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    Manchester City cannot ignore the fact that their defeat to Chelsea was played out in front of some empty seats and must be careful over expansion plans as a result.

    It might be hard to see the positives from City's 1-0 Premier League defeat to Chelsea, though there is one rather contrived upside.

    Had the Blues extended a remarkable run at the Etihad Stadium by underlining their title credentials with a thumping win over Jose Mourinho's men then their detractors would have looked for other weaknesses to probe.

    And on Monday evening there was one shortcoming off the pitch which was made patently obvious by the glare of the world's television cameras.

    Namely that the stadium was not full.

    To be clear, this is no attempt to dredge up the tired "Emptihad" routine, or an opportunity to question whether supporters have in fact turned up dressed as seats.

    But this is the elephant in the room that City fans must confront without a nudge from their neighbours if Sheikh Mansour's plans to build the biggest club in the world are to bear fruit.

    If the stadium is not full during a high-profile clash against the club's most credible title rivals then questions quite simply have to be asked.

    There were swathes of empty seats visible on television, and it's not hard to believe that some out of the gaze of the viewer might also have been.

    It makes talk of increasing the capacity to 60,000+ look like utter folly.

    What message would a half-vacant stadium send to potential City fans around the world? And how can an atmosphere be fostered if there are gaps between the fans attempting to generate it?

    City are one of the few clubs who are making steps to increase attendance through affordable ticket schemes such as offering three Champions League group games for a rather reasonable £99 this season.

    Yet their work is not complete if the visit of Chelsea cannot attract a 47,805 capacity crowd.

    And ensuring that fans turn out in numbers for games such as the FA Cup replay against Blackburn - where official attendance figures were given as a rather ambitious and convenient 35,000 - is another matter entirely.

    Of course, the Blues' attendances have been impressive for much of this season, with a Premier League average of 47,107 putting them fourth in the league behind only Newcastle, Arsenal and United.

    The clash with the Londoners brought the attendance figure up to 47,364, which indicates that things are certainly going in the right direction at the very least.

    It is also worth noting that United do not always fill their sizeable stadium for low-key cup games (though they won't have to worry about that for the rest of the season).

    However, expanding the Etihad must be done in line with bumper attendances so that the atmosphere is not killed in one fell swoop.

    If that is done by making tickets available for younger fans then we all win - but following other clubs in using massaged figures will not fool anyone when the gaps are so easily spotted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHeathens View Post
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    Manchester City cannot ignore the fact that their defeat to Chelsea was played out in front of some empty seats and must be careful over expansion plans as a result.

    It might be hard to see the positives from City's 1-0 Premier League defeat to Chelsea, though there is one rather contrived upside.

    Had the Blues extended a remarkable run at the Etihad Stadium by underlining their title credentials with a thumping win over Jose Mourinho's men then their detractors would have looked for other weaknesses to probe.

    And on Monday evening there was one shortcoming off the pitch which was made patently obvious by the glare of the world's television cameras.

    Namely that the stadium was not full.

    To be clear, this is no attempt to dredge up the tired "Emptihad" routine, or an opportunity to question whether supporters have in fact turned up dressed as seats.

    But this is the elephant in the room that City fans must confront without a nudge from their neighbours if Sheikh Mansour's plans to build the biggest club in the world are to bear fruit.

    If the stadium is not full during a high-profile clash against the club's most credible title rivals then questions quite simply have to be asked.

    There were swathes of empty seats visible on television, and it's not hard to believe that some out of the gaze of the viewer might also have been.

    It makes talk of increasing the capacity to 60,000+ look like utter folly.

    What message would a half-vacant stadium send to potential City fans around the world? And how can an atmosphere be fostered if there are gaps between the fans attempting to generate it?

    City are one of the few clubs who are making steps to increase attendance through affordable ticket schemes such as offering three Champions League group games for a rather reasonable £99 this season.

    Yet their work is not complete if the visit of Chelsea cannot attract a 47,805 capacity crowd.

    And ensuring that fans turn out in numbers for games such as the FA Cup replay against Blackburn - where official attendance figures were given as a rather ambitious and convenient 35,000 - is another matter entirely.

    Of course, the Blues' attendances have been impressive for much of this season, with a Premier League average of 47,107 putting them fourth in the league behind only Newcastle, Arsenal and United.

    The clash with the Londoners brought the attendance figure up to 47,364, which indicates that things are certainly going in the right direction at the very least.

    It is also worth noting that United do not always fill their sizeable stadium for low-key cup games (though they won't have to worry about that for the rest of the season).

    However, expanding the Etihad must be done in line with bumper attendances so that the atmosphere is not killed in one fell swoop.

    If that is done by making tickets available for younger fans then we all win - but following other clubs in using massaged figures will not fool anyone when the gaps are so easily spotted.


    The Chelsea game was sold out.

    Those empty seats were presumably season ticket holders who couldn't make the game (probably kids given that it was an evening midweek game).
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    hey stags, I remember scum begging in the streets with buckets, save our Leeds. Happy days
    Looks like it could be time to get the buckets out again boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danbert Nocurry View Post
    The Chelsea game was sold out.

    Those empty seats were presumably season ticket holders who couldn't make the game (probably kids given that it was an evening midweek game).

    Rubbish answer....

    At United it would be full... people make the effort... for a midweek big game like this or CL later stage game you would not see many if any empty seats...

    It's just for many of your new fans its a long way from Surrey for an evening game....

    But yes all clubs do report attendances as tickets sold, not turnstile counts..

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    Quote Originally Posted by IainR View Post
    Rubbish answer....

    At United it would be full... people make the effort... for a midweek big game like this or CL later stage game you would not see many if any empty seats...

    It's just for many of your new fans its a long way from Surrey for an evening game....

    But yes all clubs do report attendances as tickets sold, not turnstile counts..
    So not a rubbish answer then.

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    It is.. thousands don't turn up to big games.. 'because the kids need to be in bed'.. not many under 10's go to football, even then they'll be home little after 10-10:30...

    Look at Man U for a CL game, Madrid last year? Thousands of empty seats?

    60,000 seats... 47,000 attended... as it tickets sold.. so assuming not everyone turned up it was 3/4's full... a team a the top of the table, in great form... scoring loads of goals.. and still can't hit 50,000.. small team... :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IainR View Post
    60,000 seats... 47,000 attended... as it tickets sold.. so assuming not everyone turned up it was 3/4's full... a team a the top of the table, in great form... scoring loads of goals.. and still can't hit 50,000.. small team... :-)
    It was a football match Iain, not a pop concert!

    “The City of Manchester Stadium also known as the Etihad Stadium for sponsorship reasons, has a seating capacity of 47,805. Outside the football season the stadium hosts occasional concerts, and is one of the UK's largest music venues, having a maximum capacity of 60,000 for performances.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    It was a football match Iain, not a pop concert!

    “The City of Manchester Stadium also known as the Etihad Stadium for sponsorship reasons, has a seating capacity of 47,805. Outside the football season the stadium hosts occasional concerts, and is one of the UK's largest music venues, having a maximum capacity of 60,000 for performances.”
    Ahh OK.. I thought they'd have spent millions building the Etihad so it was comparable to Old Trafford.. not Hillsborough...

    Very very short sighted view and little faith in their ability to attract more fans...

    Still thousands didn't show.. if you see empty seats its a lot..

    This was for the 2011 season.. so they do have a history of struggling to fill it.. Strange for the supposedly dominantly supported club in a conurbation of 2.5 million + people...

    Manchester City – EuropeAhead of the first Europa League game, City were offering tickets to all three group stage games for a total of £50, working out at £17 a game. On the day of the Juventus game, they were selling tickets for £10 (£5 for under-16s). On the day of the Salzburg game, they were selling tickets for £5 (£1 for under-16s). On the day of the Aris Salonika, they were selling tickets for £17 (£5 for kids).
    vs Salzburg – 10,274 empty seats. 21% empty.
    vs Aris – 11,078 empty seats. 23% empty.
    vs Juventus – 12,614 empty seats. 26% empty.
    vs Timisoara – 24,282 empty seats. 51% empty.
    Average: 30.3% empty
    Manchester City – FA Cup
    Tickets for the 3rd round game vs Leicester and 4th round game vs Notts County cost £15 for adults and £5 for U-16.
    vs Leicester – 20,071 empty seats. 42% empty.
    vs Notts County – 20,550 empty seats. 43% empty.
    Average: 42.5% empty
    Manchester City – Premiership
    vs Arsenal – 433 empty seats. 0.9% empty.
    vs Blackpool – 530 empty seats. 1% empty.
    vs United – 616 empty seats. 1% empty.
    vs Chelsea – 623 empty seats. 1% empty.
    vs Liverpool – 739 empty seats. 2% empty.
    vs Bolton – 966 empty seats. 2% empty.
    vs West Brom – 980 empty seats. 2% empty.
    vs Villa – 1,110 empty seats. 2% empty.
    vs Wolves – 1,154 empty seats. 2% empty.
    vs Newcastle – 1,759 empty seats. 4% empty.
    vs Everton – 2,798 empty seats. 6% empty.
    vs Birmingham – 3,505 empty seats. 7% empty.
    vs Blackburn – 3,580 empty seats. 7% empty.
    Average: 3% empty
    Total average: 12.8% empty

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    Quote Originally Posted by IainR View Post
    Ahh OK.. I thought they'd have spent millions building the Etihad so it was comparable to Old Trafford.. not Hillsborough...
    Is that the same as, "Sorry, I got it wrong"?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Is that the same as, "Sorry, I got it wrong"?!
    Almost... :-)

    I was surprised.. it looks bigger... must be full of the typical City hot air....

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