New safety rules

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Originally Posted by Buhnting

You see, you've done it again. All i'm getting here is white noise. Try and stand on the roof and twiddle the aerial a little bit.

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In english, FRA were worried enough to decide to go ltd because of the risk it posed to them personally.
So trying to tell RO's there is no risk sounds hypocritical to me.

Did that do it for you?

Why all the fuss about the rules being updated this year. Put the amended rules as they are now in the calendar and let them stand for this year then amendments can be made for next years calendar. Not saying I agree with the rule changes, I don't, but surely it not a now or never change.

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Originally Posted by alwaysinjured

In english, FRA were worried enough to decide to go ltd because of the risk it posed to them personally.
So trying to tell RO's there is no risk sounds hypocritical to me.

Did that do it for you?

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Yes thank you. Picture perfect!

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Originally Posted by alwaysinjured

The overriding question:
Why the F*** say anything at all?

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That's where I'm coming from with respect to the FRA Paperwork.

I'd be quite happy to bear the responsibility to set out an overview of a race of mine and indeed I have done so.
eg. For my race at Witton

The races start on the Show Field in Witton Park and are based around a clockwise loop of approx 3.5km which climbs to the Summit of Billinge Woods before descending back down to Witton Park.

Underfoot is mixed terrain, mainly dirt trails, but with some grass and gravel. Athletes will encounter steps, tree roots and some drainage gutters on the route as well as some short, steep sections of climb and twisty fast descents.
Due to the nature of the venue these races are suitable for athletes with an endurance background who may be inexperienced or new to fell running. The route is fully off-road with significant climb, but enclosed in a small area, fully marked and extensively marshalled.

However the terrain should not be underestimated. The amount of ascent in all the races is at the higher end of the B Category and the race is certainly a test of speed, agility and endurance.

So if I publish that as a PDF link on the FRA Events page and also a link on the relevant website, as well as posting it on the day, that informs all athletes what to expect.
No one can come and say "it's steep", or "I fell down the steps" and claim that the RO had failed them.

I'd much rather take responsibility myself in this way, than have pre-ordained directives that I feel an obligation to follow and maybe have no or little relevance to me.

My race and Wynn's are poles apart, and we also have different backgrounds. So surely our unity should carry some weight?

How illuminating - there are hardly any differences in the new rules from the ones we've had for ages! What on earth's all the fuss about?!

what do you want everyone to do George. Start all over again? This isn't like satellite TV with FRA Forum +1 you know ;)
Read through it, if you can be bothered. Then ask away.

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Originally Posted by alwaysinjured

"As outlined in the Summer edition of The Fellrunner, the committee of the
Association believes that it is unreasonable, unfair and unnecessary for each member
of the committee, all of whom are volunteers, to be wholly responsible for all the
debts and liabilities of the Association, by virtue of the legal principle of joint and
several liability.
The move to incorporate is to primarily address this risk, to protect the assets of the
Association within a shell of limited liability, to be clear that members themselves
have no liability to the body beyond a nominal £1.00 each and to allow the
Association to enter into contracts and other relationships in its own right, something
it currently has to do, having no separate legal status, via individual members of its
committee"

Limiting liability to £1 each. RO have no such limitation.

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are RO's being hung out to dry when committee views the risk to themselves above that of the race organisers

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Originally Posted by George

How illuminating - there are hardly any differences in the new rules from the ones we've had for ages! What on earth's all the fuss about?!

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Er... a death in a fell race where the RO unfortunately didn't realise the runner was missing for a while might be a big part of it!

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Originally Posted by wynn

are RO's being hung out to dry when committee views the risk to themselves above that of the race organisers

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Appears that way but where are the grump and the rest of the committee to answer such questions Wynn.

You and all RO have my full support, being going down hill since uka got involved.

why can't I edit my post???
if the FRA committee feels the need to be ltd (because they are volunteers)- that must mean that they feel under threat... so to tell RO's (who are also volunteers) that there is no risk is a bit off to say the least... Add to that that they are encouraging RO's to register their races with No formal rules in place.. must put the ball firmly in their court if there is found to be a case of a RO running a race that is not compliant with the rules when ever they get sorted out.
Further to my comment that the registration date should be put back until the rules are finalised.... the calendar cannot be printed until the rules are sorted anyway - so what's the rush