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    Hokas

    Always risky, mentioning the H word on the Forum. :wink:

    I am contemplating entering and training for an event in 2013 which will have me on my feet for the best part of up to a week on Alpine trail type terrain.

    It looks like a few people are using Hokas here now, and I'm interested to get some feedback on whatever models people are using.

    Aside of the fact that the greatest 100 mile racer on the planet (Karl Meltzer with 33 victories) uses them regularly (even running this year's Hardrock 100 in a pair) and that Dave Mackey, another Top 10 US ultra-runner also runs very fast in them, I spotted the odd pair whilst watching the Lakeland 100 this year.

    Meltzer also used them in his 2,064 mile 40 day trip along the Pony Express Trail in 2010.

    Regular users report increased recovery time and reduced lower leg damage as particular benefits.

    Anyone have any experience they are prepared to share?

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    Re: Hokas

    Morgan, thanks for starting this thread. I was thinking of doing something similar but couldn't bring myself to do it!
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    Re: Hokas

    What are Hoka's? Do you mean there are other shoes to run in out there than Inov8 and Walsh? :w00t::w00t::w00t:
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    Re: Hokas

    Morgan

    I bought a pair of Hoka Mafates earlier this year, mainly as an experiment having read so much about them via Meltzer etc.

    Couple of training runs of 7-8 miles went well, then I put them through their paces in a 27 mile trail race in the Peak District after about a week of owning them. I absolutely sailed round the course in fairly wet and muddy conditions. Leg fatigue was massively reduced, absolutely no cramp whatsoever, the whole thing was a breeze. I ran hard and at a consistent pace throughout on a tough course. Although they look weird they feel no different to a more conventionally built shoe, apart from when descending when they really come into their own. I don't think I've ever run downhill on trails as quickly and with as much comfort and confidence as I did that day. Despite the huge wedge underfoot, they are actually a fairly 'minimal' shoe in terms of heel toe drop, which I think is about 4mm. Also, the wedge of foam is deceptive, it is not all underfoot, rather the foot is cradled within it so it is not quite like 'running in platforms' as it appears to be. They are not noticeably heavier than the more conventional shoes I own.

    I have never enjoyed a race more than that day. And I don't think I've ever run better or harder. Afterwards, my legs felt absolutely fantastic. I would have gone out and done another run the very next day were it not for the one massive drawback of the Hoka range (you just knew there would be a 'but' coming...).

    The toebox is ridiculous. It tapers off to almost a point! When I took the shoes off I had blisters on blisters, bloodied and bruised toes. I had felt them nipping at about 20 miles, but didn't think it was too bad. I was wrong! This wasn't a sizing issue either, I was very careful when buying. Once the adrenaline had settled down it was fairly painful, and I couldn't run again for a few days.

    All in all, a frustrating shoe. So much zip and comfort, and the reduced stress on the legs is VERY noticeable. But no good for anybody with anything but the narrowest of feet in my opinion, if you are looking at doing some big mileage in them. I ended up sending mine to Oxfam, as most of my racing these days is 15 miles plus and I don't think my toes would take it!!

    Give them a good going over in the shop first.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Hokas

    Quote Originally Posted by simgreen78 View Post
    Morgan

    I bought a pair of Hoka Mafates earlier this year, mainly as an experiment having read so much about them via Meltzer etc.

    Couple of training runs of 7-8 miles went well, then I put them through their paces in a 27 mile trail race in the Peak District after about a week of owning them. I absolutely sailed round the course in fairly wet and muddy conditions. Leg fatigue was massively reduced, absolutely no cramp whatsoever, the whole thing was a breeze. I ran hard and at a consistent pace throughout on a tough course. Although they look weird they feel no different to a more conventionally built shoe, apart from when descending when they really come into their own. I don't think I've ever run downhill on trails as quickly and with as much comfort and confidence as I did that day. Despite the huge wedge underfoot, they are actually a fairly 'minimal' shoe in terms of heel toe drop, which I think is about 4mm. Also, the wedge of foam is deceptive, it is not all underfoot, rather the foot is cradled within it so it is not quite like 'running in platforms' as it appears to be. They are not noticeably heavier than the more conventional shoes I own.

    I have never enjoyed a race more than that day. And I don't think I've ever run better or harder. Afterwards, my legs felt absolutely fantastic. I would have gone out and done another run the very next day were it not for the one massive drawback of the Hoka range (you just knew there would be a 'but' coming...).

    The toebox is ridiculous. It tapers off to almost a point! When I took the shoes off I had blisters on blisters, bloodied and bruised toes. I had felt them nipping at about 20 miles, but didn't think it was too bad. I was wrong! This wasn't a sizing issue either, I was very careful when buying. Once the adrenaline had settled down it was fairly painful, and I couldn't run again for a few days.

    All in all, a frustrating shoe. So much zip and comfort, and the reduced stress on the legs is VERY noticeable. But no good for anybody with anything but the narrowest of feet in my opinion, if you are looking at doing some big mileage in them. I ended up sending mine to Oxfam, as most of my racing these days is 15 miles plus and I don't think my toes would take it!!

    Give them a good going over in the shop first.

    Hope this helps.

    Simon
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    Very helpful.

    Having switched out of Salomons because of the narrow toe boxes and into Cascadias, this could be problematic.

    Having said that, I think I have narrowish feet and much of the journey I am contemplating will be jogging downhill at best I suspect.

    I hope there is more information out there.

    Thanks.

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    Re: Hokas

    Found a RW thread here with some feedback:

    http://www.runnersworld.com/communit...s/hoka-one-one

    And the iRunFar review of the Bondi Bs with plenty of comments:

    http://www.irunfar.com/2012/07/hoka-...-b-review.html

    I think there is a Bondi B 2 on the way.
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    Re: Hokas

    Quote Originally Posted by Derby Tup View Post
    Morgan, thanks for starting this thread. I was thinking of doing something similar but couldn't bring myself to do it!
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    Re: Hokas

    Quote Originally Posted by Derby Tup View Post
    Morgan, thanks for starting this thread. I was thinking of doing something similar but couldn't bring myself to do it!
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    I have Mafate 3s

    On the right terrain they're fantastic.

    On the wrong terrain they're flipping awful. Easy to avoid tho!
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    thanks for replies probably will go for the mafate not convinced they are the right shoe for the hardmoor 55 tho but what is ?

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