Don't post this on facebook... you'll be sentenced to capital punishment without trial!!!
However i'll lend you my outside excursion which i didn't use today!
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My TPE was a 10 mile walk with the dogs from my doorstep. At least 9 miles was off road and during the walk I saw only 7 others, 5 of which were near neighbours of mine.
Also saw, amongst other birds, 4 Dippers and 2 Grey Wagtails.
Ha ha ha I'm lead to believe the opinions differ slightly on there Travs. Been told they hunt in packs.
Well it was a slightly contentious issue, and I was going against the majority view, so I got what I expected!
Welcome back. Never done bookface myself.
I happen to think the law matters more than Facebook opinions or actions of over zealous police, with seemingly too little to do.
They should be focusing on such as Peterborough where ethnic communities are ignoring the ban.
The statutory intstrument section 6 says only that exercise is a permitted reason to leave home.
It does not bar multiple times, limit on length , or driving to the start.
Indeed a cabinet office question on the last , did not rule it out.
It does not restrict location, good job it doesn’t because many living in lakes are carrying on regardless on the high fell.
It is a health bill, NOT a civil order bill and must be viewed in that context.
The goal is social distancing, and that is the yardstick by which police will be expected to justify court action.
So let’s obey the law! Not Facebook woke.
Most of the commenters have no idea that others personal situation so actions, eg can or can’t run from home- are not necessarily possible for others. There is far too much I’m alright jack, from those already living in national parks, moralising about what others less fortunate should or should not do.
Some of the actions, like closing footpaths by farmers, which has no justification in social distancing, and closing parks are ridiculous.
If rules change so must we.
Facebook fellrunner page usually inundated by what shoe/sock/backpack/etc.... now absolutely swamped by people asking what road shoe?!?
Can't people make a decision for themselves... I do despair that these people feel they are safe to go alone into the mountains when they can't make a decision regards what shoes to shove on their feet...
So since I came home yesterday I saw this on FB.
https://www.facebook.com/BlackburnDa...action_generic
I walked through a Witton car park on my way back home and around half a dozen cars were there, including a Dad with his approx. 8 year old daughter popping their bikes back in their car.
So they have completely closed access to the cemetery, which is adjacent to Witton and some public footpaths and they have closed the park car parks meaning that you must visit on foot.
It looks like this is a collaboration between police and local authority.
On what grounds?
This really is starting to get quite sinister as I've been in the park every day this week and I haven't once seen anyone appear to break the social distancing guidance.
Then this morning, I see that Stephen Kinnock MP visited his Dad yesterday to deliver some supplies, as part of his exercise. It's a short walk.
It also happened to be his Dad's 78th birthday.
So he sat away from the door and sang Happy Birthday to his Dad at a distance that looks around 3-4 metres and tweeted about it.
South Wales Police | #StayHomeSaveLives
@swpolice
Replying to
@SKinnock
and
@HelleThorning_S
Hello
@SKinnock
we know celebrating your Dad’s birthday is a lovely thing to do, however this is not essential travel. We all have our part to play in this, we urge you to comply with
@GOVUK
restrictions, they are in place to keep us all safe. Thank you. ^cy
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I think where we live is a result of a combination of life choices and circumstances, and life isn't necessarily fair. But if we have chosen to live somewhere where you might have to wait an hour for an ambulance, you need to drive or cycle if you want to go out to the cinema or for a meal and you can forget any chance of ordering a takeaway delivery.....the upside might be that it's much more proportionate and reasonable to go for a longer run. That's not to suggest we should ignore the guidance when it suits us or look for little loopholes to suit our personal preferences, just to suggest that the situation is different in different locations. And if someone in a crowded city can't go out as much or for as long as they would wish that's a real shame but not a reason for others in different circumstances not to.
We are truly seeing the authoritarian instincts of some people kicking in. As I said in an earlier post, some people are treating the rules as an end in themselves rather than looking at what they are there to achieve. Impossible to see what Stephen Kinnock did wrong, when as you say he was also delivering supplies to his parents and kept more than a safe distance.
We are also seeing that same collaboration between the police and local authority here. Leeds City Council have shut the car parks in all their parks. So we will see more crowded streets than there needs to be when people do their daily exercise.
Agree with this... I don't begrudge anyone who has access to the hills gong out running on them...
Although certain facebook 'friends' posting constant updates, most of them including the words "stay the f**k at home"... and then posting numerous pictures of themselves out in the hills, doesn't quite sit right.
In conclusion, facebook is crap, and if it wasn't for access to race info, photos, results, i'd bin it off tomorrow.
My comment was partly about
1/the clear capacity of resources in national parks to accommodate a transient population of at least five times present levels - it does each summer- and when people leave cities of 1000000 population square mile, with empty supermarkets, and go to places population 10000 a square mile, with at least some stuff in shops, then social distancing is increased, resources are averaged. But the locals brand them covidiots. Selfish is my view of those locals.
2/ there is a distancing benefit achieved by people driving a few tens of minutes to a deserted fell, yet some of the most vociferous opponents I see on the web are those living closer to the very same fells!
3/ farmers are using any excuse in such places to shut paths with no distancing benefit whatsoever. Lambing time is not a reason based in health.
4/ it is no more reasonable for a national park dweller to go for a long run than people elsewhere, the sole criterion is social distancing.
5/ the urging of others not to go on high fell because of mountain rescue , is used as a reason to deter those further away from the fells, but the same reason is ignored by locals!
And so on.
My opposition is not common sense measures,but the pure sophistry used in place of good reason by some of the locals. I have no opposition to all making the most of what they have!
Oracle you've pretty much said what I was trying to say in my last comment (but in more words!!)
9 and a bit miles, just under 3 hours, 1000ft walking with Mrs WP again.
The plan is now walk every day for 2-4 hours and get in to the surrounding hills where it is incredibly quiet.
If Mrs WP doesn't fancy any given day I'll have a run.
It will be a bit repetitive as I'm sticking to quieter routes either north/west or south/west but can overlap, do the opposite way around, and add in some slight tweaks here and there.
That's assuming they don't start closing down any more options than they have already this last 24 hours.
Overall, as long as we come through this period, I should be a little fitter and shouldn't carry any niggles.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-52095047
9 hours excessive for a triathlete.
Rest day, beans, eggs and brown sauce on toast, took the hound for a walk, showered and plucked the hairs out of my ears which was a more energetic task than it sounds.
You right Dale Town.
It's the posting it on public domain that makes them simple.
Meanwhile a man is being prosecuted by Cheshire police, in warrington for walking his dog in his own field because he was 5 minutes from home.
Lancashire police have the record for prosecuting motorists for unnecessary journeys. Over a hundred.
Sadly in ethnic communities in Peterborough, gatherings carry on.
Someone needs to challenge this on unlawful arrest.
Enjoy it whilst you can Witton, and whilst your luck holds out.
Just 3 miles for me across fields. I discovered suspicious trees down, parallel to each other, completely across the path and then some,. Suspiciously like trying to block a path.
Or a case of woof justice
Having thought about it some more I think there are three key points about the exercise issue:-
1. The 'letter of the law' - you are allowed out to exercise once a day. Straightforward enough.
2. The intention, or 'spirit' of the law - to reduce the spread of the virus. I can't see anybody disagreeing with that much either.
3. The implications on the NHS or other services if through our incompetence or simply misfortune we end up needing their assistance.
Bearing all that in mind, apart from the fact that to some degree at least, increased duration equals increased risk (albeit probably slight, provided we are careful, stay local (ie run from home) and make sensible decisions) nothing actually suggests that longer duration training is wrong, and it's certainly not illegal as far as I can see.
I don't just train for races. I train to be out in the hills, and if there were no fell races ever I would still want to run on the fells for the sake of that alone. For all of the above reasons I intend to carry on running on my local hills - I won't be driving anywhere to do it, and I won't be with my usual group of friends, but I will carry on within both the letter and spirit of the current legislation.
On the footpaths behind my house it is easy enough to adhere to the 2 metre rule. What is more problematic is touching gates, stiles, etc. They say wash your hands, but it is impossible to think my hands would not touch my face during the run, before I have a chance to wash them. I don't really understand that risk.
Rubber gloves are the solution Dr Pat.
Three issues.
Once a day is not “the letter of the law”. Read section 6
A criminal prosecution barrister on twitter has said clearly that the police will be thrown out of court when they pursue it, ( he’s the one they will ask to prosecute) and that if that is what government had wanted they could have said it in the instrument. They didn’t, so it’s not the law in letter or spirit. All the police are doing is over stretching over stretched courts.
That guidance has no legal standing.
Neither is a ban on driving to it. Ditto, and people who are able to run on hills from home are failing to consider the reality of others situations. To get to anything resembling a hill or even off road is a 5 minute drive for many that will reduce chance of infection over running on pavements with others.
Cheshire police have summonsed a man for going less than 5 minutes to his own field to exercise a dog!!! That’s not the letter of the law. That’s police making unnecessary journeys to summons!
I also notice you play the NHS card, whilst continuing to run on local hills, so potentially creating extra work for them, despite the fact the locals are using the load on mountain rescue as a reason for others not to come.
They can’t have it both ways.
I’m not questioning what you do. Good luck to you, take advantage! Only the rhetoric you use to justify it.
But as I said - obeying common sense measures and guidance is no issue to me. But that’s common sense that says no disease spread benefit is gained by stopping people driving a few minutes.
You can throw the gloves away but your hands are attached.
You still have to avoid touching your face whilst wearing your gloves and remove them before touching anything back at home. I suppose there may be some benefit to gloves but I prefer to take a bit more care and wash my hands thoroughly when I get home.
12 miles 4 hours, 1650ft
Loop through Tockholes to Cartridge & back with Mrs WP again. Not the intended route but a couple of rights of way blocked off almost certainly illegally.
Not worth getting in to a ding-dong with a remote resident in a ex farmhouse (which is what most of them are) but the consequences are concentrating people elsewhere.
Didn't see many, but probably half of those I did see were in a 5 minute section crossing the dam above Sunnyhurst Woods.
Had a little jog up the hill today and a ride yesterday and starting to get back into it, but I have yet to see anyone, I never do anyway but even less chance of meeting anyone now. I'ts lonely out here :(
Todays PDE was a 25 mile and 1,600 feet ride on the cross bike taking in 8 miles of the High Peak Trail. Very few people about but had a shouted chat, over a drystone wall, with a Metal Detectorist who was trying to find treasure in a newly ploughed field!
The 3 HPT car parks I passed through all had signs saying that they were closed, and no cars were present, but nothing to suggest that the trail was closed to people who could get there under their own steam be it legs,wheels or hooves.
I keep a bottle of disinfectant outside my backdoor and disinfect the gloves before removing them, I then disinfect my hands before handling anything else on my way to wash my hands, I also disinfect my footwear which I remove outside before disinfecting and removing my gloves.
Where possible I open/close gates etc using sticks or small rocks and if windy try not to get downwind of folk TBH I view anytime spent outside to be running the gauntlet however I don`t see many folk at 0430:cool:
Paranoid very probably
Stay safe all
8.5 miles, including a mixture of road, trail, fields and golf course. Very pleasant when off-road. Striving to keep the two metres from people on the road bits.
Saw my first instance of a blocked footpath on my walk today: on a well-used, if somewhat muddy, path on the edge of town. It isn't a Public Right of Way, so I suppose it's not illegal to block it. On the other hand, I was very tempted to remove the blockage (which wasn't particularly secure), simply because the perpetrator had written that the path was closed due to "Advice from Government", which is patently untrue.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...erent-surfaces
How many people are being contaminated via surfaces as opposed to airborne particles or direct contact with an infected person?
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Marcus: As far as we know right now, people are much more likely to be infected by close contact with an infected person than by touching a contaminated surface. That said, it’s still important to be conscious of what we’re touching, especially high-touch surfaces, and be careful about cleaning our hands after touching things. For example, public transit or grocery stores and places where there tend to be a lot of people.
Iwasaki: The virus is pretty stable on [materials] like plastic and steel – they can persist for a few days. So it’s very possible that someone who’s sick will deposit the virus on to the surface and then somebody else will touch it and touch their face.