Originally Posted by
arcman100
Firstly, thanks for the constructive replies on this debate. Although some feel that my tone is too prescriptive and offensive, it was not my intention to upset anyone and I apologise for that, Stef F, ydt and paulo in particular. I did not intend to question anyone’s integrity in particular, only to use the attempt as an example of how I think BGs should not be organised to ensure the safety of all on the fell. The urgent request for help set up 2 weeks prior to the attempt generated responses from many strangers (be them potential new friends!!) and this made me feel really uncomfortable. As I understand it, there were mitigating circumstances behind the urgency of a quick re-attempt, but I still feel that as a result of the swiftness of organisation, perhaps safety concerns were put behind BG success. I only mentioned my credentials as a way of demonstrating my experience to post comment, not as a way to seek back-handed jibes as a perceived know-it-all. At the same time, please leave Rick out of it!!
As for timing, like others have said, I have felt that this issue has needed to be raised for quite some time, and following the events of the weekend, I decided to go for it. I think the recentness of the incident and the timing of the post is a good thing. The event is fresh in people’s mind, right in the middle of BG season, right at a time when a lot of aspirant BGers will probably be reading the BG part of the forum for tips and advice etc. I only want to invoke more thought and encourage debate on my general points around safety, i.e. the downfalls of having large groups (often virtual strangers) go out on the fells on an attempt and the merits of all people involved on the fell in an attempt to be competent navigators.
IanDarkpeak and Mr1470 also raise valid points regards clothing and equipment carried and I totally agree. It’s another good example of the required preparedness on a BG to minimise the potential of accident. Of course, accidents happen know matter how prepared we are but like Mr1470 says, with increasing BG popularity, perhaps more guidance is required.
I hope the debate can continue in a constructive manner and, once again, I apologise for an offense caused.