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Still have it.
Can,t run a step .
Tried cycling and ended up in James Cook Hospital Mbro A&E for three hours (Missed Coronation St and Waterloo road) and came out with seven stitches to my knee.
Tried again this week ,cycled down a steep farm track ,hit a log and went head first over the handle bars.
Oh joy.
Thank the lord for the t20 cricket world cup and at least i have the ashes to look forward to.
If Trog is out there ,are you doing the Cleveland relay ?what leg.
Love you all
still got mine as well . had cortisone injection which cleared it for 6 months , even managed some halfs , came back overnite . getting good on the bike thou !
Hi mate, sorry to hear that you are not on the road to recovery yet. My PF is 99% ok now, it still feels a little stiff first thing in the morning but it is runable.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.P.E Knott
I am running the RHB to Whitby leg, and expect to spectate at a few other changeovers.
TrogQuote:
Originally Posted by Trog
If you have them can you pm me with the ETAs and ETDs
for the RHB to Gribdale legs
Thanks
APE
I have been reading the PF threads for months now ... I am lucky enough to have a local GP who used to be Agony Uncle for runner's world and I finally saw him yesterday. He sent me away with a compliments slip which says:
Spenco orthotic arch support 3/4
shoe size
credit card number
tel 0161 678 0233.
Will it work? I do hope so! Worth a go he certainly knows his stuff.
Tried a run tonight ,a little better but still a long way to go ,i need to know if these supports are any good !!!
Am I not right in thinking that supporting your foot for PF is the wrong thing to do?
dunno if this helps at all, but in my local Motability-type shop they have special foot bandages which keep the foot flexed whilst you are asleep. I spotted them and they were called 'PF Supports'. Maybe my shop's a bit far away(Shropshire) but there are specialist shops all over the country.
Just to let everyone know if they didn't already ,avoid this injury at all costs .
Seven months on and of for me now and no signs of improvement.
Why did i ever alter my training ?
i ran every other day and raced ok then delusions of grandeur kick in and we get ahead of ourselves or i get ahead of myself !!
Personally I would try drinking bat's wee if I thought it might help, endless rest (aaaaagh!), stretching, friction & physio exercises have done nothing for me. I am just getting old and my foundations need underpinning, do they make off road mobility scooters?
yep they do:D well, when I was in there t'other day they had some with what I can only describe as armoured-car style wheels. Maybe not strictly off road.. but I couldnt see much getting in the way & surviving:D
Mine is 98% better, but still lurking, just waiting for me to increase my mileage? Pf stole 2 years of my life. My dilemma was that it seemed my foot needed support, but all the orthotics available (NHS or private) were too hard for my painful heel to tolerate. No professional seemed able to understand that what I needed was not cushioning between my foot and the ground, but between my foot and the shoe / orthotic. I even tried gel-soled socks - expensive but useless. I have just got back to using my NHS orthotics after years of stuffing my shoes with Sorbothane + Noene insoles - soft but not supportive enough.
I had a breakthrough when Steve Hodgson (super-physio in Sheffield) taped my foot. This was only a temporary expedient, but it seems to have given my foot a rest and enabled it to heal (ish). You can tape your foot yourself, but you need 2 types of tape, not easy to buy, instructions from a book or the net, and some suppleness. I did it myself when a flare up seemed to be starting. Side effect - the sticky gunge from the tape ruined my sock. If anyone knows how to remove glue from a polyurethane sock?
Finally, I hope this isn't libellous, but I have met many honest physios but very few honest podiatrists - and she was working for the NHS.
I'm new here and viewing this thread has prompted me to pass on some info about my own (long) experience with plantar fasciitis. Hopefully, at least, it'll be a bit interesting, even better if it actually helps (APE & Chicken especially). Sorry if it's a bit wordy, reading it is not compulsory. I also acknowledge that I am reiterating what some others have mentioned.
I've had it (PF), in varying degrees, for longer than I can remember, certainly at least 3 years. I tried resting (in desperation, for 3 months), that didn't work. Neither has: physio, cross frictions, calf stretching, changing shoes, golf balls, tennis balls, wooden roller thing, and a few more I can't (or choose not to) remember. Although I never succumbed to the needle.
Until recently, the one thing that gave me almost instant relief was an arch-supporting orthotic. Do I recommend that route? No. Why? Because it stopped the pf but caused other problems: my ankles didn't feel 'right', eventually leading to ankle pain especially if I didn't put my orthotics in every pair of shoes I wore. But, more importantly, it's a remedy, a prop, or a mask — like taking aspirin for a headache caused by stress.
What made my pf worse was wearing flat shoes or sandals. That's no surprise, because that's what most people say will happen.
Yet, there was a clue, and Hopey (post no. 7), is right on the money.
I'd noticed, quite recently that running long distances in my Inov8s Terrocs (not much cushioning or support there) didn't make things any worse; if anything, it was slightly better. So, to cut a long story just a little bit shorter, I started to read about alternatives (ideas that seemed diametrically opposed to conventional wisdom) and subsequently found a nice hard road, dumped the shoes and socks, and went for a 2 mile run.
The results? Well, some blisters of course, but almost immediately, and certainly within a few days (and a little more daft running), miraculous reduction in PF symptoms. Some 5 weeks later with about 5% of my running being done barefoot, the improvement continues.
I now spend as much time as possible out of shoes. My barefoot running is minimal (you can't do much early on), but the new found strength already apparent in my feet seems to be doing the trick.
The answer (for me anyway) was in the feet. Don't shield them or protect them, get them working, let them feel the ground you stamp on, and they'll show you how to stamp no more. But do take it easy.
And if it doesn't work? Then you can try the bat's wee.
Is PF definately a heel thing,I have aches only in the arch of the foot, just came on today after a 9 mile road run. My arch became painfull on the inside of my left foot on the walk home from uni about 6 hours later. Its one thing to the next at the moment.
try taping, you can buy strappel zinc oxide tape off the net and this is a handy link works for me. get some spenco insoles as well for all your shoes. avoid the roads
That's an interesting link Phil. Does the tape stay in place, say round a long boggy fell race ?Quote:
Originally Posted by philgreen1968
Zinc oxide tape is incredibly adhesive and durable. I've worn it on AL's through rivers and it hasn't lost adhesion. It stays on for days.
Even if it isn't your answer to PF problems, it's amazing stuff when compared to other adhesive strips!
As to PF, I think it's the podiatric equivalent to dyslexia; in every case, there is a cluster of causes and in every case the cluster is different.
That's a principal reason why it's so hard to prescribe a remedy. The symptoms are the same, but the causes aren't, and remediation demands different approaches.
In extremes, it can mean either adopting maximal or minimal cushioning, and even the experts struggle to say which is right in any individual situation.
if you want the 'professional' view, have a look here:
ARC article on PF, with pdf's of exercise advice . It's a good, well balanced summary of the aetiology and current treatment options. The ARC do a range of leaflets about sports injuries, and they're usually good.
Injection is usually a last resort
The exercise sheet can be downloaded as a pdf off the same page.
I recommend it a lot for people I see with PF.
be aware that the pain can be from the Achilles insertion, right through to under the mid-instep, and be all around, or to one side, of the heel bone - it's all PF, and the treatments are similar.
it is almost certainly a biomechanical problem of the whole hindfoot, except when more rarely it is due to a direct impact. I tend to find people who just wear insoles, and don't stretch/ modify exercise don't get better quickly.
NSAIDs will help the pain, but not cure the problem
this is chat, not advice :)
ps.I'm not a big fan of podiatric inserts for PF either. The people I see with them haven't found them helpful - this may of course be case mix. I just don't 'get' the explanation as to why a heel wedge or some other such device should help. Maybe I'm dim, but in running, do they really affect the biomechanics?
caveat emptor: I agree with above comments re:some physios and podiatrists who have a business to run which involves selling seemingly plausible stories+/-devices and encouraging repeat attendance. A good sports physio is worth their weight in Bodyglide;)
This mirrors my own experience. had PF off and on for years. Found relief with both custom orthotics and off the shelf (superfeet etc) but always felt I was just treating the symptoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham Chapman
I've tried Vibram fivefingers and a bit of barefoot running for 6-9 months now and symptom of PF have so far disappeared. I'm not running this way all the time (say 20-50%) but feel that the time when I'm not in orthodox running shoes is giving my feet a workout which seems to help. I never seem to be able to stick to the routines recommended for any injury, so this works well for me!
good fact sheet dave, thanks, mines settling with similar stretches and sorbothane insoles
Really interested in the barefoot running idea. I am now on my third set of orthotics and have reached the lofty heights of being able to do the shopping without finding the walk down the aisles too far. However, last night I devised a unique treatment plan ... I have joined an expensive leisure club with a jucuzzi where I can lie with my foot being massaged by a jet of bubbly hot water. Won't improve my foot but it will definitely make me feel more cheery about it!
After a few 30 min runs I did 58 mins today .Ran around the Loftus Poultry race course to cheer the runners on (at least i would of done but the race was canceled!).
Starting to feel a little more confident now,More or less a year out ,but every cloud has a silver lining,the hall stairs and landing are re decorated and loads of other jobs around the house are done.