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    Permits and Insurance

    Hidden away on the Scottish Athletics website is a letter from Helen Jacobs, Director of Operations at UK:Athletics, regarding Permits and Insurance.

    This may have interesting reprecussions for all fell races that are not directly organised by individuals from Clubs affiliated to UK:Athletics.

    It may imply that races organised at local events e.g. country fairs, may not be eligible for UK:Athletics insurance cover.

    Quote Originally Posted by UK Athletics
    In summary therefore, affiliated bodies must continue to obtain permits for events as they currently do. These events will be insured by virtue of the affiliation of the body to a home country, territory or directly to UK Athletics.

    Non affiliated bodies may still apply for a permit, indeed I am sure you will agree we should be encouraging them so to do, but they will have to provide their own insurance cover for the event.
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    Trying hard not to get a bit cross here......surely one of the perceived advantages of a applying for a permit(presumably with accompanying fee) from a UKA organisation is to benefit from UKA sourced insurance. If UKA are not going to provide this then what is the point of the whole exercise. Do we really need their permission to run?


    Oh, and, why am I not terribly surprised

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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    This is very old news.

    If you look at the Jacobs letter, you'll see it's dated 2004.

    As has been well documented in another thread by Margaret Chippendale, this was when the new Government legislation came in which made it an offence for non-FSA organisations to flog insurance. Consequently, UKA insurance became a benefit of membership and, for example, all FRA race organisers had to join.

    I wrote a whole article on this in the Fellrunner but, as it probably wasn't as exciting as Graham's exposees of superstars, I suppose it never got read.

    The answer is race organisers either don't insure OR they buy your own insurance OR they join a club (FRA, WFRA, SHR or any UKA-affiliated AC) to get their insurance as a benefit of membership. It's been that way for three years now.

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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by XRunner View Post
    Hidden away on the Scottish Athletics website is a letter from Helen Jacobs, Director of Operations at UK:Athletics, regarding Permits and Insurance.

    This may have interesting reprecussions for all fell races that are not directly organised by individuals from Clubs affiliated to UK:Athletics.

    It may imply that races organised at local events e.g. country fairs, may not be eligible for UK:Athletics insurance cover.
    This is an old letter relating to the changes made by UKA in 2004. This is the reason that all organisers of fell races in England applying for UKA Permits through the FRA have to be members of the FRA. All the Permits are therefore issued to the FRA as the affiliated organisation for races organised by their members.

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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by Toffer View Post
    Trying hard not to get a bit cross here......surely one of the perceived advantages of a applying for a permit(presumably with accompanying fee) from a UKA organisation is to benefit from UKA sourced insurance. If UKA are not going to provide this then what is the point of the whole exercise. Do we really need their permission to run?

    Oh, and, why am I not terribly surprised
    The same FSA regulations will apply to SHR and WFRA permits.
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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    The same FSA regulations will apply to SHR and WFRA permits.
    I don't think the SHR issue permits and I'm quite sure they wouldn't want to.

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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by XRunner View Post
    The same FSA regulations will apply to SHR and WFRA permits.
    To the best of my knowledge neither SHR nor WFRA provide Permits. Permits are an invention of UKA and neither SHR nor WFRA are affiliated to UKA!

    However, both organisations are able to provide insurance for races organised by their members.

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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by MargC View Post
    Permits are an invention of UKA and neither SHR nor WFRA are affiliated to UKA!
    Permits were actually introduced by the AAA during its formative years in the 1880's as a means of preventing other associations from organising athletic meetings. Athletes who participated in events that did not have an AAA permit could be banned from future AAA events.
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    Re: Permits and Insurance

    Quote Originally Posted by MargC View Post
    To the best of my knowledge neither SHR nor WFRA provide Permits.
    I should have said insurance.

    Neither SHR or WFRA can provide insurance cover to event organisers who are not members of their associations.

    It does raise the interesing subject that the cheapest way of obtaining insurance cover is to become a member of one of these associations.
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