Three Peaks Fell Race

Good stuff. Despite the ongoing debate about whether its a trail or fell race, don't let the road/traily parts give you a false sense of security. Its rocky, can be boggy and the terrain is challenging in places. I agree with Steve, definitely trail shoes if the weather is good and possibly something grippier if it isn't. I ran the race is sunny conditions last year in INOV8 Roclites 315s. They were perfect for me. Ran it last weekend in Mudclaws due to the wet conditions and very boggy/muddy sections (plus an adapted route with less path), and was glad that I had the extra grip!

Hope you enjoy it, it was my first time last year and I loved it. I think its a brilliant race and will do it again (but have opted for the fellsman this year...ahhh!!).

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Originally Posted by joeyd

I'm in. First time for me. What's the received wisdom on shoes for this one? Fell shoes or will road shoes cope with the 'trailiness' of the route?

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Done it 5 times)...I think!?), all in Walsh's, possibly 'cos its all I have!! When I can't enter I always have a wee tinge of regret now!

To be fair i reckon you can run it it owt, ideally needs to be dry for road shoes, fell shoes are ok if you don't mind a bit of foot hammering, trail shoes are the middle ground, bit of comfort and grip. Some folk may run in barefoot minimalist shoes, whatever gets you round. At some point somethings going to hurt as with all races, if it was easy we wouldn't do it. Once did it in full kit and boots in me army days, we had a big fffing radio to carry round between us, i copped for it going up whernside! I was fitter then mind:rolleyes:

Done it 5 times now, 3 times in road shoes the other 2 in fell shoes. The road shoes were perfect for the conditions as it was bone dry, had been for weeks, but I was glad of the fell shoes when it has been rainng heavily, having said that I suffered from sore shins for weeks after. There is some long stoney descents and if the weather's been dry I'd opt for a more cushioned shoe every time.

Looks like it might be time to get myself a new pair of shoes; I'm sure I can justify it to myself (and Mr LLoyd with his overdraft facility). Looking forward to the run though. I'll do the usual thing of putting everything I might every need for any and all weather eventuality in the boot of the car. Never needed wellies yet, but you never know :w00t:. Thanks for the advice though everyone - much appreciated.

I do think a pair of aggressive trail type, with a bit of cushioning may be best. My Salomons that I recently aquired would be good, I'd like something grippy for final bit of Whernside climb if nothing else.

I did it in road shoes last year and was absolutely fine. It was bone dry though.

I did it in road shoes last year as well, but will probably wear trail shoes this year I think. Mind you, I won't be racing it, as I've got a marathon the week before....

yes,I used to do the London Marathon and the following weekend the Three PeaksMind you I was mad then ! think I'm ok now

It does make me laugh when people complain about the price of kit yet have any number of shoes to choose from. If I were running it I would do it in running shoes the ones I use until they are unusable and then I buy another pair and use them. Simple.

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Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker

It does make me laugh when people complain about the price of kit yet have any number of shoes to choose from. If I were running it I would do it in running shoes the ones I use until they are unusable and then I buy another pair and use them. Simple.

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That's an odd comment! Of course people have multiple pairs of shoes. You wouldn't wear road shoes on a really muddy, boggy race (e.g. Winter Hill), because you wouldn't be able to stand up! And you wouldn't wear Mudclaws or similar to run on the roads, as the tarmac would wear the treads down faster and mean more expense because you have to buy new shoes more often.

Given some of the threads on here, I don't think people do complain too much about the cost of kit. Instead it often seems to be a pi$$ing contest to whom can find the most expensive (see head torch thread! - Hope R4 for £250 - I won't be getting one of those!). I find that buying the correct kit within your budget often saves money.

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Originally Posted by fozzy

Instead it often seems to be a pi$$ing contest to whom can find the most expensive (see head torch thread! - Hope R4 for £250 - I won't be getting one of those!).

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Made me laugh, thanks Fozzy, glad I'm not the only one feeling like the poor relation on expensive kit!

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Originally Posted by fozzy

That's an odd comment! Of course people have multiple pairs of shoes. You wouldn't wear road shoes on a really muddy, boggy race (e.g. Winter Hill), because you wouldn't be able to stand up! And you wouldn't wear Mudclaws or similar to run on the roads, as the tarmac would wear the treads down faster and mean more expense because you have to buy new shoes more often.

Given some of the threads on here, I don't think people do complain too much about the cost of kit. Instead it often seems to be a pi$$ing contest to whom can find the most expensive (see head torch thread! - Hope R4 for £250 - I won't be getting one of those!). I find that buying the correct kit within your budget often saves money.

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You can get the Hope R4 for £180 - or rather less if you know someone in the trade. Those head torches putting out less than 100 lumens are OK for straightforward terrain, but not fell. In other words your £65 Myo may be like throwing money away. I cannot comment on the surprisingly cheap torches that some have bought - support for them seems rather subdued ....

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Originally Posted by Mike T

You can get the Hope R4 for £180 - or rather less if you know someone in the trade. Those head torches putting out less than 100 lumens are OK for straightforward terrain, but not fell. In other words your £65 Myo may be like throwing money away. I cannot comment on the surprisingly cheap torches that some have bought - support for them seems rather subdued ....

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Hi Mike. Head torch or no, I've now entered Three Peaks (for my first time). Not sure if that was wise, but would have been cross with myself if I'd wimped out and then found entries were full.

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Originally Posted by Eleanor

Hi Mike. Head torch or no, I've now entered Three Peaks (for my first time). Not sure if that was wise, but would have been cross with myself if I'd wimped out and then found entries were full.

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Well done Eleanor - looking forward to running with you in February!

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Originally Posted by fozzy

That's an odd comment! Of course people have multiple pairs of shoes. You wouldn't wear road shoes on a really muddy, boggy race (e.g. Winter Hill), because you wouldn't be able to stand up! And you wouldn't wear Mudclaws or similar to run on the roads, as the tarmac would wear the treads down faster and mean more expense because you have to buy new shoes more often.

Given some of the threads on here, I don't think people do complain too much about the cost of kit. Instead it often seems to be a pi$$ing contest to whom can find the most expensive (see head torch thread! - Hope R4 for £250 - I won't be getting one of those!). I find that buying the correct kit within your budget often saves money.

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Not odd at all. I can afford one pair of shoes that I use until I cant use them and then I buy another pair. Thereby avoiding the rather patronising assumption that people are bound to have multiple shoes.

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Originally Posted by fozzy

That's an odd comment! Of course people have multiple pairs of shoes. You wouldn't wear road shoes on a really muddy, boggy race (e.g. Winter Hill), because you wouldn't be able to stand up! And you wouldn't wear Mudclaws or similar to run on the roads, as the tarmac would wear the treads down faster and mean more expense because you have to buy new shoes more often.

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I only have one pair of running shoes, my walshes :)

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Originally Posted by Stolly

I only have one pair of running shoes, my walshes :)

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Good man. Non of this which shall I wear today for you then sir!

I have 2 pair of road shoes and 2 pair of fell shoes, all of which are worn out to the max, as are my legs now as a result of running in them (well the road shoes anyway :p )

I asked the question about shoes - for the record I've only got 2 pairs in use at the moment (1 pair of road, 1 pair of fell). They get worn 'til they come to pieces. I did get a reserve pair of Mudclaws for Christmas though. Thank you Santa :p. I just wondered if trail shoes would be a better bet on the 3Ps; I'm not a massive kit junkie really... honest...

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Originally Posted by joeyd

I asked the question about shoes - for the record I've only got 2 pairs in use at the moment (1 pair of road, 1 pair of fell). They get worn 'til they come to pieces. I did get a reserve pair of Mudclaws for Christmas though. Thank you Santa :p. I just wondered if trail shoes would be a better bet on the 3Ps; I'm not a massive kit junkie really... honest...

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I've found Recolite 315 to be fine for the PPP.

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Originally Posted by joeyd

I asked the question about shoes - for the record I've only got 2 pairs in use at the moment (1 pair of road, 1 pair of fell). They get worn 'til they come to pieces. I did get a reserve pair of Mudclaws for Christmas though. Thank you Santa :p. I just wondered if trail shoes would be a better bet on the 3Ps; I'm not a massive kit junkie really... honest...

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I've done it 3 times.
1. Swoops.
2. Kanadia
3. Nike Road Shoes.

I was most comfortable in the road shoes, but it was dry as a bone. If wet underfoot there's plenty of soggy bits that would mean a trail would suit better.

No real need for fell shoes, unless you are most at home in them.

I think you can only really decide on the day. The last 2 years have been very dry but, as Witton points out, if it's wet & boggy road shoes won't cut it. I used the Roclite 312 the last 2 years & it was perfect for me. Plenty of grip & cushioning.

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Originally Posted by Fnstein

I've found Recolite 315 to be fine for the PPP.

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Hey Frankenstien - did you find doing Heptonstall in March helped your training? What other races are you using as build up 3Ps?

I'm using The Hebden, Wadsworth Trog, Heptonstall plus The MAG 7 long distance challenge.

Anyone else planning a series of races to their 3P goal???

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Originally Posted by Trig

Hey Frankenstien - did you find doing Heptonstall in March helped your training? What other races are you using as build up 3Ps?

I'm using The Hebden, Wadsworth Trog, Heptonstall plus The MAG 7 long distance challenge.

Anyone else planning a series of races to their 3P goal???

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Trying to remember now - a year is a long time :confused: Mainly training runs I think - Heptonstall, 7 Trigs and the little known Cragg Vale Watershed route :sneaky:

I didn't do enough long runs really which is why I was 6mins slower than previous years. Must try harder :closed:

Mileage of any sort will help, but the best place for it is up there.

You can't discount how tough climbing Whernside is for us mere mortals and I would suggest 2 recces up there which are extremely useful.

Start - PYG - Whernside to Hill Inn.
Start - PYG-Ribblhead-Hill Inn-Ingleborough-Finish.

They'd help prep you for the race. I can tell you getting to the top of Wherside is when it hits you, you start to come off the top and the cramp hits and you look across the valley to Ingleborough and think "how will I get up and over that?".
Familiarity - it helps a great deal.

Rather than take race route up Whernside you can follow a path that runs up almost parrallel and is around 400-600m west of the race route on OS.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

I can tell you getting to the top of Wherside is when it hits you, you start to come off the top and the cramp hits and you look across the valley to Ingleborough and think "how will I get up and over that?".

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Damn, I've entered that. What the hell was I thinking?

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Originally Posted by Eleanor

Damn, I've entered that. What the hell was I thinking?

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You'll be right Eleanor, take it steady to Ribblehead and you'll do fine.

Steve's right Eleanor, steady is the key imo. I ran it last year for the first time and felt exactly the same as you but had a good consistent run (for me). I didn't cramp up at Whernside either but did use my little known technique of going up bits of it sideways to alternate the muscles used (everyone thinks I'm stupid but it really works).:)

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Originally Posted by Eleanor

Damn, I've entered that. What the hell was I thinking?

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Never seen a crab complain of cramp............then again i've never seen a crab complain about owt much.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

Mileage of any sort will help, but the best place for it is up there.

You can't discount how tough climbing Whernside is for us mere mortals and I would suggest 2 recces up there which are extremely useful.

Start - PYG - Whernside to Hill Inn.
Start - PYG-Ribblhead-Hill Inn-Ingleborough-Finish.

They'd help prep you for the race. I can tell you getting to the top of Wherside is when it hits you, you start to come off the top and the cramp hits and you look across the valley to Ingleborough and think "how will I get up and over that?".
Familiarity - it helps a great deal.

Rather than take race route up Whernside you can follow a path that runs up almost parrallel and is around 400-600m west of the race route on OS.

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The other one you can do, which I found useful is to do an up-and-down of PYG from Horton, then drive up to Ribblehead and do Whernside and Ingleborough (taking the walker's route, which is definitely easier than straight up BTW), but come down Park Fell back to Ribblehead. Then you get most of the climbing in about 19miles or so.

In some senses, because it's a quick race (because it is largely so runnable), it's worth doing some tempo-type running that you'd do if you were doing a Marathon - it's a long run both between PYG and Whernside and off Ingleborough to the finish.

My training this year will be largely targeted for doing London the week before. 3P will just be for fun....

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Originally Posted by fozzy

The other one you can do, which I found useful is to do an up-and-down of PYG from Horton, then drive up to Ribblehead and do Whernside and Ingleborough (taking the walker's route, which is definitely easier than straight up BTW), but come down Park Fell back to Ribblehead. Then you get most of the climbing in about 19miles or so.

In some senses, because it's a quick race (because it is largely so runnable), it's worth doing some tempo-type running that you'd do if you were doing a Marathon - it's a long run both between PYG and Whernside and off Ingleborough to the finish.

My training this year will be largely targeted for doing London the week before. 3P will just be for fun....

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Blimey, be careful, I dont know you, but that would severely punish your body no matter how fiit you are!! If you are jogging round the ppp that would probably have you out for 4 hrs say, thats a long time to run only a week after pushing your body to the limit ( and thats what the road marathon entails ). Take it easy :)

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Originally Posted by Eleanor

Damn, I've entered that. What the hell was I thinking?

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Eleanor - I think you'll find that cramp in the PPP is a man thing :)

I've only seen one lady suffering and that was around a couple of miles after the top of Ingleborough. Being the kind soul I was I gave her my last ibuprofen as I only had around 25-30 mins to go.

I didn't suffer with cramp either and found the ascent of Whernside relatively okay - it's the big long flatish sections in between that bugger me up! I think my strength is definitely going up hill and my weakness is, well, running.

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

Eleanor - I think you'll find that cramp in the PPP is a man thing :)

I've only seen one lady suffering and that was around a couple of miles after the top of Ingleborough. Being the kind soul I was I gave her my last ibuprofen as I only had around 25-30 mins to go.

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What you want is Ketchup bob on for cramp bang and the cramp is gone !

Am doing a full trip around on Saturday 4th and on the Sunday 5th will be doing a 2 Peaks route of Pen-Y-Ghent and when on the road will be going up Park fell and over to Ingleborough back to Horton if anyone fancys joinning me.

Anybody looking for an entry??? PM me

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Originally Posted by TurboTom

Anybody looking for an entry??? PM me

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I asume you've seen the guidance re substitutions on the PPP website Tom?

If you need to substitute your entry please either

1. Ask your substitute to register with the SPORTident Online Entries System at https://www.sportident.co.uk/entries/login/login.php and ask the substitute to tell you their SPORTIdent Entries ID that is emailed to them when they register. Go to the 'Update Your Entry' link https://www.sportident.co.uk/entries...p?event_id=660 and transfer your entry. Your substitute is then able to update the entry, specifying the correct club name and the qualifying races. Your fee will not be refunded but your substitute does not have to pay again.
   
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2. Forward your entry acknowledgement email with 'Substitution Request' in the Subject line to the entries secretary at: [email protected] with a note to confirm that your entry is available for substitution and we will arrange a substitute runner from the Wait List

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Originally Posted by Multiterrainer

I asume you've seen the guidance re substitutions on the PPP website Tom?

If you need to substitute your entry please either

1. Ask your substitute to register with the SPORTident Online Entries System at https://www.sportident.co.uk/entries/login/login.php and ask the substitute to tell you their SPORTIdent Entries ID that is emailed to them when they register. Go to the 'Update Your Entry' link https://www.sportident.co.uk/entries...p?event_id=660 and transfer your entry. Your substitute is then able to update the entry, specifying the correct club name and the qualifying races. Your fee will not be refunded but your substitute does not have to pay again.
   
   or
2. Forward your entry acknowledgement email with 'Substitution Request' in the Subject line to the entries secretary at: [email protected] with a note to confirm that your entry is available for substitution and we will arrange a substitute runner from the Wait List

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Yeah, I need to find someone off here who can pay me though :)

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Originally Posted by TurboTom

Yeah, I need to find someone off here who can pay me though :)

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I guessed you had....injured again/still or studies getting in the way?