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Resting, enough or not enough?
I've been building my running up lately, last week was 71miles 16500ft ascent. All Fell Running/XC/trail just a small handful of Tarmac.
So, this week is supposed to be a rest week. But this is still going to include 40-45miles and 9-10000ft. Just 5 weeks ago a rest week would have been 25-30m and 5000ft.
There'll be biking thrown in on top of this as well. 2-5hrs steady.
Will I overcook it, I feel great despite the jump in training.
Will I burn out?
Or am I just struggling with the concept of a rest week involving 45miles on the hill? MTFU?
Hmmmm,
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Originally Posted by
shaunaneto
I've been building my running up lately, last week was 71miles 16500ft ascent. All Fell Running/XC/trail just a small handful of Tarmac.
So, this week is supposed to be a rest week. But this is still going to include 40-45miles and 9-10000ft. Just 5 weeks ago a rest week would have been 25-30m and 5000ft.
There'll be biking thrown in on top of this as well. 2-5hrs steady.
Will I overcook it, I feel great despite the jump in training.
Will I burn out?
Or am I just struggling with the concept of a rest week involving 45miles on the hill? MTFU?
Hmmmm,
Man up..
Tiredness is normal.. I'd drop the ascent a bit though..
But you have to differentiate between nice high mileage tiredness and ran down..
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But yes, I can see what your saying.
Fife Coastal Path inbound.
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135 views, and only one piece of advice.
Man up.
The forum has spoken.
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Shaun, here's a bit of advice from someone who probably isn't qualified to advise you as although I understand some of the theory I've never been able to do high mileage training because I pick up too many injuries.
My answer is that it's hard to answer your question on the basis of the info you've given so far.... depends on what volume of training you've been doing over the last few years and how fast you've built up the mileage. I seem to remember Ian Holmes saying back in about '96 that he was having an easy week of just 60-65miles after completing the british champs and this stuck in my mind as I was thinking "but my biggest training week ever was only 50 miles".
There's lots of info around on relative volume of training in the weeks of a training cycle - ie what %of a month's training time you spend in each of the weeks - but as I'm at work (!) I don't have anything to hand. The intensity also makes a difference: if your hard weeks include eg 3 hard sessions and your easy one includes only 1 then you're getting a relative rest in the easy week even if the mileage isn't much less.
To some extent you'll find out by listening to your body and by trial and error: eg why not have a properly easy week (ie 20-25 miles) and see how you feel afterwards?
One thing I would be really conscious of is what your legs are telling you - if there's any sign of a niggling injury then ease off, as significant increases in volume can easily lead to injury, stress fracture etc. And if you have a hard, stressful period at work you may want simply to enjoy running in the hills rather than hammering it.
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And if you have a hard, stressful period at work
:w00t: we definitely haven't met.
But thanks for your input, appreciated.
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shaunaneto
:w00t: we definitely haven't met.
But thanks for your input, appreciated.
I reckon you take a few days off for a steady run with me in a few weeks. you've missed both my trips so far,,,
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Most of your Scottish trips are weather cursed.
It's either 32c or 90mph winds or arctic blasts.
Yeh, Glen Finnian was just a touch too far. The line for day trips is the Great Glen. Gets a bit too far after that. Looks like conditions improved for Friday though.
I should have a lot more free/flexible time for June. CRR is wedged in there on the 15th/16th. It should be good month.
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shaunaneto
I should have a lot more free/flexible time for June. CRR is wedged in there on the 15th/16th. It should be good month.
Shaun
Is that your CRR on 15/16 June? Or are you supporting a.n.other?
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Just supporting thank goodness. Still a fair old jog out for me, but nothing bonkers.
I feel weak just at the thought of the whole thing.
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shaunaneto
Most of your Scottish trips are weather cursed.
It's either 32c or 90mph winds or arctic blasts.
Yeh, Glen Finnian was just a touch too far. The line for day trips is the Great Glen. Gets a bit too far after that. Looks like conditions improved for Friday though.
Very strange trip...snow, blizzards...gales..severe windchill and sunburn all in 3 days. did you check the pictures
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Originally Posted by
shaunaneto
I've been building my running up lately, last week was 71miles 16500ft ascent. All Fell Running/XC/trail just a small handful of Tarmac.
So, this week is supposed to be a rest week. But this is still going to include 40-45miles and 9-10000ft. Just 5 weeks ago a rest week would have been 25-30m and 5000ft.
There'll be biking thrown in on top of this as well. 2-5hrs steady.
Will I overcook it, I feel great despite the jump in training.
Will I burn out?
Or am I just struggling with the concept of a rest week involving 45miles on the hill? MTFU?
I'm not one of the 135, just spotted the thread.
When things are going well absolutely anything seems to be possible, and it can go on for 6 months or more like that. A training diary is always good as you'll notice the moment training times start worsening. Last year, if my legs ever started feeling very fatigued, just one day off would be sufficient to be back on pace. This year is a different story...
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blencathrafrommykitchen
One thing I would be really conscious of is what your legs are telling you - if there's any sign of a niggling injury then ease off, as significant increases in volume can easily lead to injury, stress fracture etc. And if you have a hard, stressful period at work you may want simply to enjoy running in the hills rather than hammering it.
I think that depends.. At the moment I'm back at around 90-100 miles a week for the next month, I ran a marathon at the weekend but just as a hard training run so want to keep the miles highish, Sunday I was sore so just did a steady 6.5, Monday I was still sore so did 10 on trails.. but my IT bands were sore.. previously I'd have backed off but I went to the gym and did a 30 minute session of stretching and rolling with the foam roller and today its OK again.. when you up the mileage I think you have to be more responsive. You can't always just run through issues, but you can sort them if you feel them early enough.. by just backing off you often don't solve the problem you just alleviate the symptoms until they happen again the next time you step up the mileage.
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IainR
I think that depends.. At the moment I'm back at around 90-100 miles a week for the next month, I ran a marathon at the weekend but just as a hard training run so want to keep the miles highish, Sunday I was sore so just did a steady 6.5, Monday I was still sore so did 10 on trails.. but my IT bands were sore.. previously I'd have backed off but I went to the gym and did a 30 minute session of stretching and rolling with the foam roller and today its OK again.. when you up the mileage I think you have to be more responsive. You can't always just run through issues, but you can sort them if you feel them early enough.. by just backing off you often don't solve the problem you just alleviate the symptoms until they happen again the next time you step up the mileage.
Fair comment Iain. I guess what I meant was that if Shaunaneto has built up his mileage over a relatively short period of time he could be susceptible to overuse injuries whereas I think you're coming from the position where you can run a high monthly mileage consistently if you look after body by stretching, massage, core work etc - which I completely agree with. I also think if you keep a record of how you feel as part of your training log, and any little niggles suffered, you can see problems emerging and tackle them (eg by stretching) before they become serious. I don't run significant numbers of miles in training but on the basis of past experience I emphasise eg eccentric calf/achilles work if my achilles is at all tender and ITB stretches if my knee gives me any niggly pain.
Shaunaneto - who are you supporting in mid June?
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I guess what I meant was that if Shaunaneto has built up his mileage over a relatively short period of time he could be susceptible to overuse injuries
And this is my concern. 40mpw, 8-11000ft, fairly normal. But I do need easy weeks normally to give the joints and muscles a chance to recover. But having what is normally a sold week as a rest week (I ended up doing 42m 8000ft, with two days off). And this off the back of a 70 mile week with 16500ft.
Last year I overcooked it and blew up. And it took a while to recover, too long. So far what I'm doing feels right, the one key difference this year is I've avoided giving in to "the fear of missing out". This is in relation to friends heading out for hard days and joining them despite being tired and needing and easy run.
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Shaunaneto - who are you supporting in mid June?
Club mate from a Fife based club, I think he's keeping it relatively low key. So I won't publicise his escapades too much.
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shaunaneto
Club mate from a Fife based club, I think he's keeping it relatively low key. So I won't publicise his escapades too much.
Might see you there... similarly low-key!
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blencathrafrommykitchen
Fair comment Iain. I guess what I meant was that if Shaunaneto has built up his mileage over a relatively short period of time he could be susceptible to overuse injuries whereas I think you're coming from the position where you can run a high monthly mileage consistently if you look after body by stretching, massage, core work etc - which I completely agree with. I also think if you keep a record of how you feel as part of your training log, and any little niggles suffered, you can see problems emerging and tackle them (eg by stretching) before they become serious. I don't run significant numbers of miles in training but on the basis of past experience I emphasise eg eccentric calf/achilles work if my achilles is at all tender and ITB stretches if my knee gives me any niggly pain.
Shaunaneto - who are you supporting in mid June?
Yeah my two chronic issues are ITBS and PF... both I can feel very early now and know how to respond... sometimes just running on softer trails for a week is enough to ease it off.. but you ceratinly get far more attuned to what the early symptoms are and cut them off at the beginning.
