In the meantime, x-talons and f-lite 230's all the way :)
Day off today (see my post in health for details!) So have been surfing the net
here's a good link for all barefoot fans out there...
http://www.youtube.com/NatureVideoCh...gl=GB&hl=en-GB
Some really nice slow motion stuff :)
I've run up to 30 miles so far wearing VFF Treks on training runs and have found them a great training tool. My cadence has increased and I'm a lot lighter on my feet now. Depending on the course (sharp rock paths do hurt when trying to go flat out), I have also found that I've caught up with my old race times but without the aches and pains I used to suffer in shods. I still go back to my X-Talons when the terrain calls for it. When you're going flat out descending the side of a cliff, the X-Talons offer a little more protection (not cushioning) from the sharp objects out there. I've tried this in my Treks before and been unlucky enough to land on a few razor like rocks and stones, and they hurt! So I'll use Treks for most of my training and the X-Talons for racing.
Hi,
Im fascinated by this thread and fascinated with all things evolution, i totally agree with the minimal shoe choice, ive seen the light since buying my most recent pair of shoes, flyroc 310, and im intrigued to see what inov8 are cooking up. I cant believe some of you guys go fell running totally barefoot, i cant even walk the length of the garden path barefoot. i assume the feet toughen up eventually.
We evolved to stand upright and run after food, so i think the comments regards dropping out of the sky from any height are missing the point.
That said, im still an over protective father. My nine year old daughter wants me to take her running, she's extreemly flat footed and her lower legs kick out when walking and running.
Is the minimalist approach the best way when there is an underlying heath issue, is it possible she'll strengthen the week points that cause her to be flat footed, or should i be an hippocrite and buy her some suportive shoes.
I dont want her to lose interest because im bleating on about running technique, she's becoming more and more female by the day and reluctantly takes advice from any man.
Any advice will be appreciated.
cheers
Mark
I wish Inov-8 will make a trail shoe like this: http://www.newbalance.com/products/MT100/
It has more support in the arch than in the heel, for midfoot strikers.
SpyrosQuote:
Originally Posted by Spyros76
It's worth noting that an Arch is an extremely strong structure, it's fairly difficult to break an arch by pushing down from above.
If you want to break or weaken an arch you would push it from underneath.
Now think of your feet, the arch of the foot is one of the strongest parts of our body.
If you put stiffners or supports under the arch of your foot you are not allowing the muscles/tendons/ligaments to work as nature intended.
We will leave other companies to go down the route of supportive, heavily cushioned, pillared & posted footwear.
Lots of companies are now jumping on the barefoot/minimalist band wagon because of all the press & current buzz.
Inov-8 have always since the company formed in 2003 stuck to our princiles of letting the foot perform as nature intended.
Were driving the wagon that others are now jumping on:D
Another preview of minimal Inov-8 shoes http://www.gobroncobilly.com/?p=255
and an ultra light shoe my Mizuno: http://www.mizunousa.com/equipment.n...t=10run1-track
You might have read or heard something in the medias about this study
The Effect of Running Shoes on Lower Extremity Joint Torques
http://www.pmrjournal.org/article/S1...367-7/abstract
another study got published in Nature
Foot strike patterns and collision forces in habitually barefoot versus shod runners
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08723.html
Dr. Lieberman gives a summary of their findings, which they try to explain in simple terms on this website:
http://barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/index.html
Have fun running barefoot or not! :D
Luc
The Mizuno Universe is supposed to be an awesome shoe. POSE and minimalistic runners rave about them. Shame you can't get them in the UK :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyros76
Why isn't there a trail "racing flat" out there? The Mizuno Universe, AdiPro Zero and Asics Pirahna are all sub 140g. Would it add that much weight to replace the sole unit with some lugs :confused:
I would also like to see a Roclite lighter than the 285 :)
Its not just about lightness after all the shoe has to stand up to the rigours of training racing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spyros76
What were trying to do is offer different levels of "under foot protection" & choice.
Thats what out arrow system is about.
4 arrow is our maximum level of " cushioning" and may be for a runner who is use to a more built up shoe.
3 arrow is taking you lower to the ground so you have a better feel, the difference between the front and the heel is 9mm. So you have a slight raise but not as much as our competitors.
2 arrow is what we have on all our fell shoes and Roclite 285/ F-Lite 230. These are lower to the ground so more responsive and offering greater feel for the terrain. The heel height is lower.
1 arrow is our lowest shoe , this is what the new X-Talon 190 & F-Lite 195 have, Lower to the ground, no differential & very flexible.
0 arrow We will have shoes with NO eva, just a sole and upper for a pure minimalist experience. I did a 10k road race in a prototype 0 shoe at Christmas.
Today i run 21km in fireroads with the F-Lite 230. Felt very comfortable, no need for a more "trail shoe" as the roclite or the mudroc.
[QUOTE=Inov-8 Insider;301953]Its not just about lightness after all the shoe has to stand up to the rigours of training racing.
What were trying to do is offer different levels of "under foot protection"
Thats what out arrow system is about.
I don't think anyone's knocking the great work Inov-8. Inov-8 do a fantastic job of offering a shoe for anyone for any surface. I'm just suprised there's no out and out "racing" shoe for off-road racing. I dont expect a "racing" flat to have an amazing shelf-life and the same would be true of a trail racing shoe. Most people who own "racing flats" only get them out for the "big" races. I've had my own for over 3 years now and have used them for trail racing in drier conditions, and they're holding up very well. :D
[QUOTE=Terry the Tortoise;301961]TerryQuote:
Originally Posted by Inov-8 Insider
The F-Lite 195 may well be that shoe your looking for or if you want a very low, very flexible XC/Fell shoe then the X-Talon 190 could be the answer.
We are still working on "The Ultimate Fell Shoe".
Were definitely on the minimalist/barefoot tack.
Trust me:D
[QUOTE=Inov-8 Insider;301966]Haha...I know you're working hard over there. Just an impatient bunch us runners :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Terry the Tortoise