Simon Halliday from Clayton completed his second BG of the year this morning (22/23rd December). He did 23.56 in icy conditions. Has anyone ever done two BGs in a year before (Summer and Winter)?
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Simon Halliday from Clayton completed his second BG of the year this morning (22/23rd December). He did 23.56 in icy conditions. Has anyone ever done two BGs in a year before (Summer and Winter)?
Not sure...I've never heard of anyone complete two BG's in the same year. Fantastic achievement well done to Simon and everyone else involved in the round!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by martin
Excellent effort - I bet he had to step on the gas the last few miles, a close thing for the sub24.
Yet more inspiration here, well done Simon, get thee feet up for Christmas.
Well done Simon.
having completed in 23:57 myself I know how it feels, and also how it feels at 24:03 on my first winter attempt. The former is much better than the latter!
Very well done.:)
Mrs Real Ale here, glad to see someone else was daft enough to do a Winter Round, my husband set off on his round (on his own and also his second) on Thursday evening. Some pictures from one of the team:Quote:
Originally Posted by martin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/laurenc...7603519232262/
excellent - great style. may be see you on the tour du mont blanc next year?
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Originally Posted by Real Ale Man
Well done Simon :)
Well done to both Simon and Real Ale Man :)
Congratulations! A Winter BG is a MONSTROUS thing to achieve! :eek:
How many have there been? I know it's not many.
Now, I am no BG candidate, let's have that clear.
Having done Leg 1 with the Crumblies a couple of weeks back in awful conditions and heard what it was like on top of Helvellyn at the weekend, I can only be full of admiration at the grit and determination you fellas must have. I was thinking (as the horizontal, driving sleet was lashing my back and arms), how do people do the whole thing in the winter?!:eek:
A winter BG is some acheivement... congratulations and then some!;)
Oh, and Merry Christmas to one and all.
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Originally Posted by martin
respect simon;)
Well done to both of you.
Bill
I was taking an amble around Langdale on Saturday and bumped into a few people who were supporting Simon. I am massively impressed by his achievement, especially considering the number of times I fell over, it was seriously slippery conditions!
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Originally Posted by Grouse
I *think* it is now up to fourteen. I've added a page to the BG section of my site: http://www.aqvi55.dsl.pipex.com/run/bgr_winter.htm
think that's right bob. I recall that Mike Robinson did his in Feb 2006 - about 22:30 I think.
FMA
I was up in the Dunmail Raise area preparing for a summer BGR attempt this coming June when I met the friendly support crew waiting for Simon to come through. Given that I was slipping all over the place on the way up / down from Seat Sandal I really did not think that Simon would go sub 24 hrs. Really well done ! A fantastic effort.
Tremendous achievement chaps - and hats off to the helpers as well - brilliant and inspirational stuff.
ST
Hello Bob,
If you'd like to add further winter rounds to update your website myself Garry Beardwood, Simon Waller and Paul Jackson all completed the BG on the 16.02.08 in the following times:-
Simon Waller 22.47
Garry Beradwood 23.00
Paul Jackson 23.53
Thanks to a cracking support team:-
Matt Noble (Road Support)
Joe Faulkner
Louise Wilkinson
Ian Barnes
Tim Murray
Russell Cannon
Dave White
Eric Draper
Dave Till
Alan Miller
Gavin Thomas
Matt Berrisford
Sean?
Chris Robinson
Shaun Addison
Ian Mitchell
Thanks for that Garry, good effort, I don't believe any of you had done a summer round before - can't find your names in the current list anyway. Which way round did you go? Did you all set off together?
That's correct Bob none us have done the round before. We all started together at Midnight on Friday 15th Feb going clockwise. We kept together until Wasdale.
Good effort on a very sunny day in the lakes. However, as it was outside the two week time window either side of the shortest day for a winter round, perhaps better described as an early spring round.
I we were blessed with good weather although abit nippy at night. Not to sure about winter only being 4 weeks though!
Not wanting to start a debate I consider this a winter round. Not only beacuse it was done in winter but there is no actual definition of a winter round.
The 2 weeks either side of the shortest day is the idea of those originally trying it, Martin Stone etc.
Other rounds done in Feb (e.g. Mike Robinson) were definateley in winter conditions.
Winter is winter.
win·ter (win′tər)
noun
- the coldest season of the year: in the North Temperate Zone, generally regarded as including the months of December, January, and February: in the astronomical year, that period between the winter solstice and the vernal equinox.
Don't agree that winter only lasts four weeks, plus at that time of year very little chance of snow on the ground more chance in Jan or Feb.Quote:
Originally Posted by little binnian
Bob do you know how many people have done a "real winter round" ie under winter conditions not just a shorter day.
Other than John Fleetwood's round which I helped out with (basically dry with some ice) I don't know of the conditions underfoot of any of the winter rounds. Custard Powder could help us out with the recent ones.
As you say, defining what is winter condition is not easy: photos from the Lakes yesterday show much more winter like scene than pictures taken around new year. Even requiring snow cover doesn't make things easier as that could be anything from a dusting that makes things look white to metre deep cover. I've known snow conditions in the Lakes where it has been easier to move along than in summer.
My feeling is that any round in December, January and at least the first half of February should be considered as a winter round. Leave the reporting of actual conditions to the contenders. Certainly the amount of daylight now is significantly longer than at the solstice, it was light before 6am this morning and it there will be usable light until around 6:30pm
Bob
I seem to have opened a real can of worms! First of all I agree with you both. There are more chances of winter conditions quiet a few weeks after the shortest day but I think we're looking at two completely seperate subjects- hours of day light and weather conditions.
My conclusion is that it would be very difficult to create a criteria of what constitutes winter conditions, but as Advark quotes "Winter is winter, December, January, and February".
In all honesty if you did it on the shortest day with a clear night and full moon you would be amazed how much light there was! We experienced this when recceing leg 2 just before Christmas on a 3/4 moon.
We set our attempt date thinking we would stand less chance of getting mild conditions in Feb as the winters seem to be getting later. I had also written to Brian Covell of the 24hr BG club for his opinion on the matter. He said this was a question he was being asked more frequently of late but that the club had no defined dates and it would be raised at the next committe meeting. However he did say exactly what Aardvark quoted, and that if we attempted the round in Dec, Jan or Feb it would be winter.
The conditions setting off from Moot Hall at midnight Friday the 15th were dry and the temperature was approx -4 Deg C with clear sky. On the tops the temperature remained around -7 Deg C up until 07.00. Under foot was hard with ice over bogs on Leg 1. At Threlkeld (03.54) there was black ice on the road which I managed to fall on! Also at Dumail Raise it was still quite cold, Matt our road support had to light a fire under the butane bottle to get it going!
I remember the ground was still white with frost on High Raise at 10:12 with clear blue sky and amazing views if you dared to look up! The remainder of the day was sunny and clear but we didn't book this in advance!!!!! It was dark again when we started to climb Great Gable approx 18.30. When we reached keswick the the temperature was around -3 Deg C and felt a damn sight colder once I'd stopped (until I got in the pub!)
I hope this has helped!
Garry
Very well done chaps, sounds like winter to me :)
Good to read last little report, brought back some nice memories of my recce's last year. Thanks:D
If any of you would like to read Simon's detailed account of his round on the Clayton Harriers Website I think you will realise that you can also get winter conditions in the 4 week window around the shortest day. Having said that his summer round felt like winter too!
Not sure how to do the link thing to make it easier for you.
http://www.clayton-le-moors-harriers...er_BG_2007.pdfQuote:
Originally Posted by Also Ran
That should do it
I know that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Also Ran
My problem with the 4 week window is it does not allow people to do a winter round in Feb when conditions could be more wintery.
I think any time from Dec to Feb should be classed as a winter round, if your lucky with the weather so what.
The winter conditions is a separate and very fleeting thing in the lakes these days :)
I would say what "I" would class as winter conditions we've only had a few days of this winter,a light dusting of snow doesn't count :rolleyes:
Thanks Shuffler, good read.Quote:
Originally Posted by FellShoeShuffler
What was Martin Morans definition? When he did the munro's in winter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baggins
I think it was from the winter solstice (Dec 21) to the spring equinox (March 21). I think anytime from Dec-March is winter. You can't compare winter rounds anyway, OK it's darker in december, but there may not be snow, may be a full moon. The weather is so fickle and there are so many other factors that I think it should be quite broad, and people just record the lunar, meterological and underfoot conditions, and that's it.
Just to pick up on Garry's message of 6 March.
The number of enquiries about Winter BG's is increasing.
The topic will be on the agenda at the next BG committee meeting later this year.
I have assembled a variety of views ranging from the very narrow definition held by Martin Stone to others that are more flexible.
I think it likely that there will be no "Rules" set down but instead perhaps a page added to the BG website on which I can outline the various schools of thought that are out there.
At the same time I am trying to get the Winter data up to date. With the increasing number of Winter rounds, the best answer may well be to shift the completed Winter Rounds list from the "Records" page and establish a separate list of winter completions.
As ever, its fascinating to hear what people think!
Garry, I asume you have got your paperwork in to Brian?
Cheers.
Morgan
Yes, I hand delivered all our time sheets to his house (at least I think it was his house!) about a week ago. Do you recieve any confirmation from the club on receipt of the time sheets?Quote:
Originally Posted by BGSec
Cheers,
Garry
There were some awesome winter conditons around Helvellyn last weekend (knee deep in snow at times) none the less it was definitely the height of spring! The weather doesnt seem to respect our definitions of when winter is.
:)
Were you one of the guys going up, as I came down to dunmail???Quote:
Originally Posted by wightplodder
It was seriously cold, and I was postholing in the snow at times.
Yet in edale, it was tropical
And on wednesday had a great day on the coniston fells - the weather can be so variable!!
I was coming down to Dunmail on Sunday afternoon about 1600. Only saw one runner on top of Helvellyn an hour or so earlier but it was a gorgeous day-cold but sunny and clear.