Thanks to Brett for creating this forum.
Who's on it? And can anyone get access or is it just race organisers?
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Thanks to Brett for creating this forum.
Who's on it? And can anyone get access or is it just race organisers?
It's an open forumthere must be a wealth of experience out there :)
This is super Brett. Thank you. :-)
Hi,
I'm racking my brain but cannot find the source of a post saying giving alcohol as a prize for a race which required money to enter is a form of sales and as it is alcohol would require a liquor licence.
Any other ROs out there thinking trading standards may call one day?
Not trying to be a kill joy but wanted my memory back or at least reassurance.
Cheers guys,
Jim.
Some rules, if indeed this is a rule, should just be quietly ignored.
That's a lot of us in trouble then :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Jim
This is what I found but it's a New Zealand law- The Sale and Supply of Alcohol Act 2012: "Providing free wine as a competition prize or as part of a loyalty programme is now illegal".
https://winejobsonline.com/news?pa=d...ontent_id=3554
Food for thought though.
Cheers,
Jim.
Normally the law requires a degree of "what is reasonable" interpretation. I suspect if you gave everyone a bottle of wine for doing a half-mile race, there might be questions asked.
Ah but if you've paid a race fee then the wine is not free?
New question if I may - how is 'climb' actually calculated for a race? Is it as simple as adding up the low points to the high points throughout the course, ignoring the downhills? Or is there some cunning formula? I ask because I have been using Strava to try and work it out, based on races I have done many times, and can't get all that close. Now this may be that these races have been recording the 'climb' for years and years, and now modern technology allows us to measure more accurately...but I'm not so sure on that as actual distances are pretty much bang on. What am I missing? I ask because I am looking at some potential Junior Races, I have some nice courses but want to make sure I'm recording accurately from the start. Thanks.
Hi Jeff,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreaded Jeff
Like most ROs I'm sure, in the old days I used to either count contours, or just take the top height of a climb and subtract the bottom, then add them all up.
For a more recently created race (Castle Carr) I used mapping software (Tracklogs) and got it to tell me the climb, and went round with a GPS to confirm.
But for the existing races, the climb will just stay set as what it always was. Perhaps some ROs will remeasure digitally, but I wouldn't have thought many would.
Regarding distance being more accurate - its a lot easier to measure distance on a map than count contours, so I guess that might be the reason?
So all pretty much what you surmised. There's no cunning formula!
Thanks Bill,
Appreciate the advice - I'm looking at hosting some Junior races, so wanted to make sure I was getting it right from the start.
Thanks again,
Jeff
and I don't think you need to be as accurate as a surveyor might be. I think if you have a race borderline between categories, then maybe you be more careful, but for a short junior race, no one will harass you for being 10% out on ascent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreaded Jeff
Be careful of strava for calculating climb.
Position is used to calculate height, so position error and variation can translate to height error, and particularly on traverse paths that can add up to a lot of error height and illusory climb.
It is not so bad on straight up and down.
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Originally Posted by Dreaded Jeff
Wife and I did a lot of walking and running in June and it was very interesting to compare distance / climb recorded on Strava. Her distance was consistently shorter than mine; climb actually quite similar
Not being a RO of a FRA registered race I was wondering whether or not, other than listing races in the FRA calendar and posting the results, they had any obligation as to where any updates or further information was posted.
I have noticed that over the last few years a lot of important information has been put on Facebook rather than on this Fellrunner Forum. This has included changes in race times, parking information and even route changes.
A regular example is turning up for a race to find that it was full or entry changed from EOD to pre entry only and when questions are asked to be told "it was on Facebook"!
With many FRA members not being on FB and others, like myself, having left I think that whilst FB can still be used to update information it should be posted on this forum in the first instance.
As for results there is always a clamour to have them instantly and often photographs of results boards appear on FB within minutes of a race finishing often posted by a third party.
Again I think the official results should appear here first, at the convenience of the RO.
I know that RO's have a thousand and one things to worry about and would not want to burden them with any more but I think it is important that this Forum should be the first port of call for information and, with racing about to restart, now could be a good time to ensure that it is.
Obviously, if a race has its own official website, then all information would also be found there.
I agree totally and have commented similarly on other threads.
On that note, Calver will not be taking place this year as per http://www.calverpeak.co.uk/index.shtml. I can't promise its not on also on FB but not put there by me. A quick google shows historical results on FB and race details on twitter, perhaps we should copyright this information, would that help in any way?
ROs do normally upload their results to the official FRA website at https://fellrunner.org.uk/results.php . But I do agree that announcements about changes to arrangements should be made on this forum as well as anywhere else that the RO thinks appropriate.
I totally agree with the principle... this forum is linked to the FRA website (and the Fell Runners UK facebook page goes to some lengths to point out that it is not linked to the FRA - there is a separate Fell Runners Association facebook page for more formal announcements).
But the simple fact is the facebook page reaches a lot more people, and people are far more likely to post things on there... not saying that its right, but that's just how it is now, and only an increase in posts/members on here will see that change... no RO has any obligation to post info on here (nor on facebook for that matter)
I have to say the fellrunners UK facebook page has plunged to some new depths recently... "what shoe?" posts are at least daily now, and last weeks highlights included a heated discussion on "what colour tent?"... i had unfollowed it after getting fed up, but with race announcements/updates being quite regular at the moment, i'm just having to put up with it for now...!
I completely agree - tents should always be yellow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travs
I think you need to cut the FRA a little slack here folks.
The RO is responsible for the race and disseminating information before and after.
The RO applies for the permit and as part of that the FRA "promotes" the event via an entry in the handbook and online calendar.
It then falls on the RO to keep us all informed and I tend to use all forums available.
The FRA also offers online results - but even there it is only if the RO sends them through.
I was not having a go at the FRA and apologies if my post came over that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Witton Park
With regards to Travs post, and he will know this, as he is also a member of the WFRA.
They have a very active Facebook page and put a lot of stuff on it but state "please see our website for fuller information".
I have only just realised but their FB page lets me on without being a member of FB and without that annoying box popping up telling me to sign in all the time.:)
Whether this is the norm or not I do not know!