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When i run i get pain in my lower back (right hand side) that radiates into the buttock and groin areas.
I've no idea how i've got this injury or what it is, and was wondering if anyone off the forum has suffered similar symptoms and can offer advise.
Any recommendations, suggestions or guidance would be really appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Danbert :)
I sometimes get this, mainly on the left side. It is worst when straightening up after a steep climb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danbert
Usually wears off though.
Any history of hamstring problems? I tore my right hamstring well and truly playing football five years ago and it still plays up from time to time. When it does it spreads up to my right lower back/buttock and groin. The hamstring and lower back are linked and I guess the groin may be a consequnece of the body compensating for the hamstring being weaker. I'm no doctor tho!
Not a doctor either....but wonder if it's a core muscle problem? Your psoas muscle (and one or two others) runs deep through the area and is an important stabiliser. Any injuries that you can remember? Any twists and falls? Any lower back problems in the past?
Good point Mr1470. My symptoms seem to have improved with some work on my core muscles and some resistance weights work on my hamstringsQuote:
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Sounds like the begining of a disc protrusion.
I have suffered from this for years.
Get yourself a block of wood 10"x7"x3" and while laying on the floor place it under your bum.
Lay there for a minute rock your knees to your chest to ease back out and do 15 (up to 30) sit ups . Repeat 3to4 times.
Start on the 3" side work to the 7 and ultimatly the 10".
I have to do this every day to keep running.
By the way if you do a lot of swimming this can aggravate the back.
Thanks for the advice and guidance everyone.
Because the pain is radiating from my lower back into my buttock the physio reckons i've copped for a tear in the large muscles or tendons that run down the back of my hips.
Seemingly my lower back was very unflexible and tight with tight hip flexors and weak hamstring.
It looks like this may have all been caused by the fact that i don't do any strength training or stretch muscles that are tight.
Anyway i've been given exercises to do and told not to run again until i can run without feeling pain.
Looks like the National is out of the question, hopefully i'll be back to have a jog round the Grizedale Forest Trail Race.
The slightly worrying news is that this injury tends to recur, the good news is that i am able to carry on swimming in the mean time.:)
ive had this problem for yrs danbert
and it really gets me down
not suffered as bad since i started doin 75% off road runnin
mine is wear and tear on my discs caused by lyin on my back welding and generally lifting heavy objects
when its bad it last for 2 weeks , ive tried boards , exercises, rest , painkillers, more tubes of deep heat :confused:
the only relief is to get my wife or son to stand on my back and literally move the disc , i can feel it move back to place. the pain is excrutating whilst they do this:(
swoop is right, ive had times when ive tried to straighten out after a climb and you take 20 or 30 strides to get upright
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ape knott
do you do this as a prevention more than a cure
does it work after pain is bad
often found these exercises need to be done regular like you say
disc protrusion is what i have im sure
doctor told me that an operation could be risky so ive always just grin and beared it but its hell when its bad
worst time was when i could not move for 2 weeks a few yrs back and i had to be carried to hospital for treatment, physio really hurt me and i will never have it done again
if you know a good physio i would like there number
i dont normlly go more than 2/3 days without problems:(
my backs gone again whilst doing hill reps tonight:(
just rubbed loads of deap heat on it
just hope i will be okay for the downfall race
it may have to be a plod round if the pain doesnt go away
I had a back problem which I think was a protrusion ( is that what they call a slipped disc?) and did yoga stretches and also a bit of climbing on an indoor wall ( which made me realise how inflexible I was) and it really sorted it out. It recurred just before Christmas so I made an immediate bee line for the climbing wall which worked wonders. Don't keep the yoga and climbing up as much as I should though - they both really seem to have a preventative effect.
Two authors you must have a look at re Robin Mckenzie ,Treat Yor Own back
and Sara Keys New back in action.
The Mcenzie book is usualy in your local library but the keys one will require ordering .I got mine of amazon.
After a weeek in the peak district on hols which incuded more driving than normal and a3 hour drive back home on Friday ,my back was playing me up on Sunday .I have got stuck into the Mckenzie stuff for the last 3 days and are a lot better now.
I use the Keys method for regular prevention and if i have a flare up i use Makenzie .
To me it all boils down to posture ,the more pressure you put on your discs eventualy it will go .Esprecialy if you have a genetic pre disposition.
You must keeep working on this .
Best of luck
Picked up a bit of an annoying groin strain doing some stretching exercises in the swimming pool the other day - well, seemd like a good idea at the time - it seems to ease off when running - in fact I did a race on Monday and a 15km jog yesterday - so could probably get away with running with my 70 year old running mate tomorrow morning - but what's the best treatment in the medium term - hot water bottle, cold compress or anybody got any better ideas, any miracle cures or specially good exercises for example?
Rested yesterday.
Now trying a pre-run herbal rub: Lavatt Gel Pour Sportif which has a cooling effect and is recommended for pulls, strains, bruises, and even for tennis elbow. :cool:
ps-
I have no professional or other connection to this product.
pps-
stuff got me round with a niggle but have now decided to rest up or at least revert to the exercise bike. Probably have to replan yet another comeback! My Man v. Horse debut is looking like I'll have to scrub it.
All the running websites I've looked at seem to be generally agreed that for this type of injury there should be an immediate RICE period and a 7 day training pause :eek:. Now doing that. Using Dolobene* roll-on for the ice effect.
This regime can be followed by a 7 days suitable exercise and stretching programme and then a first slow run of a mile in absence of pain ... otherwise it's back to square one :eek:
Man v. Horse race now definitely ruled out.
Unless?
Maybe?
Perhaps?
A horse...? :confused:
Or walk and spectate :). Hey, life's not so bad after all...
*I have no professional connection to this product either!
A very nice person just sent me a free tube of chipmunk oil :rolleyes:
- by the time I get through this I'll have tried nearly everything!!!
Not very nice for the chipmunk.Quote:
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The annoying groin strain may be with me for some time. A long job if my 'research' is anything to go by.
One runner, to my knowledge, has been sidelined for almost a year. Now he's starting back with 1mile barefoot runs.
I've even 'heard' that England's Rooney is still nursing a groin injury from September...??? Well, if that's the case, it doesn't bode well for a runner like me now in his mid-60s.
I hope it's not going to mean THE END.
Runs completed in last 2 weeks:
3 mile jog along beach near Alnmouth.
go spend 30-40 quid on a physio. get it diagnosed, & a plan put together.
most of all put your mind at rest & put you on the RIGHT path.
good luck
Thanks Sefton, I've just spent the money on a set of Nordic Walking Sticks !! great fun but you can't get your hands out of the straps when a mosquitoe bites you.Quote:
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The groin strain seems to be healing slowly but surely since I changed my brand of underwear believe it or not. A 70 year old pal, reckons we oldies do better to the wear the oldie Y-fronts with the longer inside leg or boxer shorts. And, since I switched from swimming trunk style underpants, I seem happily to be slowly but surely on the mend. When you think about it that elastic round your groin all day long can't be good for you. I'm gently rubbing in Voltaren once a day, which is by far the best of all the various remedies I've tried.
Runners generally do not suffer from groin strains, whenever they suffer damage to the muscles of the feet, knees, ankles and legs, but such damage can occur as a result difficult to calculate, or if the muscles of the pelvic floor weakened by excessive stress.