Ive to cut the red meat.

To cut a long story short, ive got a bit of a problem with my stomach - something to do with the acid in my stomach hammering me.

Ive been on these tablets to try and calm it but the doc (who really knew his stuff - AND, is a fell runner!!!) told me that all i can do to help is to experiment with a few things and see if it helps.


One big'y was to cut out red meat.
Now, im a big red meat eater and unless its chicken or fish i'll be eating red meat for my tea. I cant just stop...i love it.



So other than eating chicken and fish....what else can i eat for my tea?

I know there are a few veggie's on here so the advise should be endless....P.S...i dont like lentils!


Thankyou very much,

Yours,
Al Fowler.:D

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One big'y was to cut out red meat.
Now, im a big red meat eater and unless its chicken or fish i'll be eating red meat for my tea. :D

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You could try cooking the meat before you eat it:D

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You could try cooking the meat before you eat it:D

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By the sounds of it killing it might be a start! ;)

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By the sounds of it killing it might be a start! ;)

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Al may even have to catch it first...which brings us back to his fell running skills.:)

oh dear Al, you set yourself up for that one!!

what are you wanting to know? what's a red meat substitute or are you thinking if you cut out red meat but still eat white and fish (and of course veg) you are missing out on some vital nutrients etc :confused: or are you just wanting ideas to tell your mum what to cook you?! :rolleyes::D

Al
I also use to have a problem digesting meat, even though I loved it especially bacon butties n would always say if I was on death row my last meal would be sausage n mash.
I've never been a big fan of veg or salad, tomatoes was about as veggie as I got.
So since Jan 1st this year I have given up eating any meat & fish.:eek:
Now I can honestly say it hasn't been that difficult n I really ain't missed the meat. Tonight I had jacket potatoe n veg chillie which is similar to Wilfs recipe.
I would say the hardest time is if your on the motorway n fancy something to eat, I end up buying M&S cheddar ploughman sandwich.

Not content with giving up the flesh I have also stopped since Jan 1st eating CHOCOLATE.:eek: Now I use to eat at least 3or 4 bars a day.
The good news is I have lost a stone in weight, I sleep better, run like the wind and produce enough methane that if harvested would help produce enough power to light up a small village:D

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To cut a long story short, ive got a bit of a problem with my stomach - something to do with the acid in my stomach hammering me.

Ive been on these tablets to try and calm it but the doc (who really knew his stuff - AND, is a fell runner!!!) told me that all i can do to help is to experiment with a few things and see if it helps.


One big'y was to cut out red meat.
Now, im a big red meat eater and unless its chicken or fish i'll be eating red meat for my tea. I cant just stop...i love it.



So other than eating chicken and fish....what else can i eat for my tea?

I know there are a few veggie's on here so the advise should be endless....P.S...i dont like lentils!


Thankyou very much,

Yours,
Al Fowler.:D

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Don't listen to II, Chocolate is good for you.

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oh dear Al, you set yourself up for that one!!

what are you wanting to know? what's a red meat substitute or are you thinking if you cut out red meat but still eat white and fish (and of course veg) you are missing out on some vital nutrients etc.... or are you just wanting ideas to tell your mum what to cook you?!

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Im not really sure.

Just fired in the thread and see what was posted. Once the classroom idiots have had their fun that is:D

Theres no way im going veggie, but obviously im going to have to cut right back and only eat it rarely. It would make live easier (and not need this thread) if i just eat chicken and fish.

I just wondered if anyone had any "Oh i havent eaten meat for x amount of years now....but what i mainly consist of is blah de blah de dar.
:D

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Al
I also use to have a problem digesting meat, even though I loved it especially bacon butties n would always say if I was on death row my last meal would be sausage n mash.
I've never been a big fan of veg or salad, tomatoes was about as veggie as I got.
So since Jan 1st this year I have given up eating any meat & fish.:eek:
Now I can honestly say it hasn't been that difficult n I really ain't missed the meat. Tonight I had jacket potatoe n veg chillie which is similar to Wilfs recipe.
I would say the hardest time is if your on the motorway n fancy something to eat, I end up buying M&S cheddar ploughman sandwich.

Not content with giving up the flesh I have also stopped since Jan 1st eating CHOCOLATE.:eek: Now I use to eat at least 3or 4 bars a day.
The good news is I have lost a stone in weight, I sleep better, run like the wind and produce enough methane that if harvested would help produce enough power to light up a small village.

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Well im reading Ranny Fienes "Fit for life" and if i start to eat like he suggests....i'll either be kicking jebbys ass this year or an obsessive freak!

I know what you mean about the salad thing. I like veg but find salads abit faffy really....i cant stand having just plain pasta and some salad...maybe a bit of chicken?

Al, 'classroom idiots' made me smile!

I gave up meat for around 6years while living with a vegetarian woman. I didn't eat meat at all and fish perhaps twice a month. I felt strong and healthy on that diet and it seemed to suit me well. What red meat do you eat and how often? If I eat steak or big chunks of stewing meat I often find they lay a bit heavy on my stomach. I'd not eat something like that the night before a long run or important race :eek: Let me have a think about what we used to eat and I'll perhaps pm you.

If you think it'd help I don't mind popping over to sample one of your mum's Sunday roasts, in the name of research, obviously :D

I've been a vegetarian for 27 years and my running hasn't suffered, it is the cider that slowed me down. You can't beat a mushroom and rocquefort cheese pie.

Gary Devine

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Al, 'classroom idiots' made me smile!

I gave up meat for around 6years while living with a vegetarian woman. I didn't eat meat at all and fish perhaps twice a month. I felt strong and healthy on that diet and it seemed to suit me well. What red meat do you eat and how often? If I eat steak or big chunks of stewing meat I often find they lay a bit heavy on my stomach. I'd not eat something like that the night before a long run or important race :eek: Let me have a think about what we used to eat and I'll perhaps pm you.

If you think it'd help I don't mind popping over to sample one of your mum's Sunday roasts, in the name of research, obviously.

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:D Aye theres room round the table for one more!

Im just trying to think now what ive eaten this week, i dont think we've had and fat steaks yet.:rolleyes:

If i dont cut the red meat totally, i think as you said its wise to leave it out the day before a race and just eat some grass or something.:rolleyes: I cant remember what i ate before langdale or shephards skyline but my stomach was really bad for both of those races so i'll put money on it being a big juicey slab of cow.

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I've been a vegetarian for 27 years and my running hasn't suffered, it is the cider that slowed me down. You can't beat a mushroom and rocquefort cheese pie.

Gary Devine

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Cheers gary, obviously it certainly doesnt slow you down not eating the meet!

Al, I've been vegetarian for about 15 years and although I am a bit bad at the sciency bit of eating the right nutrients for running, so far my running continues to improve. There are masses of great recipes out there and I never miss meat (although I do miss fish a bit) and being vegetarian can make you far more creative and eat healthier food. As you are a big meat eater you may need to think about a meat substitute to make it easier.

I know a lot of people miss the texture and 'weight' of meat and I think that quorn pieces, mince and steaks are a good way of getting a meaty feel to your food and not having to adapt your cooking skills too much. They are very low in fat too. Or you could try tofu or tempeh but I don't know many meat eaters who like it (it can be very nice when cooked properly). I tend to make stews like bean casserole, mixed winter veg (bung some cider in and it tastes lovely) etc. Mexican food with beans and chillis, curries with lots of veg, risottos (leek, mushroom and lemon with parmesan is gorgeous), omelettes, potato in ever shape and form, aubergine bakes...that sort of thing. Nice filling wintery food that makes you feel full up and is delicious. Get a good recipe book and you'll see that it really needn't be a miserable experience!:)

Good luck.

have not eaten meat in this country (lived abroad for 3 years, so needed met due to no veggie options!!) since '92. Have done loads of races etc with no hassle, I just need to think abit about my diet eg ensuring my 5 a day.

If you check out certain fitness magazines you often find a list of alkaline foods that might negate any acidic feelings.

Possible solution is to look at how you eat your meat ie with what other substances. Try knocking out the potatoes, but eating all other veg, it might not sit on your stomach quite so much and cause the problems.

Being veggie, I'll eat quorn, some nice stuff some dire!!!! I eat eggs, cheese, lots of salady bits, wholemeal bread etc. I still indulge with eating chocolate etc. Am training for ironman at the moment so am needing to look carefully at diet so that I have no problems, I do lapse and eat crap foods but I realise this and just think a bit!! I don't miss meat at all, though I did like eating it in africa. In fact the last stuff I ate, I killed.

Cheers B...gives me something else to think about.

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:D Aye theres room round the table for one more!

Im just trying to think now what ive eaten this week, i dont think we've had and fat steaks yet.:rolleyes:

If i dont cut the red meat totally, i think as you said its wise to leave it out the day before a race and just eat some grass or something.:rolleyes: I cant remember what i ate before langdale or shephards skyline but my stomach was really bad for both of those races so i'll put money on it being a big juicey slab of cow.


Cheers gary, obviously it certainly doesnt slow you down not eating the meet!

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AL
I dont eat red meat mate.
I love fish though

Personally i suffered on just a vegetarian diet for about 6 months. I didnt crack once but found that I wasnt eating well. ( Cheese mostly). I know that may sound a bit pathetic to a vegetarian but in the end I bottled it and went back to a bit of chicken and fish.
I wanted to change because of the terrible way we rear our poultry.

So I now try and just get a local reared free range chicken.

Good luck but Its a big change.

Cheers daz, i was hoping you'd post!

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Cheers daz, i was hoping you'd post!

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It won't make you run any faster..... you gotta train to do that :rolleyes::D

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It won't make you run any faster..... you gotta train to do that :rolleyes::D

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and also eat
be mindfull of that ;)

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.....:p we can't all stuff our faces with chocolate coissants or what ever it is you find.... :rolleyes:

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I find they are good before a race

not eaten stuff like steak pie or steak for ages.

Al,

I've been veggie since '91 and you are right, some of the recipes can be a little fiddly and need lots more ingredients than just a slab of meat but..although a bit old fashioned these days why not run down to your local library and copy a few recipes from their books and see how you get on?
You may have to be a little adventurous with content such as quinoa and couscous but once you have a meal you like down pat its just what you have for your dinner (tea is cucumber or salmon sandwiches, fruit cake and Earl Grey with lemon).
Don't be too tempted with the likes of 'fake' bacon, its crap.

Best of luck, PM me if you get stuck for ideas.

Thankyou lola.

Ive decided, im going to properly looking into 'plant' foods recipies, my mum has a few books and they've got plenty of veggie meals... BUT...i am not giving up meat totally...i cannot!:o

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Thankyou lola.

Ive decided, im going to properly looking into 'plant' foods recipies, my mum has a few books and they've got plenty of veggie meals... BUT...i am not giving up meat totally...i cannot!:o

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Plant food recipes
AL I think we need a chat

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Plant food recipes
AL I think we need a chat

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Haha, thats what all the stuff ive read keeps mentionings....plant plant plant plant plant.

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Al,

I've been veggie since '91 and you are right, some of the recipes can be a little fiddly and need lots more ingredients than just a slab of meat but..although a bit old fashioned these days why not run down to your local library and copy a few recipes from their books and see how you get on?
You may have to be a little adventurous with content such as quinoa and couscous but once you have a meal you like down pat its just what you have for your dinner (tea is cucumber or salmon sandwiches, fruit cake and Earl Grey with lemon).
Don't be too tempted with the likes of 'fake' bacon, its crap.

Best of luck, PM me if you get stuck for ideas.

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Sorry, but I don't get the eating salmon sandwiches bit and being a vegetarian.

Delicious,

My point was to distinguish between a tea meal and dinner; the tea menu was appropriate for that occasion. Personally, I have to work for a living so don't get home in time for a true tea meal so your sandwich comment does not apply to me. Salmon eating in itself is a different issue but not one that applies to Al as he is not intending to become vegetarian.

Soups

Get yourself a good soup book. There are hundreds of veggie and mainly-veggie soups and they taste a lot nicer than just having the vegetables. If you make them good and thick, they're a proper meal.

Loadsa fresh crusty bread, dash of natural yoghurt or cream, black pepper, fresh parsley or coriander. Lovely.

Very easy to make too.

I'm trying to think what were my other staples when I was veggie. Chilli (with quorn mince), mushroom curry, stir fry, omelettes...

Start living off seeds Al; think of the delicious, constipating things you could be living off. Roasted seeds, deep fried seeds, sautee'd in a little butter seeds, home made roasted seed flavour Johnny Cakes. Mmm delicious, backs me up just thinking about it, you may be turning up to races with scurvy and ricketts but it shouldn't be a problem. :D

Have been vegan for 19 years.
I guess the most important thing is variety, a vegan/veggie could easily live on chips and chocolate but that's ermmm probably not too good after a while.
Despite all its shortcomings, meat does generally contain all the amino acids that the body requires, so I would say if not bothering just read up on the subject and ensure you're still getting all the important minerals and vitamins etc from the non meat foods.
As my old man died of a heart attack quite young, the quack told me to stay off the red meat, quite pleased really as it never really did it for me. And cos it takes ages to digest in the gut, there's always some rot going on there, not to mention meat poop pongs, phew, talk about hanging.
There are some super foods such as quinoa, which is supposed to contain all the aminos, and I guess there are others.
As long as you do lots of fruit and veg (general knowledge anyway) and ensure you get all your viatmins and minerals and protein, then you too can be normal, ha!
My protein sources can come from anything wholemeal/wholewheat, instead of white and plain gubbins, lots of seeds, pulses, tofu, tempeh etc,and yes, having been brought up in a meat and 2 veg household, it has encouraged me to learn about aother foods and meals.
Fish is really really good for you if I've heard, although fish farmed sources are suspect.

What's for tea Al? I've had sirloin steak and new potatos :p

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I ate late because i was doing a street-orienteering event tonight...i had fresh pasta, a tin of tune (in brine) and a small tin of sweatcorn.

Went a bit OTT with the pasta and couldnt finish it.:o

Cheers noel and clive!

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I ate late because i was doing a street-orienteering event tonight...i had fresh pasta, a tin of tune (in brine) and a small tin of sweatcorn.

Went a bit OTT with the pasta and couldnt finish it.:o

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Sweatcorn? sounds a bit smelly :D

I don't think you need to cut-out red meat completely; just use it sparingly. The best diets in my opinion are Indian vegetarian and Mediterranean. I try and stick to these. With the odd pie fest after a race.

Er ... except on Thursdays when I have sausages and mash ;)

Al, have you tried eating your meat as raw as possible (seriously) - blue, dripping and just seared, you know, wave it about in the same room as a lighted match for 10 seconds, I do this and have no problems, digests perfectly, full of lovely goodness. Organ meats are especially nice. It's overcooking with other stuff, and all that beany, processed wheaty, grainy, veggie stuff that causes me trouble.

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Al, have you tried eating your meat as raw as possible (seriously) - blue, dripping and just seared, you know, wave it about in the same room as a lighted match for 10 seconds, I do this and have no problems, digests perfectly, full of lovely goodness. Organ meats are especially nice. It's overcooking with other stuff, and all that beany, processed wheaty, grainy, veggie stuff that causes me trouble.

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I will certainly try that more often...i like it bleedin'.:D