Three Peaks Fell Race

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Originally Posted by Leeds Rhino

yeah, I would think so

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what type of hat are you carrying?

' Extreme' running hat from the running shop

Surely a buff is just as good as a beanie at keeping out the cold?

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Originally Posted by stubar

Hi, new here!

entered into 3 peaks race, expecting for a rough ride - won't have run a race as tough as this before and also sporting a few injuries so going into it with lack of training and a couple of weak links in the body! Excited for it though!

need an advice, we need to carry a hat with us. Is a buff classed as a hat? I can wear it on my head and it retains heat, so I would say yes - but a second opinion would be appreciated :)

thanks!

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yes a Buff does count as a hat

how about a knotted hanky :)

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

how about a knotted hanky :)

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aye, that'll do

Buffs only count as hats if worn in pirate fashion. The Lithuanian Peasant head scarf style will not count as a hat ;)

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Buffs only count as hats if worn in pirate fashion. The Lithuanian Peasant head scarf style will not count as a hat ;)

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how heavily will this be policed as I won't even be wearing my hat/buff, just carrying it for the rules. never worn it before, no idea how to put it on! I can make a pirate impersonation?!

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Originally Posted by stubar

how heavily will this be policed as I won't even be wearing my hat/buff, just carrying it for the rules. never worn it before, no idea how to put it on! I can make a pirate impersonation?!

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Saying "arrrrrgh" will be enough

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Saying "arrrrrgh" will be enough

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Shiver me timbers!

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

Maggie - I did it in 2008 with a week between and was fine. It was actually my fastest of my 3 PPP runs.

I'm doing AW again this year before the Peaks.

For your info I'm just a steady fell plodder who typically gets by of 20 odd miles per week who will get around AW in about 2:30 and PPP in about 4:50

WP

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Thanks WP. I actually decided not to do it as I gluttonly and slovenly had a hen night the night before. Definately on taper now but now worried havnt done enough. My 3 previous 3 Ps have all been 4.45 so Ill prob see you and we can compare race preparaation...drinking heavily v racing
Good luck!

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Originally Posted by stubar

Shiver me timbers!

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parrot on shoulder and crutch for wooden leg ! Could make running the race difficult

Anyone worrying about not doing enough: my ENTIRE TRAINING for this was an hour of orienteering last Sunday. Green course, fair knackered me out.

Well, you mustn't overdo it.

I suspect I'll be getting a free bus ride...

Never mind, it'll be fun trying!

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Originally Posted by RichK

Anyone worrying about not doing enough: my ENTIRE TRAINING for this was an hour of orienteering last Sunday. Green course, fair knackered me out.

Well, you mustn't overdo it.

I suspect I'll be getting a free bus ride...

Never mind, it'll be fun trying!

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It's a good job there's a bus to get back isn't it then! I hope you're not 100% serious, why haven't you done any training? Without meaning to sound rude, it's a little irresponsible to race an A cat race without being fit for it, if conditions on the day are bad (which is looking likely) then you could put yourself in a dodgy situation.

Thought better of my previous rant, but I'll leave in the "wind your neck in mate".

1) I'm fit enough to complete the route and I have done it before (not competitviely). I have more than met the organiser's qualifying rules, and more importantly, my own rules.

2) I well appreciate my responsibilities as a fell runner and I NEVER run without keeping safety in the forefront of everything I do. In fact I'm probably too much of a cautious carol.

3) I can navigate well (enough) in bad conditions and I am also very aware of the escape routes. How many on Saturday won't have got maps in their bags? Or be able to actually use them?

4) My reversvation about fitness is that I won't be very fast. I never ever want to be putting marshalls etc in a bad positon but that's what the cut offs are for. I believe I can make it round within the cut offs and aim not to be last, but it will tight.

5) I only come here for a bit of banter but I am sick of the self appointed know alls who want to knock other people. Maybe my post wasn't very clear, I'm not advocating recklessness.

6) Yeah. Wind your bloody neck in.

One more, I'm getting sick of editing: I would never every rely on buses, that's a stupid thing to do. If one's there and I've retired, fine. But I know if I needed to retire at any point I could navigate home with the right equipment and the maps.

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Originally Posted by RichK

Wind yer neck in mate. I'm fit enough for it and know the route.

Jesus this forum isn't half full of self appointed arse holes.

Only come here for a bit of banter, think I'll sign off for good. Cheers.

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Don't get so wound up. If you're fit enough why did you say you weren't?

And there's no need to call me an arsehole, that's just downright rude. My post was polite

I did edit the post but not quick enough. Regret the arse hole bit, but the rest all stands.

It was polite but I also found it pompous. (edit to add that my replies have raised the pomposity stakes). I've been on this forum for long enough for anyone to know I am a keen and regular racer. My comment about training meant very recent training.

But hey i should drop the tounge in cheek stuff, it doesn't come across well. Consider me reprimanded.

And for what it's worth I'll take your point on board Rob and consider my participation.

RichK don't be disheartened. There are still lots of people on the forum who get the whole tongue in cheek bit.

The sense of humour is what has always made the forum entertaining, interesting and informative in a fun way.

The tone does seem to have changed over time, and there are a lot of people who take everything very literally.

I guess the thing is not to get cross and rise to it but I am rubbish at taking that advice myself, so you have my sympathies.

Have a good race at the weekend.:D

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Originally Posted by swift

RichK don't be disheartened. There are still lots of people on the forum who get the whole tongue in cheek bit.

The sense of humour is what has always made the forum entertaining, interesting and informative in a fun way.

The tone does seem to have changed over time, and there are a lot of people who take everything very literally. I've been a victim of it myself.

I guess the thing is not to get cross and rise to it but I am rubbish at taking that advice myself, so you have my sympathies.

Have a good race at the weekend.:D

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I got it RichK, both you and Rob av a good un, don't take it too seriously, it's only a trail race:p

Good post swift;)

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Originally Posted by stevefoster

I got it RichK, both you and Rob av a good un, don't take it too seriously, it's only a trail race:p

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Thanks Steve, I'll stop worrying about it too. I just spent silly money on a new waterproof to fill up my bum bag. Here's hoping I have to carry it all the way and don't need to use it. Okay, 'stopping worrying' is over - scared again now ....

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Originally Posted by Eleanor

Thanks Steve, I'll stop worrying about it too. I just spent silly money on a new waterproof to fill up my bum bag. Here's hoping I have to carry it all the way and don't need to use it. Okay, 'stopping worrying' is over - scared again now ....

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It's normal to be scared before, but once your off you'll be reet and enjoying it, av a good un Eleanor, hope the weather's as kind as last year.

I was so scared last year that I was almost sick in the car on the way over (or perhaps it was MashamMan's driving!). Having said that, I had a good run and really enjoyed it so I bet you'll be fine once you have covered the first mile and got into your stride. Good luck.:)

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Originally Posted by Eleanor

Thanks Steve, I'll stop worrying about it too. I just spent silly money on a new waterproof to fill up my bum bag. Here's hoping I have to carry it all the way and don't need to use it. Okay, 'stopping worrying' is over - scared again now ....

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Originally Posted by swift

RichK don't be disheartened. There are still lots of people on the forum who get the whole tongue in cheek bit.

The sense of humour is what has always made the forum entertaining, interesting and informative in a fun way.

The tone does seem to have changed over time, and there are a lot of people who take everything very literally.

I guess the thing is not to get cross and rise to it but I am rubbish at taking that advice myself, so you have my sympathies.

Have a good race at the weekend.:D

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Seconded (by an oft misunderstood tongue in cheeker :) )

ha ha, I was going to post earlier from the viewpoint of someone who often takes things too literally. The world works in mysterious ways....
Rob and RichK should just kiss and make up.:wink:

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Originally Posted by Stolly

Seconded (by an oft misunderstood tongue in cheeker :) )

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Hi all, went out for the evening. No ill feeling, Rob has a good point. Undertrained and winging it is not a good state to be in.

Enjoy the trail run all! Weather and all...:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by RichK

Anyone worrying about not doing enough: my ENTIRE TRAINING for this was an hour of orienteering last Sunday. Green course, fair knackered me out.

Well, you mustn't overdo it.

I suspect I'll be getting a free bus ride...

Never mind, it'll be fun trying!

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Sounds like your well prepared mate. My entire prep has been based around sitting in front of the TV watching Jeremy Kyle repeats and drinking Thunderbird. I have done the occasional stretch to the outside toilet to work my aerobic system a little and that's built up my mileage nicely in the last few weeks as I had a touch of the runs.

For the last 2 weeks I've also gone upstairs to sleep, just to get some climbing in.

Sorted I reckon - all I want to do is get to the Hill Inn for a couple of pints.

Sorry to change the subject but do energy gels pass as emergency food? I don't want to carry food if I don't have to cos I won't eat it.

Fair play, I do often take things literally and I thought you were boasting about how little training you had done. Enjoy it, weather might clear but it's still going to be a bog hop. I'm not there this year but will likely do it next year. have a good 'un

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Originally Posted by Witton Park

Sounds like your well prepared mate. My entire prep has been based around sitting in front of the TV watching Jeremy Kyle repeats and drinking Thunderbird. I have done the occasional stretch to the outside toilet to work my aerobic system a little and that's built up my mileage nicely in the last few weeks as I had a touch of the runs.

For the last 2 weeks I've also gone upstairs to sleep, just to get some climbing in.

Sorted I reckon - all I want to do is get to the Hill Inn for a couple of pints.

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Too many junk miles, you've overtrained, a recipe for injury, and first to the bar;)

Like your style.....worried about the weather now-just bought new trail shoes, now its gonna Phishh it down!!!!!

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Originally Posted by RichK

Anyone worrying about not doing enough: my ENTIRE TRAINING for this was an hour of orienteering last Sunday. Green course, fair knackered me out.

Well, you mustn't overdo it.

I suspect I'll be getting a free bus ride...

Never mind, it'll be fun trying!

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Originally Posted by wjb

Sorry to change the subject but do energy gels pass as emergency food? I don't want to carry food if I don't have to cos I won't eat it.

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They would count as emergency food because it's about extra energy. However, if you have to eat them then you don't have any emergency food left so you should be disqualified. Just throw something into the bottom of your bumbag that can sit there all the time, I've got a bag of jelly beans that's been in there for over a year now, they've been on some lovely runs with me.

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Originally Posted by wjb

Sorry to change the subject but do energy gels pass as emergency food? I don't want to carry food if I don't have to cos I won't eat it.

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I would think about what happens if you really need the emergency food - if you're stuck somewhere waiting in the rain for a few hours for help, do you want to be eating a horrible gel? Blurgh. Stick a mars bar or something at the bottom on the bag, you'll never notice it.

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Originally Posted by RichK

I would think about what happens if you really need the emergency food - if you're stuck somewhere waiting in the rain for a few hours for help, do you want to be eating a horrible gel? Blurgh. Stick a mars bar or something at the bottom on the bag, you'll never notice it.

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If I was stuck in the rain I'd go and have a lovely meal at The Station Inn! I take your point though once I've used the gels it would be good to have an energy bar in my bag just in case.

Runners from as far away as Australia will be in the Yorkshire Dales on Saturday (April 28th) for the Three Peaks Race, but it the Scots who are the favourites to win the historic event, which is being held for the 58th time.


The “Marathon with Mountains”, which has Salomon as its principle sponsor, starts at Horton-in Ribblesdale, near Settle, and takes competitors over a 23-mile course with 5,270 feet of ascent, including the summits of Penyghent, Whernside and Ingleborough – Yorkshire’s Three Peaks.
The 1,000 entrants include Andy Peace, of Bingley Harriers, who set the race record of 2hrs 46mins 3sec in 1996. He won the event in 1994, 1995, 1996 and 2004. Bingley’s dominance was continued by Rob Jebb, the winner in 2005, 2006, 2007 and 2009, who finished second in the Fell Runners Association English Championships in 2011.


But the Scots have been a force to be reckoned with since the Three Peaks was run as a heat of the World Long Distance Mountain Challenge in 2008. The winner that year was Jethro Lennox, from Shettleston Harriers in Glasgow, with his teammate Thomas Owens 37 seconds behind.
In 2011 Owens was the winner after Lennox fell on the descent from Ingleborough. Owens’ time of 2hrs 53mins 34secs was the fastest for four years, but seven minutes slower than Andy Peace’s 15-year-old record for the current course.
Great Britain international mountain runner Anna Lupton, of Radcliffe Athletic Club, who was the ladies’ winner of the Three Peaks in 2009 and 2010, heads a strong women’s field.


It includes Wendy Dodds, of Clayton Harriers, the joint ladies’ winner in 1983, who has completed 28 Three Peaks Races. Dodds, who is 61, is the oldest woman taking part. Last year she was beaten by only four of the 18 over-60 male finishers.
As always, the Three Peaks has attracted a maximum number of entrants. They include Carol Cunningham, a resident of Melbourne, Australia, who is running for East Hull Harriers; Maria Latvakangas from Finland, who ran in the Three Peaks last year; Liam Mifsud from Malta, who is returning for the third time; Simon Chabriere from Grenoble in France and Brian Mullins from Ireland.


Many competitors return year after year to pit themselves against the Three Peaks. Dave Scott, of Clayton Harriers, has completed 44 races since 1965, and Bill Wade of Holmfirth Harriers, has completed 41. The 2012 event is Wade’s 46th start. Mike Hetherton, of Pickering Athletics Club, has completed 34, Andy Hauser, of Holmfirth Harriers, 31, and Allan Greenwood, of Calder Valley, and David Findel-Hawkins, of Milton Keynes, 22.
Jean-Marc Lawton, who is travelling all the way from Stornoway to compete, has finished 20 Three Peaks. He is in the process of writing a history of the race, which had six competitors when it was first run from the Hill Inn at Chapel-le-Dale in 1954. The 2001 event was cancelled because of foot and mouth disease and in 1981 the race was postponed to October because snow prevented competitors reaching Horton.
The oldest male entry is Bryan Pycroft, of the Fell Runners Association, who is 73, while Sam Fisher, of Howgill Harriers, is the youngest at 19. Youngest lady is Emma Dodd, of Wharfedale Harriers, who is 22.


The race starts in Horton-in-Ribblesdale at 10am on Saturday with fast runners expected to take around 26 minutes to reach the summit of Penyghent (2,277ft). They should be at Ribblehead by 11.20am. Anyone who does not reach Ribblehead by 12.10pm will be eliminated.
The record time from the start to Whernside summit (2,415ft) is 1hr 38mins. Anyone who does not reach the Chapel-le-Dale Valley Checkpoint by 13.30pm will be eliminated. Spectators on Ingleborough summit (2,372ft) can expect to see competitors from around 12.20pm with the winner returning to Horton by 12.50pm
Extra parking has been provided for Three Peaks spectators at the end of Philpin Lane near the Hill Inn. However, spectators should note that the Fellsman Hike starts in Ingleton at 9am on Saturday. Its competitors may be on Ingleborough, at the Hill Inn ill Inn checkpoint and climbing Whernside as Three Peaks runners travel in the opposite direction.


Information is at: http://www.threepeaksrace.org.uk/index.html

Race Director Paul Dennison, 01943 872020
[email protected]
Media liaison Brian Dooks, 01423 322988
[email protected]

Detailed mountain weather forecast: Yorkshire Dales

met office...


Wednesday

Weather

Starting dry but clouding over with rain mid to late morning. The rain becoming heavy and persistent. With strengthening easterly winds and extensive low cloud conditions will be very unpleasant, especially across exposed ridges and at higher levels where sleet is possible for a time.
Visibility

Good at first but deteriorating to poor or very poor as the rain sets in with fog at higher elevations as the cloud descends.
Hill fog

Ragged becoming broken to overcast down to 200 metres as the rain sets in.
Maximum winds above 400m

Easterly 50 mph
Temperature

Valleys	Plus 4 Celsius rising to Plus 9 Celsius
700 m	Plus 2 Celsius rising to Plus 4 Celsius later.
Freezing level	Just above the Summits.

Thursday

Weather

A few bright intervals but generally cloudy with showers, heavy and prolonged with hail and thunder.
Visibility

Good, becoming moderate or poor in or near showers.
Hill fog

Broken, occasionally blanket down to 300 metres at first and in showers.
Maximum winds above 400m

North 25 mph
Temperature

Valleys	Plus 5 Celsius rising to Plus 11 Celsius
700 m	Plus 6 Celsius
Freezing level	Above the summits

Outlook

Friday

Mostly cloudy and cold with showers heavy and prolonged with possible thunder.
Saturday

A few mostly light showers with some brighter spells. Feeling cold especially later as easterly winds freshen.
Sunday

Probably overcast spells of rain and extensive low cloud.

oops didnt mean to post all that above there....never mind

how tough is the course to navigate for someone not familiar with the territory. is there usually someone within sight? I've seen video of the ascent of PYG and there is just a constant stream of people making there way up, I appreciate this is near the start and the field will spread out.

I've walked the 3 peaks one time and remember that there is a quite long area of flat (approaching ribblehead?) which won't seem a problem finding a way either.

I'm gonna program the checkpoint map references into my Garmin for some GPS bearings and also carry the map and compass as is required.

Any advice please?

Stubar, I've done it for the last 2 years & always had somebody in sight. You should be fine. However, if the clags down, which is a real possibility, then that could, potentially, cause a problem. As I say, you should be fine. Unless you're leading.....................:w00t:

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Stubar, I've done it for the last 2 years & always had somebody in sight. You should be fine. However, if the clags down, which is a real possibility, then that could, potentially, cause a problem. As I say, you should be fine. Unless you're leading.....................:w00t:

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yup, i read that weather report that make is sound like their might be poor visibility higher up - are there marshalls at all checkpoints?

haha - no chance of leading - my goal is try to not be time-eliminated and finish in one piece :)

thanks for the advice! just trying to program the map references into my garmin 310xt but they seem to be in a different format e.g 'Start/Finish SD805727' but my garming doesn't accept this format? Googling the way to convert it now, but if anyone knows - I'd hate to convert the coordinates wrong and follow my compass to somewhere completely different!