When does the venue get announced or have I missed it?
In the absence of actual information, what about informed speculation?
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When does the venue get announced or have I missed it?
In the absence of actual information, what about informed speculation?
My Guess would be the Lakes some where, too obvious?? sorry couldn't resist it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Facewest-Stu
It should appear shortly on the LMT site.
The venue is announced about 14 days before the event according to the website - so sometime around this coming weekend.
Just got my email through announcing that it's in Kentmere.
Should be interesting - never been to that valley before so a nice bit of blind navigation to start/finish the day off....
I have an entry for this but my knee is still crocked after Borrowdale so its looking v. unlikely for me. Does anyone know if the entry be given to someone else?
Start times now published. Eeek - second away!
Hopefully see you there marvin, i'm 4th off.
Ah but ... if it's anything lke previous LDMTs, there won't be much of the course in Kentmere!Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulE
I've just seen the start list and am way too near the back, considering how many people starting before me, finished before me at Sedbergh.
Does anyone know how the cut-off times work? I'm sure I read somewhere that there were cut-off times along the course.
Certain controls have cut off times after which the marshalls will remove the SI boxes, effectively forcing you to retire. Not all controls have cut off times, there will be 1 or maybe 2 mid course cut-offs and one very close to the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Usually the cut off times are printed on the control description sheets, and are the same no matter what your start time. However start times are seeded so slower runners start first and get more time to beat the cut offs.
hee hee 29th off. there are runners in the list who i beat by nearly an hour last year who start 30 minutes after me. even Nicky starts 20 minutes after me....and she's doing the big boy course...!! Of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by PaulE
Cheers, that's what I thought. Was more wondering if anyone knew roughly how generous the times were... i.e. hard to make and lots of people missing out, or just intended to catch those having a really bad day? I fear I've been given to high a seeding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie
Dunno, varies by year I think, depending on how tough the courses / conditions are. Take a look at the results, although they don't actually tell you how many non finishers missed the cut offs and how many just retired or genuinely missed a control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
2009 99 finishers 24 DSQ/DNF
2007 133 finishers 21 DSQ/DNF
2006 108 finishers 7 DSQ/DNF
2005 76 finishers 29 DSQ/DNF - very hot that year.
Whether you will be pushed to make the cutoffs depends entirely on how good you are. Generally I'd say if you are a competent navigator and reasonably fit you will not be troubled by the cutoffs. Things can change in mist etc though.
Edit: Ask the organisers for an earlier start if you are worried about cutoffs. It isn't their intention to catch you out.
You should be fine. When I did it (2007), I was one of the earlier starters, but despite being well down the pack (116th out of 133 finishers) I got back some 90 minutes before people started being timed out. (I'm assuming that some controls had cut-off times that year, it's not the sort of thing that I pay much attention to!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank
Well... I'll give it a go!
I've just been checking the Short Course
Joss doffing my hat accordingly goes off 6 minutes before me.
Am I right in thinking this his is 49th Trial! Legend!
I will be there next year to clap him over the line for his 50th....:thumbup:
Well, there's my target then - not to get passed by Nicky (or, more realistic, not to get passed by Nicky in the first half!)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
I don't think the start times have been particularly seeded this year, apart from for Steve Birkinshaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stevie
There are several fast runners starting early on or in the middle. And my clubmate Jon Underwood would probably not expect to be starting with only Steve B. behind him if it was seeded !
seeding only really applies to those with some chance of winning! hence the spread of faster runners through the field. Otherwise it depends mostly on your age. At least that's how I did it when I was doing the entries some years ago. I wouldn't worry about the cut off times - very few people have ever been timed out.
Weather forecast is looking decent so far for the weekend.
I've managed to get a later start time - phew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Sunday is looking like a real window in the weather.
Great day for it. Out on the course, really enjoyed watching everyone come through. Some good looking route choices. Food at end from Wilf's van, and a good social. Caught sight of Joss Naylor doing his 49th Mountain Trial! Lucky it wasn't on tomorrow looking at the Lakes forecast.
Yahoo Bloody Well done Rhys FR(DPFR) on your first win on the mens long, 2 minutes up I think on second place. a fantastic effort.
I found my lack of hill work over the last few weeks distinctly showed really struggled up the mamouth climbs and why that last climb?
5.50 for me 90 minutes behind Rhys!!!
oh and Joss proved he's human as well by making a bit of a Nav error but soon corrected it. But he wasn't the only one though. but will you admit to it. ;)
If you're talking about my decision to add on another valley and pass between point 1 and 2, it was just because I wanted to see the view and to have a look at the later checkpoints in good time...... (oops!)Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
6:30 for me, would probably have been a touch under 6 without the diversion. Really enjoyed my first go at the event, and will hopefully be back many more times.
I cerainly made a couple of nav errors! Well, poor route choices anyway. Went round Haweswater between 2 and 3, but went beyond the path up to Kidsty Pike and ended up hacking through loads of bracken only to rejoin that same path... must've lost 15 minutes there and expended some unecessary energy. Did any go up over High Street? I'm convinced that must've been quicker. The slog up Low Raise was painful. Stayed high from 3 to 4, meaning I had the pleasure of the traverse between Caudale Moor and Thornthwaite Crag twice. Saved a lot climb, but added plenty of distance... probably too much on reflection. Went to the top of Yoke before dropping down to 6, thinking the ground would be easier on the descent. It wasn't. And, yeah, the pull up from 6 on the way to 7 was cruel.
Suffered with a bad stictch for the first few hours. Was conscious of eating and drinking plenty, but it kind of backfired. Fell stronger as I went on though (and stopped troughing the Snickers), so not all bad. 6.37 for me. Like Paul, would like to think I might've cracked 6 hours if I'd had a cleaner run.
Passed Joss Naylor (that just sounds wrong!) after 1. He was happily whistling away to himself. A total inspiration just seeing him out there.
[ Did any go up over High Street? I'm convinced that must've been quicker.
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Almost certainly quicker to go via caspel gate, long stile, Rampsgill head etc - especially with that sheep trod to cut off high raise.
I went that way and quite a few seemed to be following lower down.Quote:
Originally Posted by mykind
Looking at the splits, those that went that way do seem to have been quicker. I went to the east and lost time relatively.Quote:
Originally Posted by mykind
Not as much time as I lost being headless at CP1 though - convinced that I was on the right stream when I wasn't.
And then lost more time taking a roundabout route to CP2 (initially decided to go via Gatesgarth Pass and contour under the crags, but changed my mind at the top of the pass and took the path up Little Harter Fell - should have just gone straight up the hill from CP1).
From CP5 to CP6, dropping into the valley and diagonally up to the far ridge seemed to gain back some time though.
5:38 and a further down the results than last year, but I really enjoyed it, as always! Well planned route I thought, with finely balanced options on several sections.
Looking on Route Gadget (a great tool for this kind of event) I was way off with some of my route choices... Start to 1 not great, then 2 to 3 and on to 4 were very poor. I must've saved a decent bit of climb on the way to 4 staying high, but between 2 and 4 I added loads of distance. I reckon my total for the race must be getting on for 30 miles. No wonder my legs still hurt. The most annoying thing about 2 to 3 is that I never even looked at Caspel Gate as an option... saw up to Nan Bield or Haweswater and agonised over them without consiedring anything else. Poor show.
I wuldn't worry too much about route choices - Nan Bield was hard work coming the other way on the way to 2! (Yes, I got that lost on the easy section from 1-2)
I think my total was about 24.5 miles and 8500', so can belive 30 given some longer routes. looking at the map again I wish I'd taken the direct option between 5 and 6, as the traverse under/through the crags below Stoney Cove Pike turned my thighs to jelly, and the people going over the top of the pike were slower still.
just worked out my distance,
21.3 miles and 7300ft as near as I can get it.
Estimate my day out to have been 21.6 miles with 7700 ft which isn't nearly as far as my time suggests - but that is the Mountain Trial! ;-)
Some pictures here: http://justusandafewfriends.blogspot...rial-2010.html
Estimate my day out to have been 21.6 miles with 7700 ft which isn't nearly as far as my time suggests - but that is the Mountain Trial! ;-)
Some pictures here: http://justusandafewfriends.blogspot...rial-2010.html
Interesting... I went back up Stoney Cove Pike rather than taking the traverse to the col and overtook a couple of people who were just ahead of me at 5 that did take the traverse (one of whom had overtaken me on the way to 5). I was halfway back up to Thornthwaite by the time they got round. Having passed over the col on my way to 4 and seeing the crags and scree there I'd decided against picking my way through it coming back from 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulE
Ok, here's a question for all you pro's out there... How long does it take you to recover from an event like the Trial??
I only did the short event but my legs haven't felt this sore after a race in a long time! Admittedly to date I've only really raced in the Peak and the lakes is a whole different ball game but I am suprised by how long it's taking me to recover! Getting up and down stairs is still an issue at the minute and I don't think I'll be able to contemplate running for a day or two yet!
That said I absolutely loved the event, have never done anything that involves any real nav work before so wanted to use this to get a bit of experience. Think I learnt a lot from it and it was fascinating talking to others afterwards re what routes they took and also analysing the hell out of all the info on Winsplits, Splitsbrowser sites etc. I was far too reliant on my compass and focused on getting straight from A to B and should have taken a bit more time to try and find some smarter routes.
Like I say, all good experience and I can't wait to have a crack at the full event next year... if my legs are working again by then that is!
Time taken for recovery depends on a lot of things. Last year after 9hours + on the Men's trial I was still crawling to the bog on tuesday morning! This year after a more seemly 6+ hours I did a steady 9 miles on Tuesday so I guess that the main determinant is how long you were out there. In navigational terms it isn't a bad rule to remember that the map is your friend and the compass is your enemy - the straight route is only fastest if you can run it.
My legs have been pretty sore the last few days, but then I'm far from a pro! It's only really in the last year that I've started doing longer stuff and have probably averaged a couple of runs a month that are in the 4-6 hour range. I've definitely noticed an improvement in recovery as I've done more. Sunday was tough though, with a lot of climb and descent and I'm sure that's what I'm feeling in my legs. At least if it hurts it must be doing some good! Going to run for an hour tonight and that'll hopefully get the last bits of tiredness out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starsky
just looking at the report in news and star Click Here its a bit parochial.. I don't mind them going on about Joss but they only just managed to mention the winner. Seems to have been written by a mate of birkinshaws.
loved this comment " A combination of factors ensured he was pipped at the post " yeh right , I am sure most of us could say that as well. A combination of factors like.... other people ran faster: