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No route map. loads of route choices. There's an old route description knocking around on the web that helps.
The main options are on the best way to Elidir Fawr (gully or summit routes - summit for me), the best descent off Glyder Fawr (red spots, glaciated slab or earlier - earlier for me), and the best way up Snowdon from the Bwlch (watkins or east ridge - east ridge for me).
Brilliant race, did 3:38 last year, but if it's a hot day I'll be happy sub 4.
Cheers,
Been busy studying my map the last few days know most of the route should be fun, just hope its not to hot. This will be the longest fell race I've done looking about 5 1/2 hrs for me.(If I get round ??)
It's bloody hard. I think Jura is the only race I've done that I've found harder. The 1000m peaks is longer but I find it easier than this. With the Peris I always have Cynghorion sat in my mind, it's never over, even when you get up that there's a killer descent which is very hard going after 15 milers. Great race.
Half Peris for me tomorrow, haven't the legs for the main race. How do people get back to Llanberis from the finish, Sherpa bus?
Sounds like Lloyd had a cracking run, and John Hunt too. Dark Peak travelling in strength again?
Full results out soon?
Hey, IanR did you enjoy that? Must have been a great day? Did the good lady run?
various pics are up
www.teamdolly.co.uk
Cracking day on Lliwedd , sunny for a change !
Pete
Yeah cracking day. Lloyd did 3:20 and seemed comfortable, said he wasn't descending well, but still some time. John Hunt did 3:33:24 and I did 3:33:39, I was right behind John until 200 yards to go and fell over, but to be fair he seemed stronger than me so didn't fancy myself to overtake him in a sprint.Quote:
Originally Posted by grimmer
Sarah dropped out at PyP, she didn't feel good at all. Noel had a stormer, 3:57, finally broke his 4 hr target.
Jackie had a very strong run 3:49 I think.
Cracking day for it, a bit warm in places, but otherwise about spot on. Just about to guide a group up Snowdon and the legs feel a bit sore!
Some great runs in what looked like hot conditions.
Good to see the Eryri youth development initiative is working :D .Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
it's quite a few weeks away but just wondered what people think of this race? I don't think I'm up for the full horseshoe, but would love to give the half a crack.
Is it a good 'un?
It's a good 'un alright. I did this last year, fantastic race, great views. I'm hoping to do the full race this year. The route wasn't marked up through the quarries, I managed to tag behind an Eryri runner. It can be a bit confusing. The descent from Glyder Fawr down to Pen y Pass definitely needs a recce.
Remember to take a couple of quid for the bus back from Pen y Pass.
Nice race, very straight forwards until Llyn Y Cwn, there's a few options on the ascent from there but the descent is crucial, get it wrong and you'll lose 5-10 minutes.
The real Peris is the full Peris though, I reckon that race starts at PyP.
The quarries are pretty straight forwards, more will do it this year, the top from the access road to Elidir Fawr is tricky, some favour the gully, I do the PBR route over Elidir Fach, because I know it so well. Not sure there is much in it. Most locals take the gully route though.
Does that mean I can get the bus up to PyP and just run from there?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Good tactic..:-)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeoffB
I've always been told that you should aim to get to PyP and feel fresh and ready to go for it. I always get in t pyp battered. There's a good few hills to go.
That sounds a bit like Dave Tait's race notes for Ennerdale - "Don't be knackered by Pillar" - but I always am.Quote:
Originally Posted by IainR
Anyway, looking forward to this - my first time this year.
Clashes with the Ben race this year so a no goer, first time I'll have missed this since I've been back in the UK.
I love the Peris, deffo worth a recce of the descent to PyP if you get the chance, I think the 2006 race notes were wrong about the best line. You need to leave the ridge earlier.
I have completed the Peris on three occasions and have marshalled on the event on numerous occasions aswell and there are very few races held in Wales as challenging as this one.
The 1000m may be slightly longer but that race is just a hard slog whilst the Peris especially after Pen Y pass is energy sapping to say the least.
On such a challenging event the weather always plays a part but when you consider you visit three of the 3000ft summits which incudies Snowdon the weather conditions really set this one out as a hard event.
The entrants for the 1000m is compiled of many novices who think they are fit enough to complete the course often reaching Pen Y Pass too tired or beyond the cut off time.
There are very few novices taking part in the Peris either because it is not as famous as the 1000s and therefore doesnot recieve as many entries and those who enter realise how hard the race is and treat it with the respect it deserves.
Look at last years fiasco with the rescue service having to go to the aid of several poorly equipped and out of their depth entrants in the middle of the Carneddau.
Granted the weather was horrendous but the seasoned entrants who knew what to expect actually finished the race.
I have completed both races but my first Peris left me so tired that it was a struggle to operate the clutch pedal on my drive home to nearby Llandudno.
The Peris is a classy race that every serious fellrunner should try just once.
I quite agree. I think of it as a shorter version of the Wasdale Horseshoe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llandudnoboy
Yiannis
While I found Wasdale harder, I think Peris is one of the most serious routes on the calendar - that I've done, it just gets harder and harder but the Lliwedd > Snowdon section contains some of the most serious sections of running I've ever crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ydt
I many ways I found it more similar to the Great Lakes Run.
The thing with the Peris is once you get to PyP, then it begins, steep ups, steep downs; its also navigationally tricky getting off Glyder Fawr.
I did the half Peris last year . That was hard enough ! I'm hoping to have a good few months running and build up to the full Peris this year . It will be the longest hardest race I'll have done .
the best advice I was given was get to PyP then think the starts. Don't hammer the descents until Lliwedd, almost treat it as a training run until PYP, then go for it. If you blow up on the Peris you'll lose time like in no other race because it's such a technical steep second half.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightingale
Mentally you also get a lift from passing people lay on the ground cramping up or walking and stopping on walking climbing the east ridge of snowdon.
Thanks IainR . I know it's months away , but , I've been looking forward to it since doing the half peris last year . I love that part of the world .
How bigger step up is the Peris Horseshoe, compared to something like the Edale Skyline?
If I found the Skyline hard and completed it in about 4h 30 mins, any idea how much I might struggle with 8,500 ft of ascent?
Big step up in terms of size of the undertaking and seriousness of the terrain.
If the weather is bad there aren't too many more serious bits of running than Lliweedd > Snowdon, on the calendar. Cracking race.
Done both the last few years, Peris has taken me about an hour longer than Edale each year. They are different types of tough course if that makes sense, you walk (slog) more of the Peris while legs become knackered at Edale through trying to run much more of the distance as the gradient is less but the second half bogs sap the strength. Both great races, if you enjoyed Edale then build up a bit in terms of time on your feet on steep hills over the summer and you'll have a good day out at Peris - definately one to tick off.
A proper step up. There are few tougher fell races in the calendar (according to people who know about these sorts of things - Jura and the like)Quote:
Originally Posted by A-B
Peris is proper mountains, skyline is part trail race with a good long bog trot to finish once the legs are sapped. At Peris the angles are all greater, the ups are more up the downs are more down, and the ground is mostly a lot rougher/rockier/grassier.
At 4500ft for Edale, a half Peris would be more similar - run on the same day and about half an hour earlier depart. So for a full peris think a similar distance to Edale only twice the climbing on rougher ground and you'll be on the right track.
Agree with Eddie, about an hour difference in time taken, given no route faff.
Are Both A Longs? - Chalk and cheese.
havent done Edale but done the peris a few times.
it not a race you take on lightly and your right to ask the question.although all the ascents are steep (6 in all) and rocky(except cynghorion) it is still quite a runnable route,mostly on well defined tracks,navigation is straight forward in good weather,in bad weather the sections that require some caution are between llyn y cwn and glyder fawr.stick to the ridge line on lliwedd and to the path from glyder fawr to pen y pass if your not confident of the route.
other wise it deffo a must do well worth an attempt in good weather
winning times are usually 3:20-30
I found the half peris hard enough last year. I'm going to try to build up to the full route this year. I think navigation skills and or local knowledge a must as the weather over there can be pretty tough and they don't get the numbers so it can be hard to follow a local.
I've said it before and some people are probably bored with me saying it so it can't hurt to say it again... :p There should be a category beyond A for things like Peris. The difference between the milder A races and those at the more extreme end is too great.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountain bag
How about an A+ or X category (criteria up for debate)?? Peris would surely qualify.
Or maybe as Tour de France - HC (Hors Categorie?)
It is a bit subjective and as many have said can depend upon conditions on the day. This last year we were very lucky with ideal weather IMO (there is a previous thread with some photos which I took on the way round). I would have struggled with nav' as a Peris 'virgin' in poor visibility (don't mention Wadsworth Trog:()
In the event I had good 'follows' and/or good visibility for most of the race. I posted about 4 and a quarter hours after doing ES earlier in the year in about 3 and three quarters.
One of my all time favourite races.:)
I'm contemplating doing this - can anyone give me some route details for this and the half? Is it entry on standard FRA form or a sepecific one on Eryi website - can't find much about it
How tough is the full and how tough is the half - never run in North Wales so would all be new experience
Tough? Very tough. Serious terrain too, few races go through such serious terrain. Great races.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
The half is around half that, hence the name :-), but it's less serious than the full which contains a few miles from Lliwedd to Snowdon which is very serious terrain. If you get your nav wrong you could get in some really nasty spots, but its all pretty straight forwards because its all so steep and obvious contours.
Hardest nav section is GF > PyP, worth recceing.
As a first welsh race it's a big step.
Thanks do you have a route description/map for the half - just looked at the times for the full!!
Thread from last year with some info:Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
http://forum.fellrunner.org.uk/showt...hoe-entry-form
Both races are fairly arduous and potentially could be very hard in poor visibility and adverse weather. Last years winner of the Full Peris was Pete Vale in about 3 and a half hours. First lady (Andrea R) from Eryri was just ahead of me in 12th overall in about 4:10. Conditions were near ideal.
Half is llanberis, up track towards quarry hospital, off early on and up the inclines then carry on these all the way to main quarry by way, left at the byway, along the long shed, through the gate, follow the zig zag road to top of quarry then to elidir Fawr, then follow 3000ers route to Y Garn then to Glyder Fawr (summit on the right), then to Pen Y Pass (start down red pot path come off at some point and descend direct).Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
When is it this year? Also I have been looking for entry forms but cant find the link. Anyone know?
11th September. Normally it's EOD, never known it fill up, even when Brits. Wife runs Eryri website but as far as I know she's not been sent through a form.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corniceman
I have a route description that I was sent by a Pennine friend. If you want to PM me your email, I'll forward it when I get a mo'Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
I tried pre entering last year, shouldn't have bothered. EOD and suck up the extra pound entry. Though if you insist on trying to pre enter - there is a specific entry form but eryri did have issues about updating their official site and their blogspot site last year. I suspect Mike would be ok to receive general entry form, plus write down your experience and I believe its cheques payable to Eryri.
This is a proper fell race. I took about 5 hours on the full course last year, there are A-Longs and there are A-Longs, this is in the top handful of hard fell races in the UK. I found the nav ok/easy but I know the area well (I've walked all of the 6 hills multiple times and in some awful conditions) and got passed by a local coming down into the pass at the halfway mark - which saved me 5-10 mins. Follow the side of the rail track off Snowdon - otherwise its got huge tourist wipe-out potential - I annoyed more than a few bimbling tourists off Snowdon - I over took about 4 fell runners through that section to give an idea of my speed and the risks that I was taking.
Its a great race.
I find the lack of water on parts of the course to be one of the most difficult aspects of the full race. The whole section from PyP to Yr Wyddfa is very dry! Last time I ran the race I was out of water by Bwlch Ciliau.