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Have a skeg at the route on google earth. It is very easy to navigate and there will almost certainly be people around you. I suppose in the clag you could go wrong coming off Ingleborough (or you could fall into the Braithwaite Wife Hole on the way up).
It's an OS grid reference, you need to convert to Lat Long:Quote:
Originally Posted by stubar
http://www.movable-type.co.uk/script...g-gridref.html
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Originally Posted by RichK
sorry for being a nuisance, but which numbers to I move to my Garmin as there isn't space for them all.
Enter latitude/longitude values or OS grid references into the test boxes to try out the calculations:
WGS84 Lat/Lon 54°09′00.7204″N 002°17′57.4178″W OSGB36 Lat/Lon 54°09′00.1138″N 002°17′52.1632″W OS Grid Ref SD805727= 380550,472750
My Garming has the format
N 54°09.720'
W 002°17.417'
There's some info here which should help:
http://www.maptools.com/UsingLatLon/Formats.html
Or try a different converter. This one here:
http://www.nearby.org.uk/coord.cgi?p=SD805727
Gives the result in lat/long 54.149749 -2.300045 (WGS84)
I don't have that model, but I think garmins accept Lat/Long?
Sorry, I couldn't see for looking. On the last link I posted, you can see near the bottom under "copyable" they give the reference as decimal degrees and minutes, which is what you want:
54:8.98493N 2:18.00270W (ie N 54°08.985' , W 2°18.003')
So you would enter 54, 8 and 985 for North
2, 18 and 003 for the West.
Tip: go to google maps and enter N 54°08.985' , W 2°18.003 and it shows you the spot, so you can double check their calculations).
the only format I seem to be able to enter coordinates is e.g N 54°09'00.7 W 002°17'57.1 (i can change between 3 different types of this format, but this one seems to be the one I have made success with)Quote:
Originally Posted by RichK
I just entered this and google mapped it and it points to the start position so I'm quite happy that this is good. Thanks :)
Just curious where the 59, 09, 007 came from? Are you entering the right numbers? It's not a big difference but we're getting different locations. For other grid references there could be a massive difference.
For SD805727, the location is somewhere in the field. Your location is landing on the road.
Take the north, the calculator gives this as 54 (degrees) 8 (minutes) 59.096 (seconds)
So this is either 54, 8, 59.096 if Garmin accepts degrees minutes seconds, or 54 (degrees), 8.985 (minutes) if it is just degrees and minutes (because 59.096 seconds is 0.985 of a minute)
Sorry everyone for hijacking the thread.
My running contribution: watch out for Shake Holes.
and bogs!;)
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Originally Posted by RichK
Bit worried about all this rain and want some advice on shoes. I'm thinking flippers at the moment!
I'm doing the Fellsman on the same day and will be wearing my INOV8 roclites mainly because I've worn them all winter in snow, mud & bogs and they are more comfortable on long runs than my mudclaws. If it helps, I wore them last year on the 3ps race when it was sunny and dry but also on a recent run of the 3ps when it was wet and boggy and they were very good on both runs. You just need a bit of grip and some shoes that drain well!
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Originally Posted by Donkeyforth
I'm sticking to Mizuno Wave Harriers, my general purpose shoe for non extreme terrain. Good balance of grip and comfort. I certainly wouldn't want hard studs even in this wet weather.
I've done it twice and can't ever remember being even slightly concerned about navigation.
Can't help with converting co-ordinates, though.
I'm with Hes. Worn my Roclite 312's for most long races & they are a perfect mixture of grip, comfort & cushioning. Worn them for the last two 3 P's. (not the same ones !)
Glad you've put that Rich' as I'll be wearing my Harriers too,the only trouble is with them they let in water like no other shoe I've ever worn,they also dry out like.......Quote:
Originally Posted by RichK
Looking forward to Saturday!!!!
As no-one has mentioned the route change at the top of Penyghent can I assume everyone has taken it on board or is there going to be complete chaos as everyone goes the wrong way?
and dont forget hat and gloves which are now mandatory
hi was after a place for saturday if anybody has one.know its a longshot but would be very grateful if anyone can help
They should have adopted that route yonks ago. Its not much of a change anyway - follow the wall after the trig towards Plover Hill for what 500 yards and then swerve to the leftQuote:
Originally Posted by geronimo
I have a red hat and gloves for total rule compliance :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geronimo
I went up Monday night to have a look Stolly and missed the swerve to the left and ran to the stile at the next wall so had to backtrack. I assume in reality we will be cutting the corner as the map supplied on the website suggest a sharp left just before the stile but I could not see a path there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
You might struggle a bit, no substitutions are allowed on race day and online substitution ended on March 31st according to the website. If you were thinking of running under someone else's name that might be a bit tricky too, last year you needed ID to collect your number.Quote:
Originally Posted by simon jones24
hi sorry they're very strict with entries, you could substitute until about 3 weeks ago but closed now. They ask for proof of ID at registration.Quote:
Originally Posted by simon jones24
Stubar - you won't need to navigate unless you are likely to beat 3 hrs or are going to take over 5.5hrs. If you are like me and are an average runner (4-4.5hrs) you will always be close to a fellow runner and won't even need to get a map out, let alone a compass or garmin. Enjoy your day out - it's going to be a boggy 1 compared to the last 3 years, but heat won't be an issue. There is also a thread running on what shoes to wear - I have done it in Wave Harriers a couple of times, but may go for a lighter shoe this year - Talons if this "drought" continues. Good luck
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Originally Posted by stubar
If you were thinking of running under someone else's name.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
"The race is held under UK Athletics laws, FRA and 3 Peaks competition rules. Any breach of the rules will result in disqualification from the 2012/13/14 races which period may be extended."
Very true (I was trying to avoid being called an arsehole again :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGrump
come and do Fellsman- there are places!!
Navigation could be a problem. It would be quite easy to lose sight of people in the clag when going up Whernside for example, so if visibility is down there are parts of the route where you could lose contact.
I think this is the case with all fell races and individuals have to be responsible.
I know several athletes went wrong in the Stan Bradshaw recently despite knowing the terrain very well.
Looks like our posts crossed. Why would he call you an arsehole? You were polite and didnt call him irresponsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob Furness
I ageee with wp, that talk of following others is dangerous. The weather is probably going to be awful. Everyone responsible for navigation. I think whernside will be flagged though (point still stands).
Its a bit wrong people plotting coordinates into those bloody watches why dont you use a compass ?
It's also cheating according to the FRA's rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
Its also a bit pointless as the route is pretty much impossible to get lost on, especially with such a large field of runners. The only conceivable bit of the race that needs navigation in poor visibility is the ascent of Whernside but, unless you're right at the front of the race an easy to follow trod will be created by the first dozen or so runners
I'll be in roclite 319s. They checked my id last year (thought it was because I look so young!).
Would love to do fellsman.but have the kids to look after at night.maybe next year
Groan. For the avoidance of any doubt, I was merely answering a question about co-ordinates. I have no plans to cheat by programming any checkpoints into a garmin or similar device.
I'm going to regret asking, but I'm curious about which rule? Must be the UKA rule that forbids the use of any technical device (except heart rate monitors)? I guess a compass could be considered a technical device, but that would be daft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan
(a similar UKA rule bans runners from not wearing at least a vest, but that rule doesn't get applied!)
Replies, if any, to this question must be answered bearing in mind that I have no intention of using any such technical device and will probably wear at least a vest, I'm just interested.
The 3 peaks is a pussy cat compared... ;) ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by simon jones24
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http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/695/fellsman.jpg
My understanding is: the compass is there as a mandatory (where stated) piece of safety equipment. Any other bit of gear is a technical device that could be considered as giving the user an unfair advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichK
Maybe a RO can shed light.
can i wear my watch to monitor : distance run,pace, heart rate and time? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brotherton Lad
People wear those all the time. It's an interesting area for rules and rapidly moving technology. Fortunately I'm not responsible for either drafting them or applying them.Quote:
Originally Posted by stubar
Common sense (to me) says a watch etc is entirely fine, a GPS navigational aid probably isn't and a HRM is interesting (never heard a runner protest that someone else was monitoring his heart rate and therefore had an advantage, but you never know). I expect what gets tricky is when you have a single bit of kit that can do all of those functions.
Probably worth a thread all on its own (along with the definition of waterproof and hat). The above are merely personal opinions, I've no FRA authority. FRA events have to abide by UKA General Rules 1 to 24 plus specific FRA Rules. UKA Rules are, of course, built around athletic events in general. I suspect, though I don't know, that a HRM would get frowned on in a 5000m championship race on the track.
Fell running goes "complicated" ! Get your shoes on & run. That's what I say.