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I have had a long term hamstring injury which was fine to run on but seems to have been aggravated by a groin strain which I got on a training run over Christmas! I am now stuck with two injuries which, despite rest and stretches, dont seem to be getting any better. I know its like asking how long a piece of string is but does anyone know how long these groin strains normally hang around for?
It is the other way around for me, groin strain first (early December) then right hamstring (late December). I had a bit of rest over Christmas and I thought I was better, but groin is still uncomfortable and the hamstring has been bad again these last two days....
I'm going to give it another week's rest and if it is no better I'll book into to see a physio or something like that. last time I had a chronic strain, ultrasound and a massage worked wonders where 4 weeks of rest had failed.
I've had this problem as well. the groin went first, followed by the hamstring. rested it for a few weeks, started running and the problems remained, but i was able to run without major problems. but after a year, i was becoming increasingly frustrated as it wasn't getting any better, even with regular trips to physio/chiropractice. In the end i went to see a specialist doctor and he thinks i've got a sportsmans hernia, which is affecting the region. I'm seeing a specialist in a few weeks in sheffield, and he will diagnose me properly. I'll probably have to have an opperation, but if this will help, i just want to run pain free and without any problems in the future.
If you want any further infoamtion, pm me.
Is that the same condition as 'Gilmore's Groin' ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chaddy the Owl
Apparently : "The most notable clinical sign is dilation of the superficial Inguinal ring on the affected side, which can be palpated by the examining doctor when the scrotum is inverted with the little finger." :eek:
Sportsmans hernia and gillmores groin are the same thing. It's a fairly recently diagnosed injury. Dave norman had it successfully corrected, along with alistar cragg.
I once had a pulled inguinal ligament. Was a very acute injury, and I couldn't even walk for several days. Then it started to fade off gradually, but it was around 8-10 weeks before I could run again if I remember correctly. And it still bothered me for a while after that. It's completely gone now though (2 years later).
Good luck. Hope it's not that Gilmore's Groin, and more just a pulled something.
Following on from having a virus a couple of weeks ago, I started training again thinking I'd be OK, as until the end of May I had enjoyed over 18 months injury free!
I did my first track session, deliberately running in the next group down from when I was fit (still a good group though, indeed it included The Heathens amongst others! :eek: ). The session was 24 x 200M with reducing recovery - on the 10th rep, suddenly... twang... left hamstring shooting pain right down from the bum to the back of the knee. Had to completely stop and thought I'd really done some damage.
However, had a swim the next day and was OK so ran the following day - was OK. Saw the physio who didn't find any damage so thought it was just one of those things... anyway, 10 minutes into the Sunday run, same thing happens... made my way home and arranged to see the physio again on Thursday. The area is a bit sore walking around now, but I suspect it will be OK again by midweek, like last time.
Now I think it's going to be a long hard summer :( Anybody got any ideas/comments?...
Injuries are alwasy bad, I've been off a full year now, and the year before I never managed to be back in full gear.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by NotIntaFells
sounds a bit neural to me, get your back checked out.
Thanks RVN - I'll post the results of my physio consultation tonight - she has suggested also that it could be neural too. I just want to get running again - hate seeing all my fitness evaporating whilst I am sitting out loads of races I'd like to be doing, like Stretfords on Tuesdays and the Sale Sizzlers... :(
Problem is a small tear in one of the hamstring muscles. Caused by poor flexibility in the hip / lower back.
Will do 2/3 short easy runs before it is reviewed next Friday, plus a fair bit of stretching and 2/3 swims. I don't expect to be racing now until August, and am somewhat frustrated.
Nevertheless, it provides opportunities to spend time doing things I normally don't find time to do... :cool:
hope you are back racing soon pal ;)
Latest Update - Physio happy for me to increase training again, so am now seeking to make it back to racing in August! :)
Good news NotIntaFells, all the best with that :)
Might want to get down the gym and bust out some squats to build up those hamstrings..
Had another week of building up the training. Will continue doing the same for now... still it is a struggle when carrying a few pounds and getting lots of general leg stiffness after all runs!
keep going mate you will be back ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NotIntaFells
Love the logo NotintaFells. Tough on the hamstring. I have a lot of tightness in the hams and lower back, the trouble is that I hate stretching. damm
Glad to say I am now planning my first race next week... Yeeeaaahhh!!!! :D
I have suffered with a tight hamstrings for arounn 6 months now. Stretching and physio has helped and is ongoing.
My main worry is that I feel I have a lump/knotted muscle in one leg and it does not seem to be shifting . The physio does not seem to notice it but I can definitely tell.
Any thoughts or suggestions please
After about 12 frustrating months of trying to sort out a hamstring problem and not getting anywhere I have found a physio who believes it to be neural (arising from the sciaitic nerve) rather than muscular. It is confusing as the symptoms do mimick the soreness and stiffness associated with normal hamstring injuries. I can run Ok for about an hour but after that it gets progressively more difficult.
Is there anyone out there who has experience of this sort of problem? What was the treatment and how long did it take to resolve?
Thanks for any comments and guidance.
12 months would seem a long time for a purely muscular problem, unless some other biomechanical/neural factor was involved. A "Neural" problem could be many factors acting on the nerve: Compression, Tension or Irritation. It's common to feel the affects of this elsewhere, e.g. Hamstring, Calf or Tingling toes etc, and not necessarily at the site of the problem. Each will have it's own method of treatment too.
I can't offer any medical advice just some experience. I don't wish to frighten you but as an extreme example my partner had suffered for quite some time with increasing pain/sensations in the lower back, buttock and hamstring on one side. This eventually after two Mountain Marathons and whilst training for a third led to her taking quite some time off work before an MRI scan eventually revealed a colossal disc herniation compressing two thirds of her spinal chord. A week later she was under the knife getting the disc material removed.
I mention this because it took months of seeing doctors/physios before they were sold on the idea that an MRI was necessary. Especially as she was still very active both running and horse riding.
Not all doctors/physios will be as experienced as others when it comes to neural examinations either so getting a second opinion may help or referral to a specialist. You may have to wait a while though.
Best of luck
Jim
Thanks for the info. Hopefully my problem is not quite as serious. I have only a constant niggle where the hamstring attaches to the bone and no sensations etc in the back or elsewhere. It never gets what I would call painful - it just becomes uncomfortable - a bit like the muscle stiffness you get when you have run for several hours. I have actually made an appointment to see Denise Park who writes in the FRA mag but it has been a long 10 month wait! Hopefully she will be able to help sort it out.
Thanks again.
had the same thing myself a couple of years ago and it is a real pain.... the problem is a poxy little muscle in the butt known as the piriformis that over-develops/over tightens and impinges of the sciatic nerve. I had a pretty intensive bout of physio (lots of painful elbow on backside action). Then it was a case of maintenance. First thing to try is stretching the piriformis. See the link below:
http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/piri.2.html
hold the stretch for 20-30 seconds each side and repeat X3 on each side.
The second thing to try is a bit of self-butt massage using a tennis ball.. sounds peverse but does work. Simply sit on a tennis ball and roll around on it.. good luck
I'll certainly give that a go - I'm ready to try anything!
Very much appreciated - thanks.
Mountain man, your problem sounds so like mine, and just as frustrating. I've seen several physios, had x-rays and an MRI scan on my lower back but nothing is showing up the cause of the problem! I'm due to see denise on oct 30th and hoping for a miracle cure! When you say the hamstring attaches to the bone do you mean behind the knee on the inside? My left leg feels like it is in constant delay you want it to step forward and it feels like it is lagging behind:(
My problem is mainly at the top of the hamstring/lower buttock where the muscle attaches to the seat bone. I have done google searches to read up (where I can understand it!) a bit more about the piriformis and that does look like a more likely cause, particularly as initially it was associated with a niggle in the hip as well. Although I had mild sciatic problems and stiffness in the back about 3 years ago I feel my back is as good as it has been for quite a while so I think the origin of the problem is in the muscle area itself and not referred from the back as is often thought.
Being an older (57) distance runner, having read Denise's articles, it looks likely my problem has developed as a result of muscle/posture imbalances over a long period. I did some Pilates last winter and that helped me get going again for a while. Unfortunately the teacher moved the class so I was not able to continue.
I think my strategy for dealing with the problem will now be:
-short term do some of the piriformis exercises until I can see Denise in November to get her opinion
- find a Pilates class and do it long term to mitigate the postural problems I have. Hopefully that will help keep me running freely again for a few more years.
Good luck - I hope you manage to get sorted out soon. Any feedback from seeing Denise would be of interest. Judging by her articles I suspect she will recommend Pilates to both of us as a longer term preventative solution.
Does the tennis ball technique help much with mid-lower hamstring injuries? It ceratainly helps calf knots.
only ever used it for butt issues but I don't see why not... hard foam rollers from physios are great for general leg massage esp. ITB's.
http://www.physiosupplies.com/acatal...m_Rollers.html
What do you do if you have one?
What is the normal time of recovery?
Any input welcome!!
Find out if it is a hamstring problem, or referred pain from your back, causing sciatic type symptomsQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBearRunner
If it is a hamstring it depends on the damage, you would have to get some feedback off a specialist.
I had a ham tear in May - I rested for a week and then did some very easy runs and built up gradually. I did race in early June (because I really wanted to do Blencathra) but took it very steady and got round without further damage and then it just went back to normal.
Stretch, stretch, s t r e t c h.
I am just recovering from a pulled hamstring, pulled it 7 weeks ago, I tried to come back too quickly. Started running again after 2 weeks and built up too fast, the hamstring really tightened up so had to rest another full week. The trick as far as I can tell is to build up slowly with plenty of rest. I think I could have been racing again in 4/5 weeks if I had taken my time.
Stretching as Ady says is the prescribed treatment - the physio said I should be aiming for 30 stretches a day minimum.
I've had a tightness in my right hamstring area for months when resting, standing and in particular sitting, but it has not hindered my running. I doing regular stretching exercises to help this problem. Now I have a pain, on the same leg, in the groin/inner thigh region, which has curtailed any running. It is slightly painful even when walking. Can anyone help with the best course of action?
Sounds painful, sorry i have no help for you, good luck, hope someone can help you! x
Sounds similar to a hamstring niggle I had a while back. Check the injuries thread for 'Bottom injury' or somthing similar. The stretches described worked for me although it did not get too bad to begin with. ATB for Xmas & new year Steve.
Cheers NirvanaBliss and Ady, I'll check out those threads. All the best for the festive period.
Sounds the same as a problem I have at the moment.
Luckily got a family member who is a Physio so I'm getting good advice and treatment on a reguar basis.
Did the Ribble 10k yesterday and even though I did a good warm up and stretch before hand, my right hip and hamstring were as tight as anything this AM and could hardly walk.
Spent most of today strecthing. In particular this one works really well........
Lying face down with your hands under your chin, arc your body to the affected side. In my case my right side so I look like a fairly open 'C' shape. Breathe in and at the same time, lift the affected leg 1 inch of the ground. Hold for 1 second then lower releasing your breath. Movement should be slow and gentle. Repeat this approx. 10 times. Done this about 5 times today and it's really helped.
The key thing is to identify the weakness in your posture, otherwise the injuries will just keep coming.
As always this second hand advise based upon my current problem. I would seriously recommend seeing a physio if you've not done so already.
No stretches - 1 km warm up - 39 mins - it's flat:eek::eek::eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by kevspider
We are fell runners for God's sake. Come on!
Thanks kevspider for the advice/info. The problem has now cleared up after a visit to a physio. He identified the problem as the Glutes/Piriformis area (buttock) and gave me a particular stretching exercise to do (Lie flat on your back with the left knee bent. Place the right heel on the left knee. Take hold around the left thigh and draw up towards your chest). The pain in the right hamstring was actually because the muscle/muscles lie near the sciatic nerve.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevspider
I've been having probs with this piriformis injury too. I haven't tried the "C shape" one mentioned above but will try it out this w/e. Also, am having some deep tissue massage on it and even am going to get involved in pilates !:confused: