Without wanting to give anything away that isn't common knowledge, there seemed to be rumour flying about that another race may be added to the trophy. Anyone know if true, and how it may affect the format/number of races needed to complete...?
Pete
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Without wanting to give anything away that isn't common knowledge, there seemed to be rumour flying about that another race may be added to the trophy. Anyone know if true, and how it may affect the format/number of races needed to complete...?
Pete
Page 61 of the FRA 2016 Calendar makes things perfectly clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
Many thanks. Shall read on my return to blighty at the weekend.
Clear, but interesting Mr B.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
There's the addition of Buttermere Horseshoe, but Borrowdale has been relegated from Super Long to Long, and Langdale has been dropped altogether.
The Longs are going to be "rotated" to keep the total races to 6, so Langdale will be back next year and one of the other Longs will be rested.
Borrowdale has never struggled for numbers so it need not be amongst the compulsory "two from Super Long" list.
Buttermere is a worthy addition to the Calendar: a "serious" race for "serious" fell runners and in the context of why the LCT was established it seems right to elevate it to LCT status (!) to broaden its appeal.
Bill and Ben are two of the nicest people in fell running and I applaud the changes they are making, which, although it was not necessary, they were kind and gracious to discuss with me before making the changes.
Does this mean the abreviation "SR" will be added to the race description ? Might rule me out , will there be checks at the start?
I personally found Buttermere Horseshoe harder than Ennerdale and Wasdale....it's a brute of a race, great addition.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tindersticks
Darren,
(Just between us girls). It was done just for you!
:D
Yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by Heaning Hobbler
And all entrants will have to produce a portfolio of respectful Forum posts.
:D
OH dear, thats me out too. (thank goodness for that)
GrahamQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
You're just too kind!
As the LC was set up to stop Wasdale, Ennerdale and the likes dying out, it's good to see this extended to Buttermere Skyline which is an absolute belter/bugger but has suffered low numbers the last 2 years (mainly due to clashes with Champs races). Of course there are other long lakes races that could be considered for LC status (Great Lakes, Howtown, Helvellyn and the Dodds) but non are 'superlong'.
Langdale and Borrowdale are currently always fully subscribed and so don't need the 'support' of Lakeland classics status as much as the others. However it'd be wrong to scrap these two entirely so having one in one year, the other the next seems like a good idea.
Looking forward to Buttermere already. Might recce it this time as well!
If you've done Wasdale does that make you a serious fell runner if you don't want to be one?
You need to do the wasdale show race to be a serious runner.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
This is getting a bit serious now.
Yes: but not if you post on the forum so, DT, you can safely retain your dilettante status unsmirched .http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/image...es/biggrin.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Derby Tup
Can any one tell me if the rumour that Great Whernside will be a Bofra super long next year...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Stagger
Haha!
Great post Nic.Quote:
Originally Posted by ba-ba
Kirby gala is the only super long for 2016 its rotated yearly with Farleton Knott to avoid erosion ��Quote:
Originally Posted by IanDarkpeak
Thanks for the explanation Mr B ~ I knew there'd be a sensible reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
I've never done a Super Long but have done Borrowdale, Langdale and 3 Shires a couple of dozen times each. Pity that doesn't count.............
My pleasure. The 3 Shires was my favourite fell race.Quote:
Originally Posted by mapper
The expression Super Long was conceived by my chum Brian Martin as a neat way of distinguishing between, say, 3 Shires with a record of 105 minutes (Gavin Bland); and Ennerdale (Kenny Stuart) and Wasdale (Billy Bland) with records of 200 and 205 minutes respectively, which incidentally have stood for 30+ years and probably with good reason.
Ah but wasn't Simon Booth very close a while back (like within 30s), but he had to take a detour over the bridge at the end whilst Kenny could shortcut straight through the river?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Breeze
When all is said & done, one can only go with conditions on the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ba-ba
How many races have there been where someone was within seconds of the record and would have beaten the record if there had not been a head wind, or if conditions under foot had not been "heavy going"? Que sera sera!
True, but it was technically a different course ;)
In 2000 Simon ran 3.21.24
The Fellrunner October 2000 Results page 17:
"The current race start is shorter than the route on which Kenny set his record so the record still stands"
But well remembered! It was a Champ counter so people were trying.
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Originally Posted by ba-ba
Well before I started running, just remember being told it in the pub a few years ago.
Mark Roberts was telling RhysFR (the previous year's winner in 3:45ish) that he was 4th in 3:25ish in 2000. A discussion about runner quality vs. depth of competition to push towards these record times was in the offing, but everyone was too pissed so it stopped at 'you younguns are just slow'
Mark did 3.26.19 behind Gavin and Jonny Bland and ahead of Robb Jebb, Mark Rigby et al: so not too shabby.Quote:
Originally Posted by ba-ba
Btw there were 223 runners in 2000 because it was a British Champs race but only 38 entries in 1999. F&M wrecked 2001 so Brian Martin and I started the LCT in 2002.
Simon was only seconds of the Borrowdale record about 10 years ago too.