I can nav, but I won't do it in a race if there is any way of avoiding it (eg reccying or following).
My only problem with people following me is that it makes me feel a certain burden of responsibility and I just don't do responsibility.
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I can nav, but I won't do it in a race if there is any way of avoiding it (eg reccying or following).
My only problem with people following me is that it makes me feel a certain burden of responsibility and I just don't do responsibility.
Utter rubbish - you did Responsibility soooo well, when I followed you over the Moors in Calderdale last year Mark !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkL
I think most of us will have been at races - for the first time, in an area we don't know, some distance from where we live... and will have 'used' others to get us round. I did it on LToB last year. I can nav, pretty well actually, but not having to phaff with a map allows you to run. I have admitted not knowing the area/route and therefore by implication admitted I am hoping to rely on the presence of others if I can. It doesn't always work out and sometimes you do end up on your own- certainly this was the case on the H110 for me. I would always shout someone back if I possibly could and am happy to share knowledge even with rivals. I would be more than angry if I went wrong and others following me then blamed me but I can't think this has ever happened.
I understand the annoyance of some when being followed. I'm never going to win a race or even be near the front end but I do know how to use a map and i try to recce races. I never used to bother about slow runners latching on until the two times near the end of the race where they sprinted off and beat me in. They wouldn't of even got round without following. I would still call someone back if they went wrong and I probably wouldn't tell them to "f off" unless they were constantly talking as that annoys me more than following. Fell running isn't like road or trail as part of the "fell running" challenge is to have the ability to navigate the beautiful hills, mountains and valleys of the land. If you were at the top of your game and someone came in before you who had been led around or followed how would you feel then? Especially if it was a race that was part of a series or championship. IMO we all have a responsibility to be able to get ourselves fairly around a race. :)
Next year I'm doing the Half Tour of Bradwell. I think it's a great route :) Hope I don't get lost now :thumbup:
I don't mind leading others round the tricky bits of navigation, provided they're open about it, & don't get competitive afterwards - after all they haven't finished the race without help have they? And usually runners don't. For example on this year's Calderdale Hike I came across a Scot called Graham wondering where to go above Haworth. I set him right & we ran together for a while. Later, I led him over the tricky bit above Pecket Well, as his navigation wasn't as good as mine, & I knew that bit. By this time he was actually a lot stronger than me, & the way is obvious once you get near Jerusalem Farm. He could have run on ahead & finished well ahead of me, but instead he stuck with me, encouraged me up that sod of a climb up from Luddenden Foot, & we finished together. Thanks again Graham! And somethign similar happened to me 3 or 4 years back towards the end of the Hebden. I picked up 2 runners who were faster than me but kept going wrong. I led them in to the finish straight, & they made sure I registered at the finish ahead of them. They didn't have to do that, but because so many runners do behave like that we've got a great long distance running community. Amateur sport at its best.
I completely agree with you Alan, very well said :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanB
Good point that Splatcher. I agree totally - great spirit in the long distance running community when people let you cross the line before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splatcher
On a different note, does anyone know when the results will be put up here?
The went up on Monday, here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Callmehobbes
Cheers.
Nice one Alan B :) I think you know me well enough to know what my 'feck off' means? ;) It was just a very knee jerk reaction to someone elses brazenness. I am not very ladylike, I never intend to be, or aspire to be.
It's all about give and take and as many proven participants have mentioned, it's about respect for everyone...I had a walker aghast at me coming down to the track before the road at Edale telling me not to hold the gate for her...of course I will, she has just as much right to use the land around her, as I do.
What Splatcher has mentioned is my sentiment exactly, I've had some top (bloke) runners finish with me that should be way ahead, but they have held back and stuck with me until the finish, but with map in hand and contributing in some way, navigationally or just moral support. And like I've mentioned, I have made some great friends that way that I've had some great days on the hill...these are the kind of people you want on big hill challenges, they have a big grasp of the bigger picture, and we all keep each other safe.
It's a hard balance - ultras are often draw a wider range of participants - traily stuff or fell - the traily folk tend to expect marked courses, the fell guys generally tend to deal with the nav better.
I think from the 'fell' point of view, what others have mentioned, including myself - it is a sense of responsibility for yourself (and in turn the others around you) that is the way it should be.
Haha cheers Helen! It was a bit annoying to wear, particularly on the descents because it kept bobbing around. I think that was my fault though because I adjusted it before the start to tighten it but I think I actually loosened it - woops!Quote:
Originally Posted by HelenSkelton
Cheers Race the Sweeper! Yup it was the more direct route. I'd reccied that bit a few days previously so knew the way despite the marshall's warning that is was boggy!Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
Had a great day on Sunday reccying this route. Really looking forward to the day itself.
One question, though, Bamford Clough (the escalator) was closed due to exposed cable "until April 2015 or until works are completed whichever is the sooner".
Whilst we slipped round the side of the barriers I don't think a few hundred runners will get away with it, wondering what the alternative route might be...
Enjoyed the day so much I may go back and do another reccie.
I don't think I will have to stop to tie my shoelaces or feign cramp, though, not many will be behind me :)
alternate route might be just to push across the Ladybower dam (where they'd have the CP instead of Thornhill Trail), down the main road and go up New Road - bit boring, but I think this might've been used in the past...?
Eeeek, maybe the road detour then. Turn left up the road then right. Cyclists use it for hill reps. I've heard them blowing out their arses coming past me. :)
You're right Daz. That was the original route we took in 2009. The organiser only introduced the 'more interesting' route from 2010 onwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by DazTheSlug
What a fabulous day yesterday.
Just three drops of rain landed on me in 8h 02m of running, the sun lit the fantastic route and overall it was a brilliant day.
Shame about the escalator being out of order :(
Many thanks to the race organisers and to the Runfurther people for making this event such a great day from start to finish.
A large crop of photos can be found here. It was a grand day.
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Originally Posted by nippersmith
Agree, great day, thanks to the organiser for the late entry and the marshals and Runfurther folk :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
Interesting to see so many runners wearing race vests...something I'm thinking about but they're so bloody expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by BritNick
Then again it is my birthday next weekend. ?worth the money (thinking Salomon 12)
This was my first ultra race and I whilst I found it tough in places I had a really great day out in the peaks - the weather was even good.
Big thanks to the organisers and all the marshals, I'm not sure I could have made it around without the bananas biscuits and jelly babies they were dishing out.
Top race!
I don't mind the escalator, but that road section after it is horrible. I preferred this year's route myself. Anyway, you've already got the link to Nick's photos - good pics Nick! - and I've just updated the Runfurther website with the Bradwell results.
I was more than an hour slower than last year. It's taking forever to get my stamina back. Four months with no running, and now I've been back running for over 2 months, but I'm nowhere near where I was before the injury.
Still - it was a great race as ever, & I was glad to finish in one piece. One runner ended up bramble-bound when he went astray on the descent into Bradwell, & needed rescuing by Mountain Rescue. There but for fortune...
I realise I'm a bit previous here
but I've not been well - although working my way back to fitness now
as a result I have made no firm plans for May, June or July in terms of target races
August though... I could maybe be vaguely fit by then
AHA! Long Tour!
I took last Friday off work and did a 19M loop of the latter half in reverse:
Leadmill bridge - Lawrence Field - Toad's Mouth - Upper Burbage (via valley floor) - Stanage Edge - to top of Bamford Escalator (still shut btw), down the road to Yorkshire Bridge, straight up to Win Hill trig via Parkin Clough(!), down to Thornhill, across the road and up via Shatton to the mast, rejoining the route at Abney Moor, then down via Abney to Stoke Ford and back to car at Leadmill bridge.
glorious day out
I love this route so much
entered today
see you there :)
Thinking of doing the Half. Is there much in the way of tricky navigation? Would it be much of a stretch navigation-wise to the Full Tour? Thanks
I did the half 2 years ago. I was glad I had recce'd it but more because I ran the whole race on my own in front, rather than any tricky nav. However, if you do want to run it without looking at the map, you should recce.
Fitness was improving well til a slight setback with a shin injury, but seem to have just about got fit enough for this not to be a bad idea ;)
I know Splatcher and BritNick are also down for this - anybody else toeing the line on Saturday...?
I'm doing the long tour....my first ultra. It's just a lovely nice day in the hills....yeah?!
Saving myself for the Bullock Smithy Daz! Have fun though...and Nick and Splatcher. Seems like one I should have a pop at one time. :)
I will be thee and have persuadedmy husband todo the Long this year!
I'll be having a crack at the full, last did it in 2010. Hoping I don't feel as rough on the climbs as at Dovedale Dipper yesterday - there's a lot more and they are a lot bigger!
I too am having a go. Recced the second half from Ladybower and back on Monday. Very enjoyable.
Steve
sounds like there's going to be a big forum turnout on this one - Excellent! :)
cyclops - this was my first ultra too! (although you may not want to read my post #171 from 2010! ;) )
fjell_guy - I am giving Bullock a miss this year :eek:, doing HP40 instead...
Well that was tougher than I remembered!
Definitely a great route, shame I wasn't in much of a state to enjoy it after the haul up Stanage - a little longer and hillier than I've trained for.
Hope everyone had a good day.
Ah yes, twas a great day out, and there had to be a blog that accompanied it....
http://testedtodestruction.blogspot....well-2015.html
My first ever ultra race, and first time running (well run/walking) beyond marathon distance. Cheers to the other runners for the company along the way and to the RO for a great event, marshals were brilliant
http://runningdelights.blogspot.co.u...rst-ultra.html
A great race as always, but a rubbish run from me. Anyway, I've written a brief account of my run & put it on the Runfurther.com website, along with an updated Runfurther leaderboard.
It's that time again. It looks as though it'll be a warm one as usual. I'll see some of the usual suspects there - splatcher (if he gets back from holiday in time), DazTheSlug, Karen N, anyone else?
seesyall there :)
last year I was woefully unfit, it was hot, I suffered from the ascent of Back Tor onward and ended up clocking 9:39
this year... I am woefully unfit, it's going to be hot... so I'M DETERMINED :mad: to take it easy early on and at least enjoy it a bit more even if I end up clocking similar time...
Good luck people! Fantastic effort to go out and do this after L100 Nick!! Relax and enjoy it Daz, will we see you at BullockS this year? I just don't get enough weekends to compete as regularly as you guys. Shame really!