Depression

[stevefoster]

Sorry to hear about your breakdown MG, hope your on the mend, everyone has their problems and i think it's very brave, and the right thing to do, to air them rather than bottle them up. Gives your friends a chance to rally round and do a little bit to help. Knowing your not alone and people do care about you is help, i think.
Keep active and keep in touch with friends, and keep smiling even when things get you down, there's always someone worse off than you, tell myself that a lot, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but when it does, job's a good un.

Best Wishes to all, and keep fighting them inner demons

[Nathaniel Lee]

I wish people would cease and desist from arguing on this thread. This thread is for the benefit of one of our own and anyone else who cares to read it. If you have an issue PM it as your behaviour is counter productive. We want to help our peer the best we can. I am really, really giving stagger and MG my best wishes and to say to you don't be embarrassed talk it will help it takes time but you will come out the other side. You both and anyone else have people on here who would be glad to help in anyway be it talk or e mail or go for a run. Look forward be positive as i have had my Bipolar 30 years and have come close to falling into the abyss and never coming back many times but i am still here by taking it day by day. Best wishes Matt.

[CL]

[QUOTE=egor;337452]

I just want to mention something. In the past few years a number of athletes I know have developed hypothyroidism. In each case they had depression, and the odd thing was none of them had anything to be depressed about. No problems with the spouse, money issues, or job fears. All struggled to train due to a lack of energy, and all felt a big dark cloud over their conciousness.

In one case the doctor was going to put the person on anti-depressants, wtihout even checking thyroid function. The patient knowing someone else in the family had hypothyroidism, had to suggest to the doctor that it might be thyroid related. Being an athlete the doctor just said "you don't look like you've got that."

Theres always a reason why someones depressed, ill etc, their usually (but not always) not aware of it though, you cant say 'they' had no reason to be depressed etc, you will not have been familiar with the more intimate contents of their mind, i dont advise meds, unless in the most serious of circumstances, risk to self/others/psychotic etc, psychotherapy is what i mainly recommend, as thats what i do, i feel youre slightly missrepresenting me with your last comment.

Egor I don't need to know the intimate content of the mind. If a person is hypothyroid their brain starts to shut down, because the chemical balance changes.

I agree with you in one respect, there is always a cause to depression(including wrong choices), but in the context of my argument I was pointing out a situation where volitional aspects weren't appropriate.

[CL]

[QUOTE=eavesy187;337461]

Thats all well and good but what do people do whilst being on the waiting list for such therapy? Suffer?
Maybe our views are different as the people I work with are at risk.

You've quoted the wrong person here.

[CL]

Christopher I actually do wonder sometimes. I dont want to Hijack the thread but your attitude towards Egor isnt on. He is a professional in his field and Im sure has helped many people.
How can you possibly make comment when you dont even know him ?.

Your comment above. Whereby the athletes had an odd thing , IE nothing to depressed about.
If you knew anything about depression as I do( I am not an expert, THERE ARE NONE ) Having everything is very common in people who suffer from depression.
Im sure Egor comes across this a lot in his job.
There are many people, thousands who do well on drugs such as citalopram etc. The way you have generalised the way a doctor hands them out is totally not how a GP goes about prescribing them.
Drugs are prescribed for specific conditions. Certainly not if the cat has died. Get real

Look Daz-H, if Egor really knew his stuff, he wouldn't dismiss the thyroid argument. Since he has, he's denying it as a legitimate cause of depression.

I've said on here before that some people deserve to be depressed, for all the wrong choices they make. Choices they knew were wrong when they made them. Others feel down for things they have no control over. BUT, giving pills out to people so they never have to deal with personal grief just proves what a bunch of wimps we are.

The truth is, life is about ups and downs. You're not supposed to feel good all the time. In fact the dishing out of these happy pills, is the surest way of preventing people from facing their problems, because it produces a sense of achievment in people who haven't earned it.

[The devil's own]

eavesy, i work for the NHS in specialist psychotherapy services, we see people that no one else wants to or can, flopsy is right this is all getting out of hand and lossing its focus, its far to a complex issue to debate in a forum such as this, i hope stagger is able to find the help he needs, which in my opinion is someone to talk to, in do the job i do as i know it works from personal experience.

Egor you have to accept that it doesn't work for everyone, and isn't even relevant to some.
As for it being sad that this has turned into an argument I agree, it really is. One that simply wouldn't have happened if numerous forumites advice (including those that suffer/have suffered from depression and those that treat depression) hadn't been dismissed as "nonsense" - its pretty simple really.
Egor I also think you were missing my point when I said I probably work with people more acute than you. I was getting at why in my working world medication is sometimes required as you said in serious cases when risk is involved. Where I work risk is always involved. Yes you work in difficult cases, and in most cases do a percentage of a holistic approach - ie the services user will still have a CMHT etc. I work for the team that pyschotherapists, and everyone else refer to when they can't manage the risk anymore - when an hour a week will no longer do -when there is serious and imminent risk to self or other, when the refer believes acute hospital admission is required etc etc - though this is just further arguing so I won't go on.
I would add that I have discussed your advice of a TFT, medication etc being nonsense and that therapy is the only answer with a Consultant Psychiatrist and they were pretty astounded that you could come to this conclusion - especially when you known none of the details of Staggers situation. Maybe I shouldn't have been so outspoken in relation to your posts, however I felt a moral and professional obligation to do so - and judging by a P.M I've received I ain't the only one who seriously questions your judgement and advice.

Stagger I am really sorry your thread has turned in to this - I truely believe (based on experience) that some of the things I outlined in my original post will be of benefit to you. What you really need to do is speak with the team or person that is treating you, and see what your options are. Consider everything available to you and dismiss nothing until you have tried it.

[CL]

What's happened to the Goatess' post? I was going to ask Ms Goatess whether the doctor's who are treating her, tested her thyroid function.

[Mountain Goatess]

[QUOTE=christopher leigh]I've said on here before that some people DESERVE TO BE DEPRESSED, for all the wrong choices they make. Choices they knew were wrong when they made them. Others feel down for things they have no control over. BUT, giving pills out to people so they never have to deal with personal grief just proves what a bunch of WIMPS we are.

The truth is, life is about ups and downs. You're not supposed to feel good all the time. In fact the dishing out of these happy pills, is the surest way of preventing people from facing their problems, because it produces a sense of achievment in PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T EARNED IT. [QUOTE]

Well tell me why? Don't just make rash emotional statements without giving REASONS!

I am sorry I made the mistake of coming into this thread. I thought it may have some positive and informative comments, not ones that would fill me with doubt and worry about myself and my treatment. I need to be strong to try and get through this successfully and get back to work and my old self. I am not looking for an 'easy' way out CL and I am certainly not a 'wimp'!
I just don't know how you can make the comments you did (ABOVE IN BLOCK CAPITAL) when you know nothing of individual personality, circumstance or situations.
(With reference to the hypothyroidism, I do agree that could cause some depressive symptoms. I would have thought the doctors would rule that out before prescribing treatment. I certainly had tests done to rule out other things.)

[Mountain Goatess]

What's happened to the Goatess' post? I was going to ask Ms Goatess whether the doctor's who are treating her, tested her thyroid function.

I have deleted my post Chris. Being on this thread is doing me no favours.
I do hope that you and others will respect Stagger by not arguing and post the well wishes and positive comments he needs right now.

[CL]

I am sorry I made the mistake of coming into this thread. I thought it may have some positive and informative comments, not ones that would fill me with doubt and worry about myself and my treatment. I need to be strong to try and get through this successfully and get back to work and my old self. I am not looking for an 'easy' way out CL and I am certainly not a 'wimp'!
I just don't know how you can make the comments you did when you know nothing of individual personality, circumstance or situations.
(With reference to the hypothyroidism, I do agree that could cause some depressive symptoms. I would have thought the doctors would rule that out before prescribing treatment. I certainly had tests done to rule out other things.)

My comments so far have included all causes of depression.

I like the fact that there is conflict on this thread. A good debate often gets to the root of a problem, by challenging ideas. This 'judge not, that ye not be judged' attitude is the cause of a lot depression, because it creates the destruction of courage.

Often, courage is all a person needs to witness in others, to motivate them to action. It's the same for some people with depression.

Last point: You said you had tests to rule out other things, but didn't state whether that included thyroid. Perhaps you don't know. I suggest you find out.