Who's going and what time then ? Early forcasts look good for Saturday...
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Who's going and what time then ? Early forcasts look good for Saturday...
Who cares about the weather, how big is the keg of beer?
9 pints of Doris ale & 9 pints of Helvellyn Gold from Hesket Newmarket brewery PatQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Pat's on Leg 1 - it'll be all gone by breakfast!Quote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
hey keep some for me for leg 2 might be firsty if it has,nt rainedQuote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
I am doing leg 4 as well (and possibly 5 if my legs can hack it) so I have been given strict orders, I am not allowed to drink it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
It would be entertaining if you did and came and did 4 PatQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Mike Nobel did not help when, on Leg 5, he told Colin he had a couple of pints in the afternoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
And If Andy is fast enough we can get back before the pub closes
what time are you leaving moot hall we are leaving at 7pmQuote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
midnightQuote:
Originally Posted by vespa
Ya just looking at it on MWIS Wednesday morning and looks pretty promising. Hopefully it will not slip over the next 3 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
Good luck lads!
getting excited now
ta DanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo Dan
Good luck Andy - I'd pop over to help out but alas I'm busy. Catch up with Pennine in a few weeks!
Ta Nick,Geoffs there so will send an email out on how i get on.Will try to get some tweets going to @fellwanderer82Quote:
Originally Posted by ba-ba
Best of luck to you AndyQuote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
Good luck Andy - here's my top tips:Quote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
1. Sleep: Try to get as much sleep as possible before your attempt.
2. Food: Eat something small every 20 minutes and start early on the climb up to Skiddaw. Don't feast at road crossings and remeber what you eat in the 1st 12 hours is key.
3. Drink: Ensure you have the option of water as electrolyte/sports drinks may become hard to get down. Coconut Water is full of potassium!
4. Schedule: Stick to the schedule on the first leg. It ensures you don't go too fast and blow up/ If you want to beat your schedule, there's more slack on leg 4 & 5 than 1 & 2.
5. Pain & Suffering: Most pain can be ignored/managed. You may feel bad for hours, but you will recover. Don't become withdrawn, stay chatty even if it's hard work.
6. Running: Don't hammer down the hills even if it feels good. Choose grass!
Finally, only stop if you are going to die!
Cheers for that Jason,its those downs I need be carefull on I love blasting down then ! Need to order people to shout at me if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by crowhill
Where did you make most of you time up pal ?
Ta Steve,have a good one. At Snowdon muckerQuote:
Originally Posted by steviek
From memory it was something like:Quote:
Originally Posted by andygib1982
Leg 1: 5 minutes (only due to a 20 min descent of Blencathra! = ITB paid for later)
Leg 2: 35 (quick descents of Dollywaggon, Fairfield, Seat Sandal = more knee pain)
Leg 3: 10 (suffered and felt slow, but excellent navigation)
Leg 4: 50 (dream leg)
Leg 5: 25 (most of that on the road!)
I also shaved some more minutes with quick roadstops.
I think a more steady leg 2 would have made a quicker leg 3.
Looking at schedules of fast (< 19hrs) completion times what I noticed was that the first leg times, while quick, weren't excessively so, probably 22hr schedule or thereabouts. Where the difference came was that the following legs were pretty much the same pace, i.e. there was little or no slowing down. At standard 23.5hr pace the Skiddaw leg averages around 3mph whereas the Wasdale-Honsiter leg is 2MPH, bump up the speed to 2.5MPH and you are an hour quicker for that leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by crowhill
Quite a few rounds seem to be cutting down on the time at road crossings, typically spending 5 minutes or less at the change-overs. Your team does need to be on the ball for this though.
Don't worry - I won't be letting him go fast on Leg 2!
Jason's right, though, Legs 4 & 5 have loads of slack in them.
Its the sensible approach, stead as she goes legs 1, 2 then start nailing them to the wall after you get to the later/higher parts of leg 3 once you know what you've got left in the tank. Oh that and I'm supporting leg 1 :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
In an effort to get a bit of an insight to Bob's 'Bob' schedule calculator I compared legs 4 and 5 taken together on a 23 hr clockwise round to them done as legs 1 and 2 anticlockwise. I guess there's a tad more climb going clockwise (Wasdale probably being a bit lower than Keswick) but, other than that, the Bob calculator allows 45 more minutes on the clockwise round, presumably mainly due to fatigue (8 hrs 9 vs 7 hrs 24). So saving some grunt for later should put the schedule calculator in your favour if nothing else.
Mind you its all a bit of an enigma, what ever number crunching goes into the schedule calculations, and my schedule was with a 10% rockness adjustment....... whatever the heck that does :)
Oh and good luck this weekend Andy
The calculator is actually fairly simple (honestly!) but I think I got the original schedules from Mike Sadula's website but it's so long ago that I can't remember and I've no idea why the counterclockwise schedule is faster than the clockwise one. I have altered the base times somewhat over the years as some sections just seemed wrong and sections like Skiddaw to Great Calva have become much easier with the passage of many feet so that time has been reduced by a few minutes.
The time adjustments are basically linear, there's no fancy maths involved. If we took a standard time between two tops that happened to be 46 minutes on a 23hr schedule then for a 21hr schedule the time is simply multiplied by 21/23, i.e 42 minutes. For the majority of timings the maths isn't that simple so the resulting time is rounded to the nearest minute, i.e. 41:30 to 42:29 would all show as 42 minutes. Some people really struggle with moving quickly over rocky ground so the "rockiness" factor takes account of that by increasing the adjusted time by a percentage before the rounding takes place. This is only done on a few sections - Bowfell to Scafell and KirkFell to Green Gable from memory.
Getting the calculations done for the later stages that accurately reflects how people actually move on quick rounds is something that I need to look at. It will need a bit of mathematical jiggery pokery:sneaky:
Good luck Andy!!
When preparing for my BG last year I looked at a number of calculators and noticed a marked difference between Bob's and Dark Peaks. One starting at a much faster pace than the other. I therefore took a mid point between the 2 on each summit to come out with an 'averaged' calculator and this turned out to be pretty good compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob
I didn't realise Dark Peak had a calculator. I just had a fiddle with it and found it quite different to Bob's, allowing more time on legs 1 and 2 and less on 3, 4 and 5. I think I prefer Bob's to be honest but in the long run its swings and roundabouts :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Theolneywayisup
Edit: What is absolutely brilliant on the DP site though are the maps An extract of the second stage of the Wasdale to Honister route for instance with all the compass bearings included :)
http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1687/dpmaps.png
I didn't realise they had either. Looking at the DP times I'd say that with one or two exceptions the times for a 23:30 round are broadly similar, usually plus or minus a minute or two. The time for going up Skiddaw is different by 16 minutes (slower on the DP version) but the real oddity are the times from High Raise to Sergeant Man to Thunacar Knott, 2 & 5 minutes respectfully. I don't know anyone who can run directly from HR to TK in 7 minutes let alone going via SM. For instance, Billy Bland took 6 & 10 minutes on his record round.
One thing that neither calculator can take account for is having a bad patch which can affect any contender at any point. Ultimately they are just guidelines rather than rigid guides.
I'm supporting Andy this wkend and have lost my Hope head torch on Leg 2 between Dodds and Helvelyn, it's possibly been seen by 2 walkers marshalling the 10 peak challenge.
Please ask around to anyone who's likely to be up there/has seen it/picked it up.
Please let us know if anyone finds it. Beer reward for its safe return.
Thanks
On Facebook Mountain Bag said Andy was going well with leg two in the bag and on schedule about 4 hours ago.
He was comfortably up on schedule at Dunmail and was last seen (by me at least) steaming up Steel fell, already looking like he was burning off another Pacer or two. He should have passed Wasdale by now, I think his twitter feed was being updated pretty well too.
Fantastic conditions up there, inversion and sun looking strong. Winds fairly light up to about 800m.
He left wasdale in good company and up on schedule. looking good and feeling positive, i am awaiting a good news text as i think its in the bag.
He did go up steel fell on full throttle leaving a couple who had been with him since leg 1. I hung back with them and with some corner cutting got back with them.
He also shot off Bowfell and left everyone trailing in his wake for some time. All that training has paid off!
Keep going mate, Nearly there!
great day,great company, perfect weather and even views from Scafell. Grand day out!!!
Just received text, finished in 20:56. Well done Andy.
Well Done Andy, great time:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris H
How spooky-exactly to the minute same time as me !!!!! My perfect navigation on leg 3 payed dividends Andy!! Get in there my son!
Seriously, an absolute pleasure to be with you, plus all the supporting team, today. A fabulous day out, which, as I said at "Jess' coffee" shop at Esk Hause, makes my life a happy and fulfilled one even if I cark it tonight! Well done and wel deserved!
rach x
Well done mate... looks as thopugh the weather was kind and your hard graft paid off. Chapeau!
Well done, great time. I am on leg 2 with Stolly next week so lets hope he has as much success
Well done Andy! Looks like you had a stormer!