Tonight's football thread

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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry

Iain as much as you 'pretend' to deny it the change in fortunes for our clubs over the last few years has been unbelievable - you could be forgiven for thinking we'd never finish above you in our lifetimes some 15 years ago, and now we can see a clear path towards role reversals.

We are on the up, building one of the best football academy's that the world of footballing facilities has ever seen, backed up with strong investment in youth players and talent development around the world, as well as the rest of the clubs infrastructure, stadium included. We have a team spine including some of the best players in the world, in the peak of their careers, all on long-term contracts (Hart 26, Kompany 27, Silva 27, Nasri 26, Aguero 25, Yaya 30). Should the squad need investment, we have an owner continuously willing to back the manager in times of need - and a revenue number growing faster than any club on the planet ready to take on Financial Fair Play any time. We have one of, if not the best executive management team in world football at the club, driving a philosophy that ensures a commitment to the fans and the club to ensure it becomes one of the most successful clubs in world football.

In the mean time your fortunes have a slightly less positive outlook, to say the least. Having already conquered the world over with your 12 billion fans there is little room to grow. Your best centre-backs are 32 and 35; your best left back is 32, and is in the final year of his contract; your best striker is 30 and seeing frequent injuries reminiscent of his old self; your only other world class out field player has been kicking up a fuss for a year about wanting to leave, with less than 2 years left on his contract; and despite spending £27.5m on a midfielder, you are still yet to rectify a problem that has been well known for many years. You are still saddled with debt, owned by people only interested in making money for themselves. You are struggling to reach the Champions League spots this year, and even if you do manage to scrape back in, your manager is still David Moyes.

The future is blue.:cool:

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Back the manager in times of need??? Ruddy Hell how can you say that???

That is without a doubt your best comment on this whole thread... Superb! Off out for the day..

Our best centre backs are in their 20's... Vidic and Rio are now second choice.. Rio 4th choice..

We have debt but service it, if they wanted to recoup they could sell and there would be many many backers... We are in a far healthier state than you.. Say the Sheik wants out... City would be a Leeds by the end of the year...

You criticise Moyes, and applaud Martinez, who has Moyes' team, so presumably he must be able to spot a decent team...

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Originally Posted by spen

David moyes is manager of Manchester united. That never fails to make me smile.

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Iain's mantra

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Or it's just 'we are United'... a club with class and history..

How many managers did Fergie out last? 14?

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Originally Posted by IainR

Off out for the day..

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Enjoy your day out Iain but be careful if you go anywhere near the swamp

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lainr, the glazers are raping our club. there is no money to spend. these yank thieves sold the worlds best player for 80m and told us that it would be placed in a special account to strengthen the squad...well where is that money? in glazers pocket, that's where.
who will come to our club next year with no champions league and no money?
fact is fergie left us with an aging team and poor players....cleverly, young, nani, Valencia and evans are not up to it. why did the greatest manager in history leave us in this mess? could it be because the American rapist wouldn't spend any money?

Up The Dale

Apparently they played really well and deserved the win. It would be fantastic to get them in the next round tomorrow. The draw is tomorrow isn't it?

The Leeds supporters chanting " We're shit and we're sick of it!" ;) Been there, done that, got the T Shirt! Rather them than us!

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Originally Posted by Carlos the Jackal

lainr, the glazers are raping our club. there is no money to spend. these yank thieves sold the worlds best player for 80m and told us that it would be placed in a special account to strengthen the squad...well where is that money? in glazers pocket, that's where.
who will come to our club next year with no champions league and no money?
fact is fergie left us with an aging team and poor players....cleverly, young, nani, Valencia and evans are not up to it. why did the greatest manager in history leave us in this mess? could it be because the American rapist wouldn't spend any money?

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I agree with you Carlos but this United side and the man in charge of them are a f**king disgrace to those that have gone before them and offer nothing but one crushing disappointment after the other. They are frauds and cowards who are not fit to wear the shirt of manchester united or manage them. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Carlos the Jackal

lainr, the glazers are raping our club. there is no money to spend. these yank thieves sold the worlds best player for 80m and told us that it would be placed in a special account to strengthen the squad...well where is that money? in glazers pocket, that's where.
who will come to our club next year with no champions league and no money?
fact is fergie left us with an aging team and poor players....cleverly, young, nani, Valencia and evans are not up to it. why did the greatest manager in history leave us in this mess? could it be because the American rapist wouldn't spend any money?

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Raping / rapist analogies? Not good

I wonder if moyes is sat at his telly with a pen and paper watching "splash" now that the transfer window is open! :p

No gloating from Danbert today as they fail to beat Blackburn????
Whoops can't say much as they beat us last season :mad:

Can't complain 2-0 vs the spuds, so onwards and upwards, I'll enjoy it while it lasts, 1 game closer to the bubble bursting!!!

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Originally Posted by Carlos the Jackal

lainr, the glazers are raping our club. there is no money to spend. these yank thieves sold the worlds best player for 80m and told us that it would be placed in a special account to strengthen the squad...well where is that money? in glazers pocket, that's where.
who will come to our club next year with no champions league and no money?
fact is fergie left us with an aging team and poor players....cleverly, young, nani, Valencia and evans are not up to it. why did the greatest manager in history leave us in this mess? could it be because the American rapist wouldn't spend any money?

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We just are not an ageing team... Rio and Vidic have not been first choice partnership for a long time, Evra is a loss, but otherwise Giggs has been a squad player for years not a first choice starter.. 2 max 3 players and we'll look totally different. I'm not sure Baines is the answer for Evra, top player but 28-29.. so you are bringing in someone with 3-4 seasons to give realistically, not the 7-8 or so that Evra has given. Buttner looked good when he arrived but hasn't stepped up.

Evans is now a top centre half..
Valencia is a great pro but lacks the confidence to beat a man consistently.. We've still to see how Zaha will develop.

Young, OK, but we still spent what £18 million...

Ferguson had money, he says so in his book, but who to buy?

I just dont see that we are in a mess. That team just won the title winning 25 of the first 30? games...

Our average age is superb, best young keeper in the world.

We do need a new central midfield because Carrick is entering the final few years..

But we also have young players coming through, see where Jones ends up, Nick Powell, Januzaj...

I hope we don't just throw 100 million at it, that's never been United's style, Ferguson always combined the youth with the buys and gave space for players to develop.. Keane for example.

When Ferguson sold Ince, Hughes, Kanche there was huge opposition and feelings that Keane was not ready to step up and take the mantle yet he did and became our greatest ever captain.

United fans are playing into people like Danberts hands moaning on that its the end just because we've had one bad half of a season in 25 years.. turn a few of those stupid defeats into wins and we'd be sat in the top 4 going well in the CL and league cup.

Had Fergie left and Moyes had won at a canter Danbo would be moaning on how Fergie was overated.. now he's left and the team struggle he's left us in a mess.. there was always going to be a dip whilst Moyes puts his stamp on the team.

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Originally Posted by Carlos the Jackal

fact is fergie left us with an aging team and poor players....cleverly, young, nani, Valencia and evans are not up to it.

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Can't disagree with this. It's refreshing to see an unblinkered view from a United fan on this thread. I would say Cleverly and Evans are highly overrated, but have they ever been rated?

WHy? Carlos is doing exactly what Danberts wants...

Evans is rated, he has really stepped up, his nose was put out when United signed Jones and Smalling but he's responded and been the number 1 choice this season.

We are still not a unit at the back but I don't think its a player issue..

Cleverly is an issue, he can be superb but isn't being consistent at all and can go missing. As I said I think we need 2 midfielders, I think Cleverly is another Phil Neville... decent squad player but not a regular in the team.

The way people gripe on you'd think it wasn't less than a year since we had the best start of a season in the history of the EPL..

I do think Nani and Anderson have had their chances, Anderson is class on his day but clearly isn't fit enough and I'd get rid of both.

As I said though, look at the average age.. Danbert keeps saying we are aging but refuses to actually quote ages because our average age is superb, one of the youngest squads in the league.

Kagawa could yet step up, he was superb for Dortmund, maybe he'll go back but he was a good buy, sometimes they don't work out but the suggestions he was a buy for marketing reasons are extremely ignorant and anglo-centric at best, anyone who watched German or European football will know how good he was. Even now the Dortmund fans have a free Kagawa campaign to get him back..

Zaha, Young, Valencia, Van Persie, Buttner, De Gea, Jones, Kagawa all came in in recent seasons.. Fergie was backed and has bought good young english talent for the most part.

What a start to the play offs last night, the Colts come back from 28 points down to win 45-44 and the Saints win with a field goal on the last play of their game against the Eagles

Cant support the eagles because of Vick...

Not watched much this year but will try and get over there for the superbowl.. highlight of the year, good pub, wings and football..

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Originally Posted by IainR

Cant support the eagles because of Vick...

Not watched much this year but will try and get over there for the superbowl.. highlight of the year, good pub, wings and football..

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Not the NFL's finest moment when Vick was named Comeback Player of the Year in 2010

Tried the wings in the Anchor Bar when we were in Buffalo in September but I bottled it and went for the medium rather than the suicidal:D

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Originally Posted by Richard Head

Not the NFL's finest moment when Vick was named Comeback Player of the Year in 2010

Tried the wings in the Anchor Bar when we were in Buffalo in September but I bottled it and went for the medium rather than the suicidal:D

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US hospitality... they'll normally let you pick and choose...

What gets me is the 5-6% beer.. a nice UK ale is often not much over 4%.. I was drinking moonshine last night, lovely locally brewerd light 4% ale, wake up not a hint of a hangover..

Vick is supposedly working with animal charities but I'm just not convinced it's a publicity stunt to rebuild his image.. but getting a 300 million $$ contract straight from a federal prison wasn't a great move by the Eagles..

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Originally Posted by IainR

WHy? Carlos is doing exactly what Danberts wants...

Evans is rated, he has really stepped up, his nose was put out when United signed Jones and Smalling but he's responded and been the number 1 choice this season.

We are still not a unit at the back but I don't think its a player issue..

Cleverly is an issue, he can be superb but isn't being consistent at all and can go missing. As I said I think we need 2 midfielders, I think Cleverly is another Phil Neville... decent squad player but not a regular in the team.

The way people gripe on you'd think it wasn't less than a year since we had the best start of a season in the history of the EPL..

I do think Nani and Anderson have had their chances, Anderson is class on his day but clearly isn't fit enough and I'd get rid of both.

As I said though, look at the average age.. Danbert keeps saying we are aging but refuses to actually quote ages because our average age is superb, one of the youngest squads in the league.

Kagawa could yet step up, he was superb for Dortmund, maybe he'll go back but he was a good buy, sometimes they don't work out but the suggestions he was a buy for marketing reasons are extremely ignorant and anglo-centric at best, anyone who watched German or European football will know how good he was. Even now the Dortmund fans have a free Kagawa campaign to get him back..

Zaha, Young, Valencia, Van Persie, Buttner, De Gea, Jones, Kagawa all came in in recent seasons.. Fergie was backed and has bought good young english talent for the most part.

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So if all this is true, why are United so shit?

Are you saying that a competent manager should have this United squad in the top 4 right now?

It seems to me that you are saying that a manager with the right background and record should be capable of motivating the players you've got and getting them to play for him? But that isn't happening Iain.

You're argument seems to suggest that the players are good enough, in that case it must be the manager who isn't. Perhaps then United needed a manager that had operated at United's level before arriving at United. A manager that would have a knowledge of players the World over that were of the required quality and been able to identify 1 or 2 that even United could afford. A manger with experience of managing a big squad over a 60 game season, would have a back room staff with the understanding of the fitness and training requirements to navigate such a schedule.

Unfortunately Iain..... Moyes has none of the above, and that's without getting into tactical nous and playing style.

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Originally Posted by IainR

US hospitality... they'll normally let you pick and choose...

What gets me is the 5-6% beer.. a nice UK ale is often not much over 4%.. I was drinking moonshine last night, lovely locally brewerd light 4% ale, wake up not a hint of a hangover..

Vick is supposedly working with animal charities but I'm just not convinced it's a publicity stunt to rebuild his image.. but getting a 300 million $$ contract straight from a federal prison wasn't a great move by the Eagles..

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Forecast to be minus 18 in Green Bay for the Packers/49ers game tonight

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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry

So if all this is true, why are United so shit?

Are you saying that a competent manager should have this United squad in the top 4 right now?

It seems to me that you are saying that a manager with the right background and record should be capable of motivating the players you've got and getting them to play for him? But that isn't happening Iain.

You're argument seems to suggest that the players are good enough, in that case it must be the manager who isn't. Perhaps then United needed a manager that had operated at United's level before arriving at United. A manager that would have a knowledge of players the World over that were of the required quality and been able to identify 1 or 2 that even United could afford. A manger with experience of managing a big squad over a 60 game season, would have a back room staff with the understanding of the fitness and training requirements to navigate such a schedule.

Unfortunately Iain..... Moyes has none of the above, and that's without getting into tactical nous and playing style.

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change of manager... A lull... Give him time, let them get used to each other...

if moyes is so shit how come he took Everton to consistent top 6.. Built a team out of selling his best players... And if he's such a shit judge of player why did you raid him so often.......

And let's not list desperation buys...... I'm on an iPad I'll run out of room listing your lots....

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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry

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Just gone 2-1 down to a little welsh outfit.
Is this the end of their FA cup??

Yup.
ANOTHER home defeat.

Never mind there's always the League Cup :D

Good weekend, beat the spuds, not too bad a draw and Man U out. Happy days, predicted time for Danbert to come and mock this result. I'll guess at 06.38PM

Oh,
TAXI for Fabio

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Originally Posted by biara

Good weekend, beat the spuds, not too bad a draw and Man U out. Happy days, predicted time for Danbert to come and mock this result. I'll guess at 06.38PM

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My prediction is that Danbert will take the moral high ground and refrain from taking the piss:D:D:D

Not good... Get a few wins in... Seem to be better away from OT pressure..

Yeah right!!! :rolleyes:

Moyes shouldn't have been appointed. Bad times ahead for us, no champs league next year = no major signings. Moyes was appointed to be the fall guy

That is only the second time in their last 29 FA Cup third-round ties that Manchester United have lost. Leeds, with Jermaine Beckford scoring the winner, in 2010 was the other occasion.

How long before Rooney moves on to pastures new? 18 months left on his contract so time is running out to get him signed up to a new one or sell him

The losses are only gonna continue. We can't scrape by Villa, West Ham and Norwich every week.

Swansea again next week at home where they'll play an even stronger side than they put out today. We'll only have Jones back from injury, another loss there probably. Then its stamford bridge to a Chelsea who have finally hit form. Maybe a 4 or 5 nil tonking there and us into the bottom half of the table could spark a reaction from the suits.

Rooney to Chelsea???

Its on.

Or may be even City?

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Originally Posted by biara

Good weekend, beat the spuds, not too bad a draw and Man U out. Happy days, predicted time for Danbert to come and mock this result. I'll guess at 06.38PM

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I've been waiting nearly 40 years of my life for this and it's finally started to happen. I still can't believe it is happening, but it is!

We just have to hope and pray they stick with Moyes until the end of the season.;)

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Originally Posted by Stagger

Rooney to Chelsea???

Its on.

Or may be even City?

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We neither want or need the fat gerontophile.

Tick follows Tock. :D

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Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry

We neither want or need the fat gerontophile.

Tick follows Tock. :D

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Oh my big friend, I think the Roo would be good payback for Tevez.

Especially if you go on to win the title with him.

The fat dipper should have been sold after his SECOND TRANSFER REQUEST.

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Originally Posted by IainR

Not good... Get a few wins in... Seem to be better away from OT pressure..

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That's a pity - You are home again on Saturday ...... to Swansea!:D