Re: Post training fainting
Low blood sugar post race? Do you eat when you are running, or just go off your reserves?
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jameseyb
Low blood sugar post race? Do you eat when you are running, or just go off your reserves?
Had a couple of gels today and think I was probably at least a gel short, normally just run off a cup of coffee with honey and a decent tea the night before, experimenting at the minute with eating on the run as it's not something I normally do, I have a 40 miler coming up in around ten weeks so need to come up with an answer although if I keep moving I'm normally OK, it's only when I stop.
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If I do anything over 10 I'd get a decent feed an hour or so before hand! Usually a bowl of porridge. Its not a problem I've ever really had, though after Bullock Smithy, both times, I did feel really c**p to the point of feeling faint and sick, but I think there's an 'official' reason for that i.e. blood supply re-distributing itself or something.
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It's as has been said. Your blood sugar suddenly drops when you stop. I get it too after a run of over 10 miles. I eat a cheese sandwich (works for me) immediately I finish even if I don't feel like it. It's worse if it's a race. Other half knows not to even bother with a meal for me till about 4 hours after a race and I'll usually have an hour asleep too. It's a real pain but as I said if I get that sandwich at least I'm not sick and I stay upright!! Good luck.
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One of my clubmates occasionally suffers from this, I think he eventually found it related to low iron levels or similar for him.
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Many Thanks all for the replies, hopefully I can work it out, eating immediately looks like it could be the key, cold drinks tend to really set the problem off, on the strength of it perhaps being an iron level issue I had a bottle of Guinness last night, very nice :thumbup:
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RaceTheSweeper
It's as has been said. Your blood sugar suddenly drops when you stop. I get it too after a run of over 10 miles. I eat a cheese sandwich (works for me) immediately I finish even if I don't feel like it. It's worse if it's a race. Other half knows not to even bother with a meal for me till about 4 hours after a race and I'll usually have an hour asleep too. It's a real pain but as I said if I get that sandwich at least I'm not sick and I stay upright!! Good luck.
Very familiar! Even after a 15 min training session if I really go for it. And I keep getting first-aided after races, which is often annoying as I'd be better off with my ready-prepared race recovery drink (50% redbush tea with salt & 50% milk) and my warm clothes!
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Daletownrunner
Many Thanks all for the replies, hopefully I can work it out, eating immediately looks like it could be the key, cold drinks tend to really set the problem off, on the strength of it perhaps being an iron level issue I had a bottle of Guinness last night, very nice :thumbup:
Yes, eating immediately. If you can manage solids then I won't suggest you change. I often can't, and use all-in-one mixes rather than the ones they call recovery drinks.
Funny you mentioning cold drinks. I can never fathom why people want cold drinks! Tap or room temperature, and often in cold weather I'll add some hot water to make it luke-warm. Obviously my tea/milk is luke-warm as well.
I'm sure people on here know that salt is crucial for rehydration ~ I often put a little in drinks. And if you do go for an all-in-one, it will possibly have some minerals in it: iron, zinc..
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LissaJous
...my ready-prepared race recovery drink (50% redbush tea with salt & 50% milk)
I'm sorry, but we can't just leave that one there...which tea?
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mr brightside
I'm sorry, but we can't just leave that one there...which tea?
Redbush Tea
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Funny I've never had the problem after short sessions although my daughter goes a very nice shade of green quite often if she's doing rep's, must be a family thing!! Got a longish run planned for the weekend so going to stash some bottles to ensure I stay hydrated and will be practicing my eating during the run to see what works, Redbush Tea I have tried but just don't like the taste :thunbdown: although bog standard tea I drink by the bucket load.
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You could try beet it shots before you race, this may make you more efficient and hence less likely to deplete your glycogen levels to the degree you are
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LissaJous
Redbush Tea
I meant which brand?
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24 miles today, kept hydrated all the way round and a few Dextrose sweets, straight in the bath with a biscuit & milky coffee as soon as I got home and all good, even managed to take the dog for a 5 miler a couple of hours after, definitely eating straight away even when I don't fancy it seems to work :thumbup:
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mr brightside
I meant which brand?
Sorry: I thought you were being facetious, but it turns out you were being interesting!:w00t:
Background: for black tea I used to drink PG Tips a lots and I could taste the difference between different batches. Brewing time anything from 5-10 minutes up to hours & a microwave reheat. I liked it when it was 'depth' combined with complexity. Occasionally one of those would be missing in a whole box. After I stopped drinking black tea, there was a few months gap before I started drinking redbush tea. I hate and always hated Earl Gray.
Redbush Tea: I use a variety. My favourite is Tick-Tock without doubt, it can be quite intoxicating. :rolleyes: Redbush Tea Company can be lacking in the 'depth'/body, and Tetley lacks the complexity but has extra 'body'. Switching between these, and occasionally others, keeps all of them tasting fresh.
And you know it all depends what mug you brew it in as well! (I brew it teabag in 0.5L mug or thermos)
Oh, and I put a tiny bit of salt in ever since screwing up Ennerdale with cramp in 2010!
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LissaJous
Oh, and I put a tiny bit of salt in ever since screwing up Ennerdale with cramp in 2010!
Salt... its hardly rocket science is it? its just such a basic requirement yet ignored in the UK..
Yet I've never been to a UK race with tubs of salt at aid/food stations...
In European races salty water or tubs of salt are the norm and once you get used to it cramps are a thing of the past..
A banana and some saline water: carbs, shed loads of K and NaCl..
After big races like a 100k.. a bowl of pasta is essential of not I'm dieing that night. After the 100k in Perth there was hot pasta with tomato sauce and cheese topping available.. I had that and felt fine.
At races like Peris, Wasdale any with road crossings and good access, water and salt should be provided, not just water. I'd rather have water and salt than free bits of other food..
I do have salt tabs but the problem is keeping them dry and accessible in a race, where as a tub of salt you can just grab a spoonful.
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IainR
Yet I've never been to a UK race with tubs of salt at aid/food stations...
Haworth Hobble- Mankinholes cp.
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Mr.B., why was the redbush tea brand of such interest to you?
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IainR
Salt... its hardly rocket science is it? its just such a basic requirement yet ignored in the UK..
Yet I've never been to a UK race with tubs of salt at aid/food stations...
In European races salty water or tubs of salt are the norm and once you get used to it cramps are a thing of the past..
A banana and some saline water: carbs, shed loads of K and NaCl..
After big races like a 100k.. a bowl of pasta is essential of not I'm dieing that night. After the 100k in Perth there was hot pasta with tomato sauce and cheese topping available.. I had that and felt fine.
At races like Peris, Wasdale any with road crossings and good access, water and salt should be provided, not just water. I'd rather have water and salt than free bits of other food..
I do have salt tabs but the problem is keeping them dry and accessible in a race, where as a tub of salt you can just grab a spoonful.
Tim Noakes is still not persuaded of the the relevance of salt to exertional muscle cramps - but I know lots of ultra runners disagree with him.
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Mike T
Tim Noakes is still not persuaded of the the relevance of salt to exertional muscle cramps - but I know lots of ultra runners disagree with him.
Lots of issues surrounding running from stretching to ice baths is basically anecdotal.. there's very little hard science supporting them, but I do think a lot of sports science is still pseudo science.. small N numbers.. poor control of groups.. poor standardisation.. science I don't think we'd get away with in main stream biology.... not all of course.
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Mike T
Tim Noakes is still not persuaded of the the relevance of salt to exertional muscle cramps - but I know lots of ultra runners disagree with him.
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IainR
Lots of issues surrounding running from stretching to ice baths is basically anecdotal.. there's very little hard science supporting them, but I do think a lot of sports science is still pseudo science.. small N numbers.. poor control of groups.. poor standardisation.. science I don't think we'd get away with in main stream biology.... not all of course.
However salt is a basic need for rehydration, not solely cramp prevention, hence why I routinely put it in my tea. If you've been training hard, and downing loads of fluids is still leaving you feeling dehydrated, that's because the salt is as important as the fluid.
That's my experience, and when things are going well, rehydration is what I would say limits the amount of hard training I can do.
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LissaJous
However salt is a basic need for rehydration, not solely cramp prevention, hence why I routinely put it in my tea. If you've been training hard, and downing loads of fluids is still leaving you feeling dehydrated, that's because the salt is as important as the fluid.
That's my experience, and when things are going well, rehydration is what I would say limits the amount of hard training I can do.
I like the tick tock one its not bad. Prefer it loose. Whittards do some nice flavoured rooibos loose. Caramel being a favourite.
You sound like a right tea geek!
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Originally Posted by
LissaJous
Sorry: I thought you were being facetious, but it turns out you were being interesting!:w00t:
Background: for black tea I used to drink PG Tips a lots and I could taste the difference between different batches. Brewing time anything from 5-10 minutes up to hours & a microwave reheat. I liked it when it was 'depth' combined with complexity. Occasionally one of those would be missing in a whole box. After I stopped drinking black tea, there was a few months gap before I started drinking redbush tea. I hate and always hated Earl Gray.
Redbush Tea: I use a variety. My favourite is Tick-Tock without doubt, it can be quite intoxicating. :rolleyes: Redbush Tea Company can be lacking in the 'depth'/body, and Tetley lacks the complexity but has extra 'body'. Switching between these, and occasionally others, keeps all of them tasting fresh.
And you know it all depends what mug you brew it in as well! (I brew it teabag in 0.5L mug or thermos)
Oh, and I put a tiny bit of salt in ever since screwing up Ennerdale with cramp in 2010!
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About the fainting. I eat dates before during and after running. Reaally good energy from them for me. Bananas after.
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