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I think my problem is that I haven't done much racing this year and my speed training has been over short distances. I'm the fastest over them that I've ever been but I do suffer afterwards. I think Fjellguy is right but I can't face long distance road miles. I think in 2011 I was still road racing but it petered out because I just prefer off-road running and racing. Hmmmm...interesting to think about it. Going to log it and leave it for now as I have some long distance challenges coming up which will require a different mindset, more stamina and strength than speed I think.
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keep it i say ( the standards)
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Masham Man
So many of you out there have talked about cramping or seen people cramping on this years 3 peaks. I use Elete and found it brill at warding off cramps, give it a go I think you will be impressed.
Cheers MM - might check this out. My problem might have been feeling too good at Chapel-le-dale so not taking on board what I intended to! Paid for it later.
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Hes
I think my problem is that I haven't done much racing this year and my speed training has been over short distances. I'm the fastest over them that I've ever been but I do suffer afterwards. I think Fjellguy is right but I can't face long distance road miles. I think in 2011 I was still road racing but it petered out because I just prefer off-road running and racing. Hmmmm...interesting to think about it. Going to log it and leave it for now as I have some long distance challenges coming up which will require a different mindset, more stamina and strength than speed I think.
It does get quite tricky trying to train for a variety of events. Even if you think they have a similarity. Ultra distance runs are different to train for than long fells, such as Ennerdale. Then if you fancy a marathon too it does require some balancing of training efforts. Not entirely sure if its a little to do with the level I'm at i.e. steady, last third or so. Also I don't run massive distance so I find the limited training I do has to be more specific close to the event.
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that_fjell_guy
Not sure I like this idea either. Its a long hard run just to get told your 2nd class. Better to give a medal for achieving a specific time. Say sub 3.30-40 hrs or something? I think Gisborough Moors Race used to give medals for a sub 90 mins result.
I would rather have a medal than queuing up for ages for vegetable stew
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geronimo
I would rather have a medal than queuing up for ages for vegetable stew
Maybe that is in fact the reward; if you're fast enough for 1st class you avoid the queue.
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It's a tough old race and anybody who gets round has the right to pat themselves on the back, even if the certificate rating pours cold water on your efforts! It isn't such a bad thing though and can be used as motivation for future efforts. Anyway I reckon we all know our place in the world of athletics and I'd say there are few fell runners who don't possess modesty and humility, funnily enough especially the good ones who actually have every right to boast. I certainly know my place, Mr Symonds was probably changed and heading for the tea and cake hut when I was dibbing on top of Ingleborough. I have no qualms about being second class, it's a matter of fact! This was my 4th year at 3P and I would have to say you learn summat every year in both the training up to it and race day itself. On Saturday I was 17 mins quicker than my 2010 time, but climbing up Whernside and going up Ingleborough has chewed me up and spat me out every year. If I could just harden up a bit and nail that section then perhaps knock another 17 mins off by 2017 and 3.27 might get me a first class ticket! I can dream, age and body might have the final say though I suppose. What a great event, more or less same faces every year tells it's own story.
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Its fantastic to see that the ground was a bit soft and muddy for a change (judging by Hes's fell shoes anyway :) ) and that there were lots of cramp attacks on Whernside (said he with a sadistic chortle). Every now and then this fell race takes some flack as being nothing more than a hilly 'trail' race and not worthy of its category A status (as it technically doesn't meet the ascent per mile threshold) but, pound for pound, I'd bet that this race finds more runners out than virtually any other on the calendar. I think its the combination of the long drawn out fast section from PyG to Ribblehead followed by the sharp and squidgy climb up Whernside that does it for lots of runners :) :)
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JJ73
It's a tough old race and anybody who gets round has the right to pat themselves on the back, even if the certificate rating pours cold water on your efforts! It isn't such a bad thing though and can be used as motivation for future efforts.
Absolutely. It being my first go at this, I didn't realise at the time that I could/should have been trying harder, even though my time was better than I expected, because I was more concerned about keeping enough in reserve to get all the way round. On reflection I have to say I found it kind of easy compared to other races and long runs in training. So I have to take "2nd class" on the chin and just get my backside in gear next time!
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I agree fully !
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Stolly
Its fantastic to see that the ground was a bit soft and muddy for a change (judging by Hes's fell shoes anyway :) ) and that there were lots of cramp attacks on Whernside (said he with a sadistic chortle). Every now and then this fell race takes some flack as being nothing more than a hilly 'trail' race and not worthy of its category A status (as it technically doesn't meet the ascent per mile threshold) but, pound for pound, I'd bet that this race finds more runners out than virtually any other on the calendar. I think its the combination of the long drawn out fast section from PyG to Ribblehead followed by the sharp and squidgy climb up Whernside that does it for lots of runners :) :)
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My first time and really enjoyed it. Whernside was steep but the real battle was not stopping g in the steady ascent of the flags up Ingleborough
I had to have a serious word with myself to keep moving, that and not relaxing too much on the descent off Ingleborough.
All in a great race and glad I wore fell shoes. Hope to do it again next year.
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that_fjell_guy
I tend to think people cramp more on this than other long fell races because of the amount of flat(ish) fast(ish) running involved. Most long fell races tend to be more broken up and there are more opportunities to slip a little walk in. Also Whernside is very steep at the top then pretty steep and straight into hard running off the top. I found I benifited from treating it a little bit more like a marathon and getting a bit more long flat road work in, if your training for long Lakes or Scottish/Welsh races the hills look after themselves to a degree. Sounds like most people had a good day and some great times.
I'm sure a lot of fellrunners can relate to this, but it's horses for courses and I find the reverse is true in my case. If I get cramp it's always on very rough ground that involves lifting the legs higher than normal to avoid rocks, grass tussocks etc. I've never had cramp in any road, trail, or XC event of any length or intensity.
I set off on this one fairly confident that a PB was on the cards after training hard and running faster than I have for some time, I even tapered properly (which is rare for me). Got to PYG feeling comfortable and running well within myself, but once the descent through the hail was out of the way and we hit the harder surface trail I just couldn't run downhill. The fatigue at the top of my legs (where they meet the pelvis) was like nothing I'd felt before and could only manage a steady jog on all three descents. The long stretch to Ribblehead and climb up Whernside were fine, but the descent to Hill Inn nearly finished me off. The descent from Ingleborough was just a trudge and finished with a new PW of 4:19.
Looking back at it most of my training over the last 4 months has been on trail or road with plenty of speedwork and a few shorter fell races in the Peak thrown in. The lack of running on big hills with long descents is obvious and I'm certain my legs paid for that.
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All 6 sets of pics up now, enjoy http://www.woodentops.org.uk/
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Great pics of a great day out... But why did I have to pull up with cramp, teeth gritted in agony etc, 10 metres away from Dave's trusty lens?
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Did anyone GPS the reace? Looking for a trace approx 5 hours as mine didn't record. Just keeps my electronic training log going.
email to [email protected] if you can help.
Cheers
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Witton Park
Did anyone GPS the reace? Looking for a trace approx 5 hours as mine didn't record. Just keeps my electronic training log going.
email to
[email protected] if you can help.
Cheers
Yes (4hrs 56). Will sort it out and email you some point this week.
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fozzy
Yes (4hrs 56). Will sort it out and email you some point this week.
Cheers - much appreciated.
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Witton Park
Did anyone GPS the reace? Looking for a trace approx 5 hours as mine didn't record. Just keeps my electronic training log going.
email to
[email protected] if you can help.
Cheers
Hi Witton Park, link to my details if any use (4:47)
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/304523900
Mart.
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Some superb pics here from Ian Slater, taken at the Whernside stream crossing: http://rochdaleharriers.co.uk/galler.../is/index.html
