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I thought we should have our own version of this thread for two reasons;
- It'd be useful to see what kind of sessions other coaches are running, maybe get some fresh ideas?
- I wanted to share this picture of the hardy threesome that turned up this morning (we normally get 10-12 on a Saturday)! Yes; he really is wearing shorts!
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Please feel free to add your own 'today's training' and hopefully we can generate a useful collection of information.
Like it Andy!
In this weekend-snowy-weather my brood and their friends are always begging me to go out and play in the snow in the field behind the house.
It's on a steep slope so if not sledging or boarding I generally work out some games that end up being 'short hill reps' in disguise.
They were out this morning running around doing just that for 15-20 minutes.
[I must work out how to post photos (jpegs) on here without file size violations]
I'd have sent the lad and adult in shorts home again. Hardy or foolhardy?
Had planned our 4min time trail for tues. We do this on the track once a mounth and keep a record of progress, if the track aint useable then its to the park for a relay, kids always try a lot harder in relays than they would on their own.if one team is a lot faster on the first effort then handicap the start to give a hopefully blanket finish in the next. Rivy pike this weekend then Pendle the next.
Richard Stott .Rossendale.
Actually, the photo is a touch misleading,it's in one of the fields just outside Burnley all of 200yds from the main road!Quote:
Originally Posted by Clash City Rocker
Saturday is normally a structured training session; speed drills/speed intervals/hill repeats etc. in Towneley Park. Because of the weather I decided to give them a break from the norm and took them for a short loop instead. It was intended to be around 3 miles but we shortened it a bit because all the jumping into snowdrifts and snowball fights took longer than expected!
I have no problem with the lad wearing shorts; he's a very level headed individual and was in no danger. My assistant coach made his own clothing choice as did I (I was wearing shorts also). I always carry plenty of spare clothes and eqpt in my pack and we were never far from home.
The great thing about a session like this is that seems more daring than it actually is; the junior is allowed to feel as if they're being adventurous and are being trusted to do so, in a way that, perhaps, their parent wouldn't allow them to be. It's akin to the activities than they might take part in on an Outward Bound trip; seemingly risky but actually carefully controlled.
I was at our track last night, bloody cold wind and wearing double everything. On the 5-aside pitches next to us a group of girls where training, prob 12 to 15 year old,shorts n short sleeves. The parents looked on out of their cars, windows wound-up and engine running....
If only there was someway of indication a tongue in cheek approach via a small keyboard crafted symbol. Last night we had 24 juniors out actively looking for drifts to experience and ended up sliding down 20ft drifts. Sometimes you just have to take what you have and make it fun. Care was taken to ensure warmth though and all adults carried spare kit and all kids dressed appropriatelyQuote:
Originally Posted by AndyA
Today's Training (well, last night's actually);
Warm up and agility stuff in the sports hall, followed by barefoot speed reps in the park and 'squat jog' hill reps with the shoes back on.
(squat jogs as suggested by George and reproduced by kind permission of 'Four Lions').
Not sure how much training benefit was involved but everyone was knackered and had a good time!
Pre-puberty we are discouraged from training athletes anaerobically, so we do short/sharp or long/slowish, avoiding 400 m in particular - yet they turn on their aerobic systems quickly, and once beyond the 7 seconds or so of alactic running they are going aerobic. Once in or post puberty is when they will make lots of lactate, and yes this can be uncomfortable until they learn to cope with it. The UKA Endurance ADM actually leaves out the 400 m distance as a competition focus for the multi sport and multi event stages of development - roughly ages 9-12 and 12-15 respectively; so it includes for the multi event stage 100,200,800, and 1500. I would be interested to know how other coaches approach this.
Discouraged - an interesting word. We seem to be encouraged to follow a pathway and discouraged from going against the grain and I fear that this will stifle coaches. The great coaches of the past all have their own methods - indeed there isn't a method - there's a wide variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I'd suggest it's how you use the 400 distance.
6 x 400m with 3 mins rec
8 x 400m with 1 min rec
6 x 400m with 400m jog rec
Completely different sessions and the one with jog recovery really makes them think a little bit about the pacing and pull back a little.
The 400m debate that was ongoing just over a year ago was quite interesting. It was of course argued that 400m runners at 13/14/15 might be National Champs but wouldn't make Senior National 400m champs and the distance has been cut to 300m for U15 Boys.
Probably absolutely spot on, but many argued that the future 400m runners would be running 100, 200 and perhaps hurdling etc at 13, 14 and it was the future 800 and 1500 athletes that would have been running top level 400s at a younger age.
It was an interesting debate and of course the NGB won out.
Any references on the 400m debate you mention?
http://8.4e.84ae.static.theplanet.co...thread&id=4657
The old eightlane forum has gone, and I can't seem to get beyond page 1 in this, but you get a little flavour here.
THis was my submission to UKA regarding the proposed rule change in Oct 2011 (part of a wider email on several proposed rule changes)
What about Schools athletics - will they drop the junior Boys 400m from their event list? Unlikely I would have thought, so if UKA ban, we will have U15s going to County Schools and English Schools with little or no race experience of the event.
A ban would seem draconian to me yet again. I can see the logic as to why, but why not just discourage it? Make it a rarely run event - otherwise if we accept the logic of this, we are going to see many other track events amended for the same reasons such as we have with U13 Girls running 75m and 1200m and the NATYAL.
Perhaps the NATYAL could be persuaded to drop the U15B 400m and 4x400m as they are not needed and will free up the day a little?
http://www.theinsidetrack.org.uk/wp-...ec2012-1-1.pdf
Have a read of this. Quite scathing of our coach education system and quite notable that this review was requested by the Chris Jones the CEO of England Athletics and it has been published openly.
Looking at a NATYAL program only the U17 boys are allowed to race 400m. I must say, from my observations as a coaching assistant, I have not noticed any particular distress in training around the 400m distance. Indeed, most, even the 15/16 year olds, given the choice, would rather run 400m than 600-1,000m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
Very interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
I've coached now since 2005 and I've also trained for quite a bit of that time (of course I am a senior)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike T
I rarely set 400 reps for my juniors, but I do 75 sec and 90 sec sessions. So in a 75 the lead athletes will be at or close to 400 and in a 90s set beyond 400, maybe up to 440/450.
I would suggest the big change is when a track rep moves from 400 - 500m.
Someone repping at 60s in a 300 session will manage 81-82 through a 400 session, but drops close to 110 in a 500 session.
One session I do on a Thursday is a straight forward 150m effort, walk 50, jog 200. It allows athletes of all abilities to train together, they can do as many as they want and some of the younger end can take a break with me and my assistants at the water jump area (the 150 point on our track).
I tend to leave it up to the athletes how meant they do with generally an 8 - 10 target or maybe more subject to the weekend ahead.
Typically 1/3 will do the top end, 1/3 will do the bottom end and 1/3 will do a couple short where they've taken a breather.
In another session - a Parlauf - runners are put in pairs. (Sorry if you know the session) - Runner one starts at the mid point of the straight and runs 200m to hand over to their partner at the mid point of the other straight.
Whilst runner 2 then runs 200m, runner 1 jogs across the middle of the track (recovery) to time the recovery with the effort of their partner.
I did this first time with 3 x 6 minute efforts - 3 mins recovery between sets (when whistle blows at 6 mins we finish the laps off so it can be a little more than 6)
All athletes completed and managed around 14 - 18 x 200m reps.
The 1/3 that do the top end tend to train well at their level whatever the session.
But it was really interesting to see that this session with a team, or partner element brought a foxus and enthusiasm to the session from the other 2/3s that the 150 session sometimes didn't.
The parlauf is difficult for us to do as it needs the infield to be free for us to use (and not waterlogged) - and perhaps some of this difference is down to the session being different and seldom used.
Thanks - it is helpful and interesting to hear what others are doing. We often do shuttle runs on grass - cones at 25/50/75/100m - doing 1-2-3-4-3-2-1 is 800m, 12321 is 450m, 1234 is 500m. They do 4 - 6 different distances, which creates variety, and the direction changing adds agility/acceleration to the mix; it is also easy to skip a section for the slower runners. It can also easily convert into a pairs relay.
As I said above, doing the shuttle distances, they are happier with 450/500 than 800! They, of course, control how fast they run, within the limits of the recovery we give them.