Can someone direct me to route details/map of this new race scheduled for 30th September 2018 please or perhaps it is being kept secret so that the GPSers can't get hold of it!
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Can someone direct me to route details/map of this new race scheduled for 30th September 2018 please or perhaps it is being kept secret so that the GPSers can't get hold of it!
It's no secret, I'm just a bit tardy at publishing a map. Leave it with me, I'll get something online in the next week or so.
A few non-optimal lines but you will get the jist of it from this strava plot.
I visited all the "check points"
There was no need to visit mill hill twice, I should have swung west earlier.
My climb back up to Mill Hill after visiting Harry Hut was on the wrong side of the grough.
I was also on the wrong side of the grough climbing Brown Knoll.
I reckon a winning time would be similar to the Edale Skyline
https://www.strava.com/activities/1425932929
Thanks Pat. :)
Looks horrendous 😁 But I would have done it and suffered, except for the fact that I'm in Malaga that week 😢 Good on you Noel though and hope it is a great success. I certainly enjoyed the Cat+Fiddle relay that you put on.
Yes, we tried to make it steep. :)
Malaga sounds nice. I've just been in the Sierra Nevada (about an hour's drive away, and very nice), sampling some of the walking/running routes from fell running's own Andy Walmsley:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Walking-Sie.../dp/1852844353
Does anyone know if there's a list of checkpoints for this?
Here you are - enjoy. I jogged round a few weeks ago and I think there will be some potential for different route choice.
Start: Kinder Road/Bank St junction in Hayfield 037 871
1. Path junction 050 883
2. Checkpoint 058 902
3. Harry Hut trig 045 907
4. Path junction 050 918
5. Path/trod junction 071 893
6. Trod junction near bridge 060 887
7. Path/stream junction 065 876
8. Kinder Low Trig 079 870
9. Footbridge 087 862
10. Brown knoll trig 084 851
11. South Head summit 060 845
12. Mount Famine summit 056 849
13. Gate on bridleway 052 864
Finish: under goalposts in park 038 868
That's great. Many thanks.
Noel - one or two of those grid refs aren't quite right. In particular the South Head summit should be SK 060 845 (062 846 is on the Pennine Bridleway at the foot of the climb) and CP 13 should be SK 052 864 (053 864 puts you at the gate on the track below the bridleway).
I'm particularly interested to see what route people will take between CP 7 and CP 8.
Ya I had a bit of fun there, I suppose the obvious thing is to hop over the gate, but then it is right tussock bashing to the plateau. There are bits of trods in places and a number of groughs to aim towards, just a matter of picking the correct one. I was quite a bit too far south (in the strava plot above) when I hit the plateau and had to swing north to get to the "check point".Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
Thanks Geoff :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
I'll edit my post above then people don't get confused.
When I reccied it, we went the long way round, but did wonder whether it was faster going direct. It will be interesting to see what people do on the day.
Good on you Noel, for putting on another AL in the Peak District.
I wont be able to make it this your but, hope to do some grooving next year.
All the very best
sbrt
Would it be the only AL? The Trigger is a BL and really that is all the Edale Skyline is as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbrt
I'm sure I remember the Roaches being classified as AL for at least its first few years, even though it is BL now.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrPatrickBarry
Holme Moss is AL.
Edale Skyline is 'AL'
Totley Exterminator is advertised as AL but I think it may be suffering from some Skyline-itis.
"It will be interesting to see what people do on the day."
Ha ha ha FOLLOW, they always do.
I went around this yesterday. There's a good mix of everything - fast, slow; runnable, rough; running climbs, walking climbs. It took about 3h to get around(27km, close to 1400m climb) so 2:35 under racing conditions?
It doesn't require fine nav, but it does require the ability to set and hold a bearing. Proper fell race stuff. If the mist comes down finding Mill Hill and the trigs at Kinder Low and Brown Knoll could prove interesting. The 2nd and 3rd climbs climb could sap a lot of energy.
The start is standard from the Downfall. Once at the shooting cabin #1 (CP1 ish) you follow the quad track past it. Just before this crosses a marshy beck you stay parallel to it on a small but good trod to CP2, which is on no feature so hopefully the marshal has got it right. From here you bear left (compass may help) to pick up a good flagged path. The run to CP3 (Harry Hut trig) follows the path for 500-600m until you bear right on a good wide quad track which was lovely and springy yesterday but could be a bit muddier come the end of September.
From CP3 you can see shooting cabin #2 and the small trod you want across the valley - if it's clear. Some heather bashing brings you into the stream at the trod which is indistinct and brackeny to start with before getting better. From the shooting cabin it is wide and well made quad track leading you to CP4. Leaving CP4 uphill is a good track. You cross a stile at the wall corner and follow a small trod into a beck. You then have to make your way out of the beck and up the hill towards Mill Hill CP5. This is the roughest section of the route. The are no trods going the right way so a compass bearing and heads up to spot lines of least resistance through the heather is required. Eventually the terrain changes to grass as you approach the CP on the pennine way. Flagged paths radiating W and NE from Mill Hill can guide you in.
From here the nav gets a bit easier. Down to the top of William Clough, up Ashop head/Kinder steps and to the top of Sandy Heys CP5. Descending Sandy Heys, one of the best climbs in the peak, seems a bit paradoxical but it's still a fun descent down to Benny's Bridge CP6. Here keep the reservoir on your right. There are good paths around the reservoir, a river crossing then a short pull up over upper moor and drop down to CP7 at the river crossing. From here to CP8 at Kinder low trig there are several potential lines. You can ascend to the broad clough enclosure then strike out on OK going, climbing S of the 3 knolls or to the spur above Kinder Low end. You can go more direct through rougher terrain and trough the 3 knolls. Or anything in between. Either way it's "a mini Whernside"
From the trig a drop past Noe Stool to the packhorse bridge at the bottom of Jacob's ladder CP9 has bits of trods and lines and may be familiar from the end of trigger. From the bridge go through the gate and up the bridleway until it turns sharp right. You cross a ruined wall and head over rough grass to the steep-sided clough ahead. Ascend this then from the stream junction ascend the left gulley or the spur, bearing set, to find Brown Knoll trig CP10.
From here the going is easier but there's still a good 4 miles or so left. Follow the flags to the stile (no cutting corners!) then follow the good path to the Roych track. Short pulls up South Head CP11 and Mount Famine CP12 add an air of completeness and 2 final tests. You can then follow the track (to skirt the Dragon's Back) to Christine's gate CP13 before the final run in above the campsite to finish on the Hayfield Rec.
Yes it's a bit convoluted but it's a bit more natural than some other long races in Yorkshire and the Peak. I think it's a good all-round test of fell running - speed, endurance, repetitive climbs, terrain chops and basic nav ability. It even packs in more climb that Skyline in 4 miles less!
BaBa, from cp4 it is best to turn back the way you came until you see the shooting buts, follow those up, bits of trods, much easier/faster.
Shhh don't give the game away! ;)
I went off a 1:50k map and looking at a 1:25k after the extra detail shows more possibilities.
Groovy Kinder Love (30th September 2018) – notes to competitors
Kit check
There will be a kit check at registration, please come to registration with full FRA kit: waterproof whole body cover (with taped seams and integrated attached hood), hat, gloves, map of the route, compass, whistle and emergency food.
Time cut-offs
To prevent marshals being on the fell for too long, there will be a time cut-off in place. Runners reaching checkpoint 7 after 2.00pm will be asked to remove their numbers and make their own way off the hill.
If you think you need more time to complete the course, there will be an early set-off for slower runners at 10:15am (45 minutes before the normal race start time).
Use of GPS
As this is the first running of the race, the use of GPS devices is permitted.
It's looking like a reasonable forecast for tomorrow. See you all there. Don't forget to bring full kit with you.
Thanks for putting on this epic race around the peaks, love the amount of route choice that's allowed. Hopefully it will be repeated every year.
Special thanks to the marshals for standing around in the harsh winds.
It was me at kinder low, bloody freezing. Could not believe how many different directions people came from. Amazing winning time, 2:22
& it was me and Beau Dog at CP3 ... also bloody freezing! I was still thawing out 2hrs after getting home. What a super organised race. Been a long time since I saw so many route choices in a fell race. It really wasn't a case of follow the leader as from CP3 they were going in all directions. Starva flyby's are fantastic! Well done everyone and Noel ... brilliant organisation, brilliant route, brilliant race :-) Job well done :-)
Yes, thank you Noel, and everyone else involved, including DrPatrickBarry, RaceTheSweeper and all the other marshalls – I hope I said thank you in person. I was certainly thinking ‘Thank you’, even if I didn’t have enough puff to get the words out clearly.
It was great!
I hope it becomes a fixture, because it will take a dozen years or so for me to refine my route choices. The chap I was catching towards the end (who shall remain nameless, Carlos Bedson, Cheshire Hill Racers) discerned that I am a poor descender and deliberately led me over the Dragon’s Back rather than round the easy track. I trusted his judgement after seeing him lead a posse of runners down a path (a path!) to the bottom of Jacob’s Ladder while I struggled through shoulder-deep bracken on the other side of the clough! His ‘Dragon’s Back’ tactic worked and he beat me comfortably. We had a good laugh about it at the end. What a superb fell race!
Thanks everyone for the words of encouragement on the day and afterwards. I certainly plan to make the race a permanent fixture on the calendar. The results are now up: https://fellrunner.org.uk/results.php?id=5335
Yes, many thanks to all involved in putting this on - organisation, marshalling, registration, car parking … Glad a did a couple of recces, even though I made a few last minute changes to my planned route choices. Hope to be back next year.
Can you post the link to Strava flyby, I can't open it on my laptop.Quote:
Originally Posted by RaceTheSweeper
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Hi - does anyone know the cut offs for this this year? Thanks.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard123
"There is a three hour cut off at Broad Clough. Anybody arriving after that time will be required to head directly back to the finish."
https://pennineridgefellrunner.blogspot.com/
Llani Boy finishing in an impressive position today.
Also noticed IanR in 4th (and also ran well at Grisedale last weekend)
Thanks Trav's and also to Dr Patrick Barry and his team for putting on a great race which even had EOD, which hopefully might catch on ;)!
I really enjoyed it and could have got round a bit quicker if I hadn't veered from my planned route from Edale Rocks to Broad Clough and then avoided the schoolboy error in the concentration department of, after the last checkpoint, missing the gate onto the Snake Path and following the path beside the wall to Park Hall and ending up on the main road at Little Hayfield and a blast to the finish where I had to run up the outside of the funnel to get into it! :)
I had realised my mistake before Park Hall and it crossed my mind to cut back across the fields to my left but that would have involved climbing walls, fences and upsetting farmers. I can be sensible sometimes! Around a mile extra and 3 places lost.
I would certainly recommend this tough race and hopefully will be back to nail it next year!
Oh yes, it was great to catch up with IanR before and after the race. He came 4th.