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Lake District 3000 Footers
I was reading 'Joss' last night and came across this.
Keswick - Skiddaw, Scafell, Scafell Pike, Helvellyn - Keswick.
I cant remember the exact figures but it was in the regions of 45 miles with myabe 18,000ft of climbing and he did it in under 9 hours.
Now, i know im a long way off being able to run 45 miles and that much climbing but it tempted to set my sights on having a bass at it in the next decade.;)
Anyone else done it? Does joss still hold the record...(sorry if theres already a thread on it, couldnt find it)
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I think I remember reading about an LDWA Lakes 3000s challenge event. No longer run because of conditions in Lords Rake?
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Never really fancied this because of the road involved (basically all the way down Borrowdale after Skiddaw and later on back to Keswick after dropping off Helvellyn), although you could obviously choose to stay high if you wished. For my money the Old County Tops is a much better route. Anyway I understand that if you really want to do the Lakes 3000' it actually should involve 8 summits?
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Get the book "Lakeland Mountain Challenges" by Ronald Turnbull and Roy Clayton.
Chapter 1. The Lakes Threethousands: a 45-mile trek over Skiddaw.
This book also some information about the Bob Graham Round.
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COUGAR
Never really fancied this because of the road involved (basically all the way down Borrowdale after Skiddaw and later on back to Keswick after dropping off Helvellyn), although you could obviously choose to stay high if you wished. For my money the Old County Tops is a much better route. Anyway I understand that if you really want to do the Lakes 3000' it actually should involve 8 summits?
I didnt really think about the route until i got the map out last night and i didnt realise how much road there was.
Bit of a shame really, looked a goood challenge.
But as you say you could go higher and find alternative off-road routes where possible.
I'll investigate what the Old County Tops is.
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Skiddaw puts me off everthing lol, anything but bloody Skiddaw!!
Its SO Steep!!! :o
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ukhursty
Skiddaw puts me off everthing lol, anything but bloody Skiddaw!!
Its SO Steep!!! :o
I know what you mean, my calfs still havent recovered from the climb up it in july during the race.:D
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Al Fowler
I know what you mean, my calfs still havent recovered from the climb up it in july during the race.:D
What makes it worse is that its the most boring, un-characteristic hill in the whole of the Lakes, its just one solid steep lump of mountain hehe.
A giant mole-hill with one trod leading all the way up pretty much.
To be fair though, its much better from the north side, I've mountain biked up there, past Skiddaw House, on onwards, but the Keswick side....no thanks! :D
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ukhursty
Skiddaw puts me off everthing lol, anything but bloody Skiddaw!!
Its SO Steep!!! :o
Try the kirk fell race 2.4m 2500ft now thats climbing :o
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I did this route back in 1999 and although there is something like 15 miles of road involved, in my opinion it is still a great day out.
I used Lord's rake at the time but would probably avoid it nowadays.
If you get Skiddaw out of the way first you get a nice long recovery run down Borrowdale before climbing the Scafells. For me the toughest section was the climb over High Raise from Stake Pass, although I can honestly say the last 5 or so miles back to Keswick along the A591 were the least appreciated 5 miles I've ever done.
If you fancy a big long day out without the amount of training required for the BGR then give it a go.:)
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Derby Tup
I think I remember reading about an LDWA Lakes 3000s challenge event. No longer run because of conditions in Lords Rake?
Know as the Four 3000s and was actually a YHA event They did run a version without Sca Fell (Three 3000s) but it attracted very little interest and that was dropped too.
Lords Rake is the problem
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I'll investigate what the Old County Tops is.[/QUOTE]
Its a great day out for teams of two from Langdale visiting the county tops of Cumberland, Westmorland and Lancashire - Helvellyn, Scafell Pike and Consiton Old Man. Usually held late May (it will be in the calendar). I've done it about half a dozen times but not for a few years, its just a bit too close to Jura and some other big races after that for comfort.
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For Old County Tops info. look no further than http://www.achille-ratti-climbing-cl...ce-results.php here you find the 2010 entry form plus the route, photos and results. See you in May.....
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i'm thinking of giving it a go in the spring, gonna do skiddaw first to get it out of the way! Will see how i feel at helvellyn as to whether to go down the road or stay high for a bit.
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I was under the impression that the record for this round was something like seven and a half hours, but stand to be corrected. It was a Ramblers Association event held on the Saturday nearest to mid-summers' day. I did my own version of this round on the mid summer Saturday of 1988 ( did not register with RA ):- Keswick, Skiddaw, back down as far as the car park, then E on the continuation of the car park road ( a track across fields ) to Brundleholme, crossed A66 and picked up the field footpath down St. Johns in the Vale (W side of St. John's Beck ) to Legburthwaite, just 1/2 mile on A 591 to King's Head then the white stones route to Helvellyn Low Man and Helvellyn, the old fence down to Raise Beck, Dunmail Raise, Steel Fell through to Stake Pass, Angle Tarn, Esk Hause, Calf Cove, Ill Crag, Broad Crag, Scafell Pike, Lords Rake, Symmonds Knot, Scafell, Lords Rake, Corridor Route, Styhead, Seathwaite, Borrowdale, Keswick. Took in all of the 8x 3000 foot tops, but virtually zeroed the tedium of the A 591. And most of Borrowdale is now a footpath seperate from the road.
Ian.
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wheezing donkey
I was under the impression that the record for this round was something like seven and a half hours, but stand to be corrected. It was a Ramblers Association event held on the Saturday nearest to mid-summers' day. I did my own version of this round on the mid summer Saturday of 1988 ( did not register with RA ):- Keswick, Skiddaw, back down as far as the car park, then E on the continuation of the car park road ( a track across fields ) to Brundleholme, crossed A66 and picked up the field footpath down St. Johns in the Vale (W side of St. John's Beck ) to Legburthwaite, just 1/2 mile on A 591 to King's Head then the white stones route to Helvellyn Low Man and Helvellyn, the old fence down to Raise Beck, High Raise, Steel Fell through to Stake Pass, Angle Tarn, Esk Hause, Calf Cove, Ill Crag, Broad Crag, Scafell Pike, Lords Rake, Symmonds Knot, Scafell, Lords Rake, Corridor Route, Styhead, Seathwaite, Borrowdale, Keswick. Took in all of the 8x 3000 foot tops, but vitually zeroed the tedium of the A 591.
Ian.
That sounds quality Ian.
Have you any idea what the distance/climb would be of your version?
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Al,
Myself and two friends measured it, independently. We all came up with pretty much the same figures as the Rammblers Assiociation's published figures for their route: - 44 miles and 10,000 feet.
Ian.
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wheezing donkey
Al,
Myself and two friends measured it, independently. We all came up with pretty much the same figures as the Rammblers Assiociation's published figures for their route: - 44 miles and 10,000 feet.
Ian.
Cheers Ian.
I'll put it on my list
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wheezing donkey
I was under the impression that the record for this round was something like seven and a half hours, but stand to be corrected. It was a Ramblers Association event held on the Saturday nearest to mid-summers' day.
That's how I remember it. I also didn't enter the event but have been up there a few times when it's been on.
I also thought the record was 7and 1/2 hours-ish, Joss Naylor was the holder and the year-1978, but his shiny new book (which I also got for christmas) lists 8 hrs 20mins, in 1970 so my famously crap memory maintains it's reputation.:o
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wheezing donkey
I was under the impression that the record for this round was something like seven and a half hours, but stand to be corrected
I thought someone from Borrowdale set the record in the eighties ;)
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fellgazelle
That's how I remember it. I also didn't enter the event but have been up there a few times when it's been on.
I also thought the record was 7and 1/2 hours-ish, Joss Naylor was the holder and the year-1978, but his shiny new book (which I also got for christmas) lists 8 hrs 20mins, in 1970 so my famously crap memory maintains it's reputation.:o
Yes! I just dragged Bill Smith's SMOTS down from the top shelf:-
Page 107, 2nd paragraph:-
"Naylor had previously set a record of 8 hours 24 minutes for the Four 3,000s course in the 1970 Ramblers Marathon, but on his run in June 1975, he lowered it to 7 hours 29 minutes. He may well have broken 7 hours had the weather not been so inclement:
'The mist was down into Keswick and the wind was gale force. I ran from Seathwaite back to Keswick with two cagoules to maintain body heat. Broadstand was like a waterfall and I had to use Lords Rake instead. From Helvellyn shelter to the cairn I had to crawl on hands and knees or be blown away. And the rain came down in stair rods all the time'."
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wheezing donkey
It was a Ramblers Association event held on the Saturday nearest to mid-summers' day.
Absolutely right, I was confusing it with the "Four Passes" which I suspect is another "Gone Forever" event.
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wheezing donkey
Yes! I just dragged Bill Smith's SMOTS down from the top shelf:-
Page 107, 2nd paragraph:-
"Naylor had previously set a record of 8 hours 24 minutes for the Four 3,000s course in the 1970 Ramblers Marathon, but on his run in June 1975, he lowered it to 7 hours 29 minutes.
Well, well my memory is not quite as crap as I remember it to be?:D
I wonder if this still stands?
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fellgazelle
Well, well my memory is not quite as crap as I remember it to be?:D
I wonder if this still stands?
I'm sure in the eighties it was beaten but nothing on the Ramblers website about it :confused:
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wheezing donkey
Yes! I just dragged Bill Smith's SMOTS down from the top shelf
I never knew you had that ;):eek:
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I did this about five years ago as a walk (hadn't started running at the time), though I do intend to do it again as a run this year. On the day I got up at 3am but unsurprisingly felt like crap so went back to bed intending to do it some other time. Got up again at about 7 feeling ok so decided to give it a go but did Skiddaw last rather than first, and also went to Grasmere for some reason, only realising afterwards that it's far from the optimum route! I don't think the route's too bad really; sure there's a fair bit of road but the Borrowdale road's not exactly a chore (and there's an off-road alternative), and by the time I got to the A591 I was glad to get some easy miles done.
I'm not too sure what all the fuss is about Lord's Rake, I've been up there many times in the years since with no drama at all. Granted I wouldn't send hundreds of people up there if I was organising an event, but I'd happily to go up there all day long myself (then again I was happy to go down Broad Stand unassisted too, which is less advisable).
And 7.5 hours for that route is unreal - if I do it in under 11 I'll be chuffed!