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I agree entirely. cant believe those people who say" it was a bit squelshy". They must have been at the front coz it was thick mud at the back. I set off slowly and felt reasonably comfortable except the first and last sections with the wind which definately slowed me down. I came in over 5 mins longer than last year but found the climbs easier....Who knows??
I felt I was running so slow I may as well have been picking the flowers along the way. I didn't know if I'd be able to get to the end so my priority was to keep my pace right down. Terrible cramp stopped me from speeding up at the half-way point and I didn't enjoy the boggy section before Whernside (that brought on the cramp). Apart from those horrible calf cramps, my running felt comfortable all the way . . I loved the path to Ingleborough - such an easy surface after the bogs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggie May
Maggie keep massaging those legs.
Same....I love this event and the marshalls a are a fantastic bunch but I was starving afterwards and had to wait till I got home to eat again. Hate to moan but for a £20 entry fee the food needs to be more efficiently dished out and also a veggie option provided.Tthe first yearI did it I queued for ages and it was a hog roast with no veggie alternative,last year I had to walk /crawl to the other side of the field for an egg sarnie and this year I took 1 look at the loooong queue, smelt the bacon and burgers frying, threw my meal ticket in the bin , got in the car and drove home.....a piece of cake and mug of tea might be quicker and easier....
As for the stiles, we had to jump them at 8 miles because of the big gang of walkers blocking the gates (not their fault, they were having a great day out too it was just a bit mad and with every second counting at that point)
I'm with you Maggie. Didn't wait to stand around on tired legs queueing for my meal. I'm not complaining mind. I just hopped in my car & ate when I got home & have been eating ever since.
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Originally Posted by Maggie May
I did it last year Maggie May and there was a big pot of delicious bean stew under the bench where they were serving the barbecue stuff. I didn't even need to queue as the queue was for the meat. I think someone told me it was there though because I wouldn't have known otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Maggie May
Quick question, what did you guys (who did the race) think of the new decent from the summit of Pen-y-Ghent?
I liked it and my club mates seemed to like it.
how do you reckon it effected things? time wise? What 300m longer? what's it like underfoot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Womble
I've never liked that section against the runners anyway.
You're doing it all Pete Tong. I ask my wife to queue for the food while I get the Copper Dragon beers down me neck. Then she drives me home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jez Hellewell
Had a look on this year and last year's traces. From PYG summit to rejoining the track I was 1min30 slower this year. That's on 3h:40min overall pace. Was slower overall this year anyway - so prob only a minute or so in it I reckon, if that. And clearly less for you and the front runners Iain.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
300 meters longer? I wouldn't have thought so but without doing an accurate A squared plus B squared = C squared hypotanuse calculation I can't be sure :D. Half of new line was the normal track to Plover Hill followed by no more than a couple of hundred meters over tussocks that will have soon become a trod with 900 runners whizzing over it. It would certainly be less dangerous than a head on collision anyway :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Yeah I had a few near hits there in the past 2 years.. it seemed a good idea. At that stage of the race the field is still congested.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Great event but I have to agree about the food!
I found it better too. Faster & less dodging !
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Originally Posted by Womble
Based on Google Earth it's somewhere between 200 & 300m and it's hard to judge more accurately as I don't know the precise line we took. The old line is 840m from turning point to the hairpin bend and the new line I judged at between 1050m & 1100m so it's going to add between 1 minute and 2 minutes depending on the athlete.
Over 100 ' dnf's and some top names in there too. I don't feel quite so bad now having sacked the race at the top of Penygent. Back next year for my 11th 3P. I have finished most of them, honest ! )
Just interested - anyone else think that underfoot is was drier than they expected given that it had rained pretty much consistently for the previous 2 weeks? A few minor boggy bits (in the usual places), but nothing serious I thought.
Just one or two comments over on the post-3P-footwear debate thread suggested some people thought it was a bit wet...
I don't think it would have been too bad, other than maybe that little bit down to Sell Gill Pot after Whitber Hill, the muddy hill just as the route leaves the Pennine Way heading for High Birkwith and the swampy dip immediately prior to the assault on Whernside. (The race route cuts out all of the brilliant bogs ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by fozzy
I had a fantastic time up and down Penyghent, alas once again the section from Tarn Bar to Ribblehead did for me again. For the second time I misjudged the distance and went far too easy, nursing myself with Whernside in mind, only to miss the cut off. I'm usually good at pace and hitting targets. Although I missed it badly, it's partly because I realised the game was up at Lodge Hall and the toys went out of the pram.
If I go again, that section will have been practised until I know every feature and time point along the way!
I definitely made a bad choice of shoes in Wave Harriers, I desperately needed studs.
Firmly agree that it's 3 AS races with a cheeky 6 mile fast trail race slipped in between. I'm fine with the 3 AS bits, need to sort out the trail race!
What a great event though, a magical sense of occasion. And really we were lucky with the weather, the rain stopped pretty much dead on the start time.
Yeah I've got it as about .15 miles (about 240m) longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
As I've put on the other thread, it wasn't horrendous and I've certainly reccied in worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Yes it was even drier than expected - but that meant thicker mud rather than sloppy mud and it clung to the footwear.
The new section off the top of PYG, also sections of the decent from Ingleborough weren't so good, but more slippy than muddy in parts due to the wet, muddy footwear that had already gone through.
Probably the backmarkers saw the worst of it.
Definitely agree, it was a lot better than I thought it was going to be. The ground itself wasn't too bad at all and for the front runners I can't imagine it would have caused many problems. It was starting to get ridiculously muddy in places for me, and I was running in about 300th position (maybe a bit nearer the front at the end) so I can imagine that it must have been horrendous for those at the back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
As for the descent of PYG - it's definitely an improvement! Nice runable grassy ground and no worries about ploughing into anyone. Can't say it added much more to my time but I'm not sure as I was a lot faster this year anyway.
Ahh thats the answer. Clearly I need to get meself a wife!
It surprised me how good the going was - I fully expected the bogs to be deeper, the water to be higher & the ground to be slippier & quite frankly was dreading the paved bit off Whernside if it was wet. All in all though I don't think it was too bad, & I stuck with the decision on Harriers with no ill effects really, still enough grip for a bloke of my limited skill!
Had a good trot round trying to enjoy the day as I didn't feel anywhere near as fit as previously. Stopped for a few seconds here n there to chat to people I knew speccying and even used the customer loo at the Chapel le Dale butty van to answer a desperate and potentially messy call of nature :o
Surprised myself finishing only 5 minutes slower than last years time, but coincidentally in exactly the same position - 272nd. I wish I'd have put a bet on that one!
A good day out that, really enjoyed it & can't believe how good natured all the marshals were - if I'd have been stood out in that cold wind for a few hours I'd have been a seriously grumpy B'stard, so thanks to you all - it's well appreciated, & I did try to say thanks to as many as possible :thumbup:
Windermere marathon in three weeks now, better get some road training in!
I accidentally picked up my Wave Harriers as opposed to my planned Wave Ascends as there is a lot of hard ground on the peaks themselves so I wanted trail shoes for comfort. I normally only use Harriers for technical descent/tussocky fell races. I found my Harriers were perfect for the mud and tussocks but not quite cushioned enough for the amount of hard ground. I think studs would have been a bit too uncomfortable for me especially coming off Whernside and the hard surface on Ingleborough and beyond. Each to their own though!Quote:
Originally Posted by RichK
Oh - I made the cut-off but only because I panic on that long section and practically kill myself to make sure I make them and then almost collapse in a heap after Hill Inn :-) It seemed too windy for me to run comfortably..... That long section bit was harder than usual with the headwind though and I'm sure a lot of people made the same mistake.
Yeah, definitely each to their own - I think because I'm bulky and not very stable I prefer the studs on even moderate technical ground, and I don't really mind the discomfort on the hard stuff.
Oddly I didn't notice the wind on the long run - think my mind must have cleared off to the pub...
Just wondered about the stiles rule. Is it legal to dive over gates/fences, taking them clean, with a forward roll dismount back onto your feet ? Just wondered like, might get some stunt training in if it is...
Perfectly acceptable, but you're not allowed to place any landing mats on the far side, as this could be seen as using a technical aid. Good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMadRunner
What about miracle grow on the grass?..
More photies here ... http://woodentops.org.uk/index.php?t...pic=morephotos
thanks Paul, there is one of me here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul
What a great race at the weekend. As a first timer, some observations from the day include:
1. I liked the lady at the start doing the pre-race introductions. It was great to hear other runners such as Wendy Dodds and Karl Gray being interviewed
2. Thank you Salomon for the free running socks - I needed some more and they will come in handy.
3. Fair play to Rickey Gates for flying in to the UK previous day to run the race. With the jet lag, I couldn't have contemplated that. Was that the reason why he pulled out at Ribblehead?
4. Was I the only one who thought it looked daft for the 2 Salomon runners to use cycling arm warmers combined with a running top? Or is this the new look and I am just "old school".
5. Cramp, Cramp, Cramp. Wow, I have never experienced anything like it. My calves started complaining on the climb of Whernside. On the climb of Inglebugger, my thigh's and calves were in spasm. I have never had it so bad. Judging by the runners around me, I wasn't alone and other's were suffering their own private hell. 5 days on, my thighs have only started recovering.
6. I took off on the descent but the long run in caught me out. By the time I reached the limestone pavement, my energy was gone and I was reduced to a jog / walk / jog.
7. After finishing, I vowed never to run it again. However, its funny how you forget the pain and start to think where you can shave time off next year!
Craig
Anyone printed of the race certificate..........no need to pretend you're too cool / grown up - you're amongst friends............
Pity it's in Pdf format..........:)
I attempted to but it would not let me print it. Oh hang on a minute,I only got as far as Penygent !!Back next year for my 11th 3P. Completed 7,dropped out 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manhar
I didn't run the race this year but I think my very very best cramp attack was the second time I ran it (2005 maybe?). Although I thought otherwise, at the time I was completely unfit and, added to that, it was a really hot day. Cramp in my calves on Whernside, cramp in my front thighs, above my knees and my calves on Ingleborough and cramp everywhere by the finish :). I was so in pain that it took me about 15 minutes to bend to get in my car and much longer to get out when I got home. I can breeeze the route nowadays ;) :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by cyclemad
By the way don't call Ingleborough 'Inglebugger'; it feels like you are insulting one of my best places :)
Why single out Inglebugger when there's Pen-y-git and W**kside!
Some more pics, thanks to Ian Slater of Rochdale Harriers: http://www.rochdaleharriers.co.uk/ga...ian/index.html
Cramp is poorly understood though there is no doubt that in general the better trained you are the less likely you are to get it. I am not usually prone to it, and it has never affected me in my five Y3Ps - but I did get it badly BEFORE and after, but not during, my second road marathon - in which I got what is still my PB. Afterwards it was so bad I had to stop and stretch every few steps for several hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stolly
Video from the start & the climb up Pen Y Ghent - more footage to follow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogq-hIu4oDo
The 3 Peaks 2013 race entries are now open and there is a slight route change due to the upgraded path over Whitber, although I dont think it has been announced so it might change (you can now keep your feet dry!)..... , I think it might knock a min or two off the times (what do you think?)
Details of the route change
http://racingsnakes.com/blog/?p=3